The overall importance of the VJ presence.

[julez]

hmm point taken little catalyst

even though i gotta say that i do go to parties without visuals, sometimes there's a dj i love, or some really great people are throwing a party and i want to be with my friends, regarless of visuals.... and you knwo what? when i am not stressing about a set, or watching the other vjs and looking at what they're doing, it's fun, not work, and having fun is still supposedto be a part of it

yeah im not saying that i dont go to clubs without visuals, a lot of the clubs here dont have visuals. i just believe that visuals do make the enviroment so much better.

[akira_k]

Hmm... I do think the punters don't pay but a little attention to the visuals. Sometimes what goes on in the screen flips them and they trip with it (also depends on what kind of narcotics run in their blood ), but the attention they pay to it is limited, they soon wander in the depths of their drug-induced trippy trippy.

However I think this will change. I already notice more people paying attention to the visuals for longer times than before. While performing with mates I take my time to sneak into the middle of the crowd and observe the audience. I see an increase in visuals awareness and thsi is only good.

Of course if the visuals are shite (read: videotaped winamp vis plugin crap), the people never wants to see the screen/s again.

I also notice a big fight with illuminators. Those bastards think they are kings of the cabin and always fuck up my screen pointing heavy lights at it... Grr I hate them :P

[famouswhendead]

Originally posted by kiken
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Of course if the visuals are shite (read: videotaped winamp vis plugin crap), the people never wants to see the screen/s again.

I also notice a big fight with illuminators. Those bastards think they are kings of the cabin and always fuck up my screen pointing heavy lights at it... Grr I hate them :P [/B]

You don't talk to lightech at the start of the event how to run the eve visually?
We normally have an agreement for tnight when to do a blackout when just running vid and when just strobes. Talk to them...

[labmeta]

i think some of the issues of visuals not being the most important element of a clubnight is inherant in its passive nature. The whole idea of the gaze.

The viewer can gaze at the pictures on the screen but they interact on a mental level. unlike music where they interact with it in the form of dancing.

Something that sometimes crosses my mind is that people who dont like dancing seem happier to engage with the screen.

The screen being a focus can happen but imagine a party where everyone is engaging with imagery on an internal and mental level.
=bad party, or not a party atall

so its a question of audience - at an event where dancing is not the norm visuals have an inherently higher place.

Even if people do engage with visuals on a club night the only physical clue is if you catch them looking at a screen, ulike the display of the body in motion to the beat.

There are differnt approaches to these issues.

perhaps we should continue to devise visuals that engage with the motion and expression of dancing and the social aspects of an event, perhaps we need to find different events where we are as important as it sounds some of us want to be......