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16th February 2009, 04:58 PM
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Kinda broad question, lots of different things to factor in,
Does the club provide any logos or animation? Is it 3D, video, flash, illustrations...? Get as much as you can. Gig + custom content + studio time. 
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16th February 2009, 10:26 PM
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Work out your hourly/day rate for production and estimate how long it's going to take, including time spent doing preparatory work and proposals.
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17th February 2009, 12:17 PM
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thanks guys
thanks to kyle and mowgli
i'll try to implement this within the cost's but i could shot myself in the foot with charging a really big amount for this i think i will go down the path of seeing what they offer in general than i should piss myself with laughter at what they offer
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#7
17th February 2009, 12:25 PM
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If you think that their budget will be really tight ask for it before giving them a quote. Then do a proposal that fits their budget, this should be a really basic solution if the budget is small ie work out your day/hourly rate and come up with a solution that will take that amount of time to complete. Then explain what they could have if they stretched their budget further. Make sure they see a clear link between how much they pay, how long it takes to produce and how much better the bigger budget solution will be.
Last edited by mowgli; 17th February 2009 at 12:28 PM.
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17th February 2009, 04:00 PM
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I charge by the day for custom work and by the loop for additional content. £200+ per day depending on what you think your worth, I think I'm worth more than that needless to say! But thats a good starting point In fact I cant rememeber where I got this from but its from an arts funding/ creative business kind of site, see below* And I charge at LEAST £20 per loop (all original) unless they're getting a lot of them, which is why you don't see my work on VJ loops sites, I think they set the benchmark way too low, I looked to getty/artbeats myself... Once you give a loop a away or sell it, it becomes devalued to your set, although they can be seen as promotional material, ie people know what your work looks like, but I get most of my work via word of mouth and industry reputation rather than other vj's booking me! As a example of overselling and doing a favour I was working at a company recently where the sales guy gave the client the shpeal, said yes we can do this and that and the other, then gave a quote £1million for the installation, guys jaw hit the floor, when they bargained it down to 100,000 he was please as anything for getting such a good deal.... Now obviously clubs are small budgets than this (well except God$ kitch€n etc) but you get the picture. Personally I'm a shite salesman, I wish there was someone you could employ just for bullshit clients, they would be welcome to their 20%! And probably worth every penny, maybe I should make friends with a salesman... Anyway read the last paragraph, as thats the clincher! * quote from unknown source below! <=======> One question comes up time and time again when discussing freelancing: ‘How much should I charge?’ It is a difficult one and is affected by many factors; your experience, competitors rates, overheads, etc. It is also something that you will need to constantly monitor, as you gain more experience and skills your hourly rate should reflect this. Firstly do some research, there are many websites out there advertising freelance jobs and also many where you can create a profile to sell your services. Creative Pool (a jobs feed for which will be on MTB soon) and View Creatives amongst the most popular. Bookmark recruitment agency websites (many of them will deal in freelance and permanent positions) and see what payment level they advertise at (i.e. entry-level or senior management?). From here you will be able to assess how much other freelancers with similar skill sets or experience to yourself, charge. I recently came across an interesting formula for working out hourly rates that may be of use – although I would stress the importance of checking out your competitors’ rates first. To start off decide a realistic target of how much you are looking to earn in a year. This should at least match your previous employment income. For example, say you are looking to earn at least £20,000 p.a. If you worked this out as an hourly rate for a 35 hour week over 52 weeks you would get just under £11 an hour. However it is very unlikely you will be doing paid work 7 hours a day, 5 days a week. A great deal of your time will be taken up with job hunting, paperwork, chasing clients and other activities that you cannot charge for. Some weeks you may be doing paid work for 50 hours plus, others you may get nothing at all. It’s best to envision that you will hopefully be doing paid work for about 21 hours (3 days) a week. So in our example you would therefore look to charge about £18 per hour. If you average less than 21 hours paid work you should have enough to get by and if you do more you will be earning more than your previous job. This may sound high or cheeky but remember, as a freelancer you do not get paid holiday or sick days. Also your clients will not have the expensive costs of dealing with your national insurance, pension schemes, training and other HR issues that follow on from hiring a full-time employee. If you charge by project rather than an hourly rate the same rules apply, give yourself an hourly rate and try to work out how long it will take you to complete the project. This can be difficult to judge but the more experience you get at it, the more accurate you will get. The current economic climate may have you contemplating knocked down pricing to make sure you get work in. Whilst this may keep you busy in the short-term, it will no doubt cause you problems further down the line when you try to start charging your full rate. I would only consider reducing my rate if the project is hefty or an on-going appointment. After all, when times are tight it’s better to get a months work at a slightly reduced rate than odd days here and there at your full rate. It can be a bit of a balancing act as pricing too high can put clients off, but pricing too low can be just as detrimental. You can guarantee that the clients who want you to work for next to nothing will be the ones you have to chase payment for months on end.
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17th February 2009, 08:02 PM
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Hardly been here,
Had fun sledging on bubble wrap in leeds the other week though! Supersonic is just started rolling I think, got my first mailout about it, so I'll be chatting to them again soon...
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