Sketchy J "world" premiere Agenda Suicide

[Amukidi]

i'm a geek soo i tought that was funny too...

Yeah, so did I, when I first heard it .....30 odd years ago..
I was rather hoping that you'd put forward an argument to counter what I've just spouted, you know, like " I disagree with this point because....." - I've made some concrete points about specific aspects of this work, no come on, Karl and Asterix, let's hear your side of the coin. Tell us why you think I'm wrong, or why you think it is "ahead" of its time.

[karl]

Originally Posted by Amukidi

no come on, Karl and Asterix, let's hear your side of the coin. Tell us why you think I'm wrong, or why you think it is "ahead" of its time.

as i said, i haven't seen anything of him except his ramblings here at the forums and his myspace.com blog.

why did i like jasons blog:

first of all, it breaks all the rules of good HTML design, its not XHTML valid, it fucks up in different browsers and its full of adds aund mumbling i don't understand.

then it is shamelessly selfcentered as any good homepage should be, and it goes all the way, i don't know but i like the liberacees of the world

further on it breaks all moral values, with adding for meth and junkie underground juvinile behavour, i just wish jason goes futher with sex and drugs, it allways a winner for me

and lastly i find if funny in the way supergreg.com was in the ol'd days before everybody was into attention whoring on the internet in their blogs, hey i got a blog too, and its all about me and the stuff i like: http://lamers.tv/ go there and come back here later and post angry articles about how stupid and lame i am.

[karl]

Originally Posted by Amukidi

Yeah, so did I, when I first heard it .....30 odd years ago..

we can't all be in you know, it took some while but after time i have started accept and appreciate that im hopelessly unhip and out of all trends and rules

i have stopped to wear clothes to "express my self" too, now i get those that are on sale

scetchy is imo very in love with pr, whats wrong with that? people are cueing up infront of stupid realityshows to take part of the media explotiation of the self this century uniquely offers

[Amukidi]

I was actually talking about his video work!

But as you brought it up:

first of all, it breaks all the rules of good HTML design, its not XHTML valid, it fucks up in different browsers and its full of adds aund mumbling i don't understand.

The site is like it is because it's a myspace site, they're ALL like that, ads and all.

further on it breaks all moral values, with adding for meth and junkie underground juvinile behavour, i just wish jason goes futher with sex and drugs, it allways a winner for me

No it doesn't, it would only be doing this if his target audiece were middle aged, middle class people in boring office jobs and golf clubs. His rhetoric simply panders to his readers.

[sketchyj]

woo hoo, wait, you forgot to throw in the mighty morphin power ranger dig. Why do I wear that helmet? hmm...several reasons, the first of which is practical. When I gig I like to be accessible to the crowd, and most of them all want a turn dancing with sketchy J, if for no other reason than to see themselves projected on the screens from the helmet cam as if it were times square. Second of all, it discourages dipshit losers from trying to hold a conversation with me while i am VJing, because it's impossible unless I choose to lift the helmet. Thirdly, if some frat boy decides to come up and disrespect the act, I can and have shot one of the 4 flame cannons built in right at his head and this so far has worked successfully in getting them to back away without hesitation. Fourth, the audience cannot see my worried looks and furrowed brow when I have hardware/software problems as I always do several times a gig, nor can they see or hear me mutter "FUCK!" at Arkaos. The art, well, I don't know if it's art that is for the world to decide. I do know however, that the image of the mask has become much of the focal point of my 3D art/promotional gimmick and as my content library of original music videos continues to grow, it is likely that someone somewhere will remember who I am, regardless of whether or not they went to the club I worked at. Finally, jimmyogenic, please stop stalking me and if I see you hanging around my yard I am calling the cops again.

[DrEskaton]

Originally Posted by sketchyj

Why do I wear that helmet?

it worked for GWAR, so why not?

http://www.gwar.net

[Amukidi]

I don't know if it's art that is for the world to decide.

