help with analog setup

[bull07]

I'm going on tour in a week, and I really want to use an all analog setup. I have this machine called Fotovix, wich is basically a small video camcorder pointing down at a tiny light table. You plug this into a tv and whatever you put on the light table shows up on the screen. I've used this live once and it's really a big thrill because your doing it live with your hands as the band plays.

The problem is that it looks too smooth and real-life. Last time I output the fotovix to a small monitor and filmed this off with a dv-cam using slow shutter speed, outputting this again to the video projector.

So my question is: does some box exist wich can take a video signal, put on a slow shutter effect, and output the signal to a video projector. I know there's software wich can do this, but then I'd have to use crappier resolution, wich is no fun.

[brain]

hey bull,

i don't know any slow shutter devices besides dv-cameras and big mixers, but a good way to make things look weird is to feedback sources. if you have any mixer at hand, try several ways to wire up things with each other...

fuck up the signals and the result may be amazing. why not point your fotofix on a monitor and use this instead of the light table? if you're lucky, you get feedback which you can trigger and influence with lights or your simply your hands

good luck, anyone experimentin' with weird hardware is on my side!

please post a review of your cute fotofix at vjcentral. it sounds similar to the obcsure panasonic WJ-S1.

brain

[LEVLHED]

the rebelle doesn't do a shutter-effect, but it IS all analog...see related threads here for more info or (if you're brave) peep into www.rebelle.restate.org (yes, its supposed to do that)

otherwise, do as suggested and start-up somekind of video feedback loop setup for analog crazyness...

[eXhale]

correct rebelle link is without the www, http://rebelle.restate.org

[LEVLHED]

oops! thanks eX!

[burstingfist]

Jesus Christ!, I struggle daily trying to get things more real time, and this guy is trying to make things less real time! I guess it just goes to show that you can never really win...

[ToddGraft]

I have this machine called Fotovix, wich is basically a small video camcorder pointing down at a tiny light table. You plug this into a tv and whatever you put on the light table shows up on the screen. I've used this live once and it's really a big thrill because your doing it live with your hands as the band plays

really interested in what you are doing on this lightbox with your hands, some sort of hand puppetry, writing text, stop frame animation.
I know there is similar equipment in photgraphy for straight printing of a 3d object.

[bull07]

Thanks people for all the answers! Here (hopefully) you can see what this machine looks like. Mine is a little bit less fancy though. Whats so cool about it is that whatever you put underneath it's lens, it looks good; in an analoge, warm and lo-fi way. On the side of it you have a joystick wich controls color, you can switch between negative and positive, and zoom in an out. And thats it. The light table is quite small (4 x 4 cm) , so whatever you choose to put on it has to be not much bigger than that.

To the left on the attachment there's a fork with some tape on it to give you the general vibe of the estethics, this is one of the things I've used in conserts.

I'm beginning to realise that I'll have to invest in a mixer with strobe effect, that seems to be the most obvious solution. Anyone knows about a good, cheap mixer?

[ToddGraft]

Ah its an east european copy of a Bowen's Illumitron, used for slide duplication. You could use live lab specimins on that or try running 16mm film loops layered and at different rates.

[LEVLHED]

hey, whats a booger look like on that thing?