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[vjpixylight]

Re mazzo: I VJ'ed with Captain Video(Kees and Rob) on their monthly there..
I think it was a thursday nite...

Yea, I have to agree with Prime on all of that...The more motivated VJ's will shine above the rest...It is all how hard are you willing to work to get there, and how much time you really want to devote to it...
The art snobbery should be left outta the mix, or else we'll end up becoming stuffy video art politicians... I am not about making VJing into a pissing contest...

[LEVLHED]

OK, so now that it seems ***** has (once again) made his value judgement on the whole copyright issue perfectly clear, maybe we can get back to actually answering the question?

I started out using no original content, as most VJs do...then managed to get enough original stuff together to contribute to the CDR exchange, which got me a TON of other VJs material that I had permission to use...now I'm almost to the point where I use all original stuff...

the real-world atmoshpere of the copyright issues for VJs is:
-in a live performance, anything goes...(issues of taste/tact aside)
-if you distribute a DVD/VHS as a product or something similar, you damn well better own it..

[Primebase3]

that's cool if you wanna do that I don't like the idea of someone else mixing with my hard work! it's the question again : is a vj someone that mixes his own content or is he buying records. to each his own , but if you made something and you have a residency at a venue , you swapped cdr on the exchange and somebody else goes under your price with your 48 hour render footage at the same venue? that's evil man! and you can go with your "trust your fellow man" but trust and downright handing out footage like santa is crazy! never gonna and never will just my opinion. not in holland anyway ^^ I like the idea of records/dvds though if you buy a dvd for 40 euro and a agreed statement which state that you can't undermine the workplaces of the supplier/vj ? which is also legally hard to control. I know I know it's all business with me but it's an art as well : van gogh bought a picture of picasso and a few years later it's famous under van gogh's name...picasso would scratch his ears..both


peace

[eXhale]

The discussion on "what is a VJ" lasted long enough *****, it has been closed and will not restart here. As I already made it quite clear on that other thread, this forum is for anyone who project visuals on or with music, period.

[LEVLHED]

*****, you ARE plainly passing judgment.....you're also turning this thread into another one of your rediculous elitist/egotistic soap-boxes...been there/done that...I think we've all had enough of it, obviously except for you...you've now made it impossible for anyone to post here without fear of being "a thieving bastard" who you've alluded to being deserving of a shotgun down the throat...really nice, man...way to foster healthy debate and conversation.

Your "debates" are anything but....and your definition of "VJ" is completely different than everyone elses... WE'VE HEARD IT ALL FROM YOU BEFORE. Anyone who hasn't just needs to look for the only closed thread on the forum....

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by Primebase3
I know I know it's all business with me but it's an art as well : van gogh bought a picture of picasso and a few years later it's famous under van gogh's name...picasso would scratch his ears..both


peace

Pablo also recognized that business and art do not go together..



"The people who make art their business are mostly imposters".
-Pablo Picasso

[will]

you know how hip hop dj's battle it out, well has vj'ing reached that level cos i can see a battle here, would be pretty mental

[apu]

Yes i have to admit it, i am a theiving bastard. damn that shotgun blast was close to hitting me and the gun oil tastes like shit too.

Being a rank amateur I have to start somewhere. But I dont want to be a thieving bastard all my life. Thats why i walk around like a nerd/tourist with my dv cam everywhere i go so i can build my own stockpile of material.

In the meantime I watch and learn from others and sometimes take a bit of footage from tv/dvd/video/net to use, and hopefully oneday make the transition to the level of a demigod like ***** so we can all be rich enough to pay our way and be 100% legit.

Just as a matter of interest. how much do you have to pay for a minute of legit star wars footage? can the lowly vj wannbes afford to attempt to transition to legit footage?

My first ever set was 75% made from (non vj) footage i "scored" off the net, the other 25% was my own logo and text shit. I would never use another vj's work. That is lame. My next one hopefully will be 50% legit and hopefully the next one will be even more and so on and so on.

I think if you are underground as such, then anything goes to an extent. But if you are going to go big and professional then you better have your shit together or you could end up in a nasty court trial or even worse. Death by choking on a shotgun........

[vjpixylight]

....OKAY, the Pablo quote is only referenced(again nothing personal) to say that when ever business does get involved with art, then business is what dirties it..
Again, I fairly well agree with Prime and the others about wanting to protect what is there own...Noo Problem....If VJ material is traded, and played out by another VJ that didn't make it, it's not the end of the world...
Most major VJ sites on the internet do condone this...Just look at
http://www.audiovisualizers.com with their loop trading service,
and http://www.electronica-optica.com with downloadable loops made available to play out...
Even Resolume has a great database of links for sites freely putting up video archives...

*****,
I can understand that this is important to you, and probably your income as well. So you feel threatened by what you percieve as theives, taking others ppl's work, and making money with it (it isn't that easy)...It is natural to feel embattled over it. Funny thing how this business climate works..usery is a vicious cycle, and it is how our capitalistic/business world works....being proprietary means, always wanting to control and manipulate the system with rules and laws, to keep what you have...(and then some) They do it by getting lawyers to do there dirty work, and eliminating competition..
Someday you will want to pass on what you know and have learned to others, but you will be so tied up in the legallities of it all, that you won't know who to trust...

I think best, to just agree to disagree on this issue, and let bygones be bygones...

[vjpixylight]

VJC is also a place where 90% of the VJ's aren't making a living Vjing, so don't treat them like dirt, unless your wanting it in your face...

If being professional means you gotta have an attitude like yours, well then I just have to say, "steer me clear of that iceberg, Martha".

-Jymn