Well I'm relieved to see that you accept this, maybe just give them a chance to comment without jumping on anyone who dissents. And why shouldn't "some frat boy" have the right to criticize your act? He is, after all, one of your paying audience, so pointing a laser into his face might be construed as over-reacting?

[holly]

Amukidi, I'm not going to disagree with what you say, but you are (i believe) over 50yrs old (sorry if I'm wrong on that point, maybe i confuse you with another's confession of age), but Sketchy is barely half that age. He can't be held responsible for repeating a "style" that happened before he was born (you said something about 30yrs ago, sorry too lazy to go back and quote). You say that (art) history is a chain of styles and ideas (i paraphrase) from the past to the present, but it seems a bit impossible to simply insert yourself into that chain at the present point without having any first-hand experience (personal development) of the attitudes and influences that came before....

Everyone (probably) goes through a retro phase, partially because they relate to a specific earlier time that seems (in hindsight) to exemplify an attitude (style) that we relate to at that point in our lives. But another reason is that zeitgeists occure when they occure for whatever reasons. Are we expected to discard all our thoughts and philosophies simply because someone else thought and felt it before? You can't say that all "teenage FU middlefinger" must stop because the late 70's punk era is over.... That's unfair to the actual teenagers who need to express the middlefinger. I am speaking largely metaphorically so I hope you give me some leeway with my words. Attempting to insert personal creativity in the current link with no experience (notice that experiment and experience have the same root) of previous styles means you are just imitating without understanding. That is the most hideous (f)Art of all!

In my early 20s I went through the whole herbal-witchypoo movement that was popular at the time. Yes it was retro and unoriginal, but I feel it did enrich me at least a little in my knowledge of counter-culture religion and Romantic Age aesthetics -- the Romantic Age being itself a retro-phase in pop-culture (reaction against industrialization).... bla-dee-bla-dee-bla. I didn't run around trying to bless everyone with faery wands, but i did research some old (not-so) secret societies and their ideas of science/magic/mind control over environment/others, etc. research that gives me perspective today. My point (and i think i have one) is that i didn't try to create an artistic career around this one period in my life, and even you (amukidi) say that an artist is a student all his life. It is unfair (i'd venture to say short-sighted) to insist that every creative effort compete with the current standard of "high art". In that vein, why ever eat if it is not a four-star gormet meal, why ever say something funny if it does not triumph over past-day wits like Oscar Wilde, why have a child if it will not be a prodogy, indeed why live at all if it will not compare to the exciting and influencial lives of Christ, Buddah, and Elenore Rooseveldt?

Karl is saying that art is personal, both to the artist and the viewer, and therefore in the eye of the beholder (nitche marketing maybe?). You seem to be saying that art is irrelevant if it is not the best and current -- at the very least tidily coded -- not that I totally disagree with that.... Surely that is the jaded view of an older individual who has seen much and would rather now only experience the best in life. Valid, but no less personal a view.

But i'm obviously a bore in a thread that thinks "asswipe" is a legitimate critical statement. Karl thinks Skethy's work is refreshing. I tend to think it is perhaps not redefining the queercore version of the teenage middlefinger, but it is a refreshing change from soulless impersonal squares, lines, and architecture visually accompanying glitch-tech noiz muzak which is as refreshing as a skipping cd.... Again a personal point of view. Sometimes art isn't meant to be over-analyzed, not because it can't withstand the scrutiny, but simply because it was never intended to be.

Anyway, all this asswiping sound like boring old-fashioned retro-era homophobia so big yawn to peeps who logon under false names (post #1, i'm so sure!) to boost their support and hypocritically claim this particular public post is passe. WHO needs the mask???

[karl]

Originally Posted by holly

it is perhaps not redefining the queercore version of the teenage middlefinger

wow, Queencore Teenage Middle Finger

thats my problem i was always like "what is this jason up to"? and now i know; Queencore Teenage Middle Finger, i'm so unhip that i didn't even know this was old and tired genre

[karl]

Originally Posted by holly

i did research some old (not-so) secret societies and their ideas of science/magic/mind control over environment/others, etc. research that gives me perspective today.

Holly, do you have any pets?