Happy days...

[Kriel]

Just curious ... do we all just happen to be sitting around the globe in our studios rendering video at the same time?

[KillingFrenzy]

I think having access to public archives via the internet is a great way to start figuring out this whole mess of licensing our clips so we can play legal. The fact that the BBC is releasing to the public is a step in that direction. Obviously, you can buy rights now, but the process and terms are not very reasonable for doing a Thursday night gig at a local pub. Being able to purchase segments/clips online would open up the world of rights management to nickel and dime users instead of slamming the door in their face whenever they ask the question.
I think online archives are a big step in the right direction, and I'm glad the BBC aren't such vindictive scaredy-cats as the big corporations (at least in this case.)

[Rovastar]

A reply to Kreils post about 10 minutes ago which is about 10 posts in this crazy thread.

I still do not see it happening all that readily.

Have you seen that DVD's?

How can small groundbreaking label afford to make DVD's (with visauls).

I really don't see it.

Real world example.

A years and a half ago I email many small indy record label with a night my friend was running mostly chilled stuff and asked for any sort of visuals, video clips, pics, etc, etc.

Now I know he did have a name for himself but there was hardly any interest from 50 emails. The (very few) ones that I had some dialogue with and they at first didn't understand what I meant.

I just wanted to promote the label, artists, etc. jpegs, movie clips of the artist, etc, etc I didn't want to be paid for them to do this priviledge.

When they eventually understood.

The new fatboy slim sigle might/will have a video to go with it but is this what DJ's really want to play. I meant big srtists in any sector not all teh small ones.

You find me a DJ that will only play music (and that includs all the seperate mixers) that has video attached to them. There honestly isn't really all that many. ANd to got them on promo.

Normally from my understanding a video get made only when the promo has had success in teh clubs, etc. Unless they are very big acts where they are confident they can spend they money as they will get that return in sales.

Like I said 90 odd % of new music in 'single' form that DJ's get in promo is still on vinyl only mostly. I really do not see where the budget is for the new artists to produce music videos.

True the DJ's may prefer CD's. But the market place is not letting them use them properly even now.

The future may be bright but it is not orange more a hazy grey.

The question was general but I did think of you as a more 'mainstream'. NOthing to do with style just exposure.

I imagine no VJ will admit to being mainstream.

[unjulation]

I think having access to public archives via the internet is a great way to start figuring out this whole mess of licensing our clips so we can play legal

reckon what might happen is that because more people will have acsess to this kinda of footage it will then get used, fine by me, and as V.J.'ing, per-say is becomeing more prominante, then surley it will filiter into the awarnes of the mony people who own this the copyright which in tern will bring it to the for and there will be test case's , what the outcome of those will be i realy dont know, pesamisticly i would think the mony men will win win ala napster etc, but wether that will actualy stop the parctice is anouther thing entily

[wellREDman]

Originally posted by mondo
[Bi want to learn about the v4, the enhancer, the hippotizer, the dvd scratch player, new bits of kit and software......what's the best way of doing this then?
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come to AVitUK then,

we should have all of the above (except the poineer unit which still doesnt officially exist) for ppl to play with, as well as demos and workshops in how to use em

[holly]

Zoooom!

Remember when we were all astonished that the web seemed to offer everything for free? From porn to software to information..., the web was all new and all free. Those companies that wanted to find profit there found it was paper-profit only. Some fell back on the old television standard: profit through advertising, and some found a little success, and most have folded up shop.

In VJing over the last two years we saw almost a new app every month, but now this is starting to slowdown. Use to be a visualizer was $400 (anyone remember Onadime?) now it's generally free. Bedroom VJs are getting better and I've heard from more than a few Old Skoolers that they can't make it in the new VJ scene. When was the last "new" vj app released? No, I mean really new, not VDMX3.x or Arkaos3.x or MD Tokyo (I guess it's unfashionable to count to 4). The apps that were released 2 years ago work even better now on faster computers, why replace software if it works? The new market is in hardware where products didn't exist before. V-4, scratch DVDs, etc. Things are changing, evolve or die.

With the BBC releasing their archive for free, as opposed to the record industry trying to squeeze harder, we see two different approaches to the new times. The BBC has been sitting on a huge (largely valueless) archive of footage. My guess is someone in charge of BBC decided it was time to transfer everything to a digital archive and it's a simple matter of making that archive publicly available. I know CNN, ABC, and most of the American netwroks already have an in-house digital archive so affiliates can grab footage from the server and process them in minutes rather than days of paperwork and crusty old vaults of crumbling videotapes. Here in the States there's been such success re-releasing old content from a generation ago. Once again, if it works better today why bother with an update? Just show the same old stuff to a new audience and save millions. I saw Scooby-Doo on television yesterday (not on cable, but one of the main networks) and it wasn't some stoopid Scooby-Doo 2000 remake, but simply the classic: still funny.

The record industry is sitting on an enormous archive and yet they've refused to go digital or embrace the download revolution. Why? Imagine what could be purchased for a dollar a song that simply isn't out there on Kazaa or Napster.... All our obscure jazz collections could be complete. What is the value of holding on to rotting master tapes when the real money is still made in cross-promotions and silly media campaigns. What about that Elvis song, and how many potential number one hits are just lying in a stack in a refridgerated basement?

Waiting for the music industry to set the tone for the future is just nowhere. They are working on a half-century-old paradigm and they refuse to admit that their 30% drop in sales hasn't come from MP3s but from their cousins in the DVD department. People only have so much entertainment dollar to spend and it ain't going to the same old crappy radio tunes, it's going to flesh out an ever growing home theater and DVD collection.

Video will eat music, not the otherway around.

[Kriel]

Originally posted by Rovastar
You find me a DJ that will only play music (and that includs all the seperate mixers) that has video attached to them. There honestly isn't really all that many. ANd to got them on promo.

The question was general but I did think of you as a more 'mainstream'. NOthing to do with style just exposure.

I imagine no VJ will admit to being mainstream.

About the DJs, I think again what's being forgotten here is that House and its permutations are not the only kinds of club music. Hip-Hop and R&B almost always have videos -- and even if you have a great remix, there's still an associated video from the source mix. Mash-ups/Bootlegs have associated videos, and there are plenty of nights that play this exclusively.

Regarding mainstream, I'm not sure how the question works with this discussion, but I don't think there ARE any mainstream VJs. We're a niche within the niche of club music. However, I do believe this will change, but it will change as VJing evolves into something vastly different than it is now. Just look how different DJing is now from what it was in the 70s, when DJs used to trot out the Top 40 for the kids.

Things changed for a lot of reasons, not the least of which were advances in technology and style. Direct-drive instant-start pitchable turntables, DJ mixers (as opposed to broadcast desks). And records with steady BPM (who'd've thought House music would become an international industry?).

[minimalniemand]

any news about this?