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24th July 2005, 11:14 AM
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Most VJs are rubbish.
Does anyone else think this or is it just me?
What I'm talking about is not technical knowledge or ability to work software/hardware but the fact most VJs in the end project a load of rubbish. I've seen VJ teams with thousands of pounds of gear projecting crap shapes or cliched samples when I'd rather watch one guy with Resolume on one laptop as long as his visuals were considered and quality (not that big teams can't be good, you get the point). Can't help being critical about this coming from a visual arts background and I'm not trying to be arrogant, after all this is fairly anonymous, but don't you think there are a load of bluffers devoid of any artistic/design talent out there with 'all the gear but no idea'? I'd say less than 1in5 VJ acts I've seen impress me. I'm not talking about beginners either, I think there's a noticable difference between a beginner with potential and a bullshi**er. What do people think? 
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#2
24th July 2005, 11:54 AM
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Same thing can be applied to most of the posts here, dee jays, and movies that came out this year. It?s all opinion.
I would love to see your work. Welcome to the community. 
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#3
24th July 2005, 12:00 PM
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i think thats pretty bold for a first post (or quite ball-less if u cant let er know who u really are).
and as trying usually implies failure: you do come off as arrogant .....went to art school too,? oh my you must be god, after all-- every little pisher with a BFA is soo touched with genius... that's art school arrogance for you do you just crit, or can you do also? ((cant blloody wait to see your feces d'artist)) and yeah even if 1 in 5 is shite, remeber you aint at an art gallery... youre in a club, its supposed to be fun first and the rest will come.... mabe there are cliches and lamo stuff, but there are also many moments and you dont get to see them when youre busy looking down your nose (you want f-art? go to video at galleries only. stay away from the clubs...... kyle's right, most cars suck, most movies dont make it to theatres.. most pop music?? (or most house, techno...) most painters will never exhibit, most people are ___________, moswt most mostb [puke] who gives a shit about most?? y not focus on what rocks? y not look at that top 5% of work? y not worry about what u do?
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#4
24th July 2005, 12:43 PM
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Re: Most VJs are rubbish.
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but i'm not agreed with the title of his thread littlecatalyst: be nice, this guy is right... some gig are so borrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnng... specially the laser shows with some 6h of typo-still images, such as "Live", "eat", "dance"... blabla... continuityB: business is business... Can you show us what you do ?
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#5
24th July 2005, 01:20 PM
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1 in 5
Hi Continuity,
That's a pretty bold claim to make on a VJ forum! good luck to you. Was a bit thrown back to realise that you're based in Glasgow too. Since you mention the Glasgow Art school in your profile, I guess it's quite likely that you've seen our stuff and there's a good probability that we're part of the 4 out of 5 too, but, i don't really want to know as I don't really care if people don't dig our stuff or not. Having said that, I think you've got a few valid points: -So many posts on the forums seem to be dedicated on how to "raise the profile" of the VJs on a professional level that we can all witness that the "scene" is already attracting a lot of egomaniacs that care more about their own interest than whether they are actually bringing something interesting to the party. If only "VJ" didn't sound like "DJ"... I think it's fair to say that we can expect more of that kind of attitude in the future. -VJs seem to be self-absorbed and very elitist about the practice, focusing mainly about content mixing and delivery. As a result it seems that both animators/ content producers on one side, and the visual display designers/ lighting designers/ rental companies on the other side don't seem interested in what we've got to say. We desesperately need the support of those guys to move to the next level. If VJs were more inclusive about their practice we could get rid of the cliche-vj thing which is starting to be a real plague. However Vjs are artists in their own right (even though I don't think the definition of the VJ practice is precise enough yet), the Arts Council are lapping up this new buzzword more than anybody else so there is absolutely no point trying to start an Art vs Club war. come on! we're lucky enough to have one of the most laid back art scene on the planet here in Glasgow (it is reasonably wanker-free compared to most places if you ask me) so let's not even go there. Are you going to show us your stuff then? respect to the no-superstar-vj attitude. dav www.pointlesscreations.co.uk
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#8
24th July 2005, 02:08 PM
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the current flood of interest in VJ'ing will bring all sorts to the market.
some promoters are rubbish, and the clubs they promote are rubbish so they probably won't mind booking rubbish vj's will they? seriously some promoters are perfectly happy with generic winamp swirlies, trance tunnels and plastic 3d. i've also noticed a new trend in "over designed vj'ing", talented designers with very pretty layouts and abstract shapes but no emotional or symbolic appeal at all. fusing design with music in realtime and still having a narrative or at least some common thread is hard. people are still learning how to do it, but I've seen some good examples recently. if 4 out of 5 VJ's are rubbish then the good ones will stand out and get more and more bookings won't they? still eagerly awaiting a link to your visuals continuity b.
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#10
24th July 2005, 04:04 PM
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I see your point of view, i don't want to sound a superstar but only with a laptop i do better vjing and sound interaction, than some collective vj's that have lots of gear and stuff...just my opinion
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