NEEDED - POOL OF VJ's

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by deepvisual

I'm working on a 3 minute cheapo video at the moment.
it is costing £12,000.00 + VAT

I've just finished working on a 30sec cinema advert which was about the same.

[I:PULSE]

Originally Posted by sjg707

Most of what you're watching there Ian is the SVM on it's own....no visuals on DVD. And you wonder why I say it will Jeopardise some club VJ's.

Admittedly I'm more interested in pushing an AV seen as that is the innevitable end game of where DJ'ing and VJ'ing lie as seen with the amount of equipment being developed and pushed for this purpose these past couple of years. There's just a huge lack of resource for people entering this scene. Not trying to get VJ's pushed out of there spots,

I know its mostly svm but it would'nt take me long to knock up visuals like that. A few flash anims with some nice effects synced up in vegas... and I'm poo at creating bold stuff

[SteveG]

Buy a CG8 .....it's quicker than anything I know for quick visuals.

[MrJustin]

Originally Posted by I:PULSE

I totally agree. I'm thinking more simplistic stylistic visuals that repsond audibly to the track.

How can something visual respond audibly?

I can see why you'd like to push this, Ian, but ti think you're more likely to find a better response for your idea from music producers/DJs/DVJs who want visuals for their tracks than from Vjs who want to make visuals fr a specific track. Not least because a) i like VJing and have no intention of painting myself into a corner and screwing myself over (imagine that literally for a moment, if you will!!) and b) to add to sleepy's point, even when the track's cleared and the video made, you'd probably still need to clear it with the audio artist, cos they might get pissed off if it wasnt what they wanted.

If you really want to do this, i would have thought itd be better to start from the DJ/DVJ side of things, help them make connections with visual artist they;s like to work with, and work that way round, if you see what i mean. I also think you're spreading yourself far too thin in the market if you allow any old track to have a video set to it... surely start with a single genre and corner that part of the market/scene first. Your'e going to need a LOT of tracks available that can be mixed together in this way before you reach critical mass and the venture starts taking off/catching on.

Good luck with it all if you choose to pursue it. [I ADDED A SMILEY HERE BUT THE FORUM WONT LET ME POST IT!]


BTW Sleepy can you merge the double post please or this is going to get confusing. Oh, and if yo can arrange the posts chronologically, that would be just dandy oke:

[sleepytom]

Generic visuals like this have no value though - you get them free with all the recent gear (CG8, SVM, Kaoss Pad etc) so why would anyone pay for a DVD of them? Plugging in a winamp visualizer is not hard...

A cheap music video used to cost £5000 now it is more like £500 - your trying to push this down to what? nothing at all afaik.

[I:PULSE]

[quote=MrJustin;178963]How can something visual respond audibly?
[quote]

Sorry I am dyslexic. Hence the need for creative outlet but you know what I mean by that "Visuals that respond to the audio".

Not looking for people to do full on music videos either...

Not looking for people to do "£12000 cheapo coorporate footage"...

Not trying to saturate the whole VJ'ing scene with generic footage or take away jobs from VJ's in clubs to give to anybody who owns a lappy.

My goal is just to some descent tracks with simple vibrant videos to DVJ users and VDJ or Serato plugin users who want to do some video stuff withought having to use commercial video and to also provide a backing for any AV artist with abit of spare time and originality who would normally put there vid mixes up for free anyway to focus on somthing that would bring them abit of cash (I'm under no dilusions that its gonna be huge amounts for any of the parties involved but I do think there is a big enough niche for it to be worthwhile).

[SteveG]

I've been trying to get the labels into this for some time Ian. Unfortunately this will have to be driven by the DJ's and the demand for the material imo.

[I:PULSE]

Originally Posted by sjg707

I've been trying to get the labels into this for some time Ian. Unfortunately this will have to be driven by the DJ's and the demand for the material imo.

From my own experience I know that labels can't for see any tangible gain from doing a music video i.e. it needs to get plays on commercial tv stations to recoup the royaltee and its a gamble as the vast majority of music channels are commercial so even electronic dance labels that have had success with tracks in a wider market still can't justify music vids...

What trying is much simpler all I need is the license to sell there music on what is to them yet another distribution point (Its there signature on a standard contract and in the fax for posibility of earning more rev, with no cost - no brainer really). On the flip to someone (VJ or AV) who likes the track who has allot of anims there already which wouldn't normally get used to knock up some visuals for the track (doesn't have to be a lengthy process at all, just be of a good quality, look vibrant and would work in a club and as the video gets promoted so does the VJ)

Not expecting any of the big guns on here to want to get involved just anyone who's got the time wants to create somthing or trying to get a name about and make abit of cash doing so

[SteveG]

Un-branded discs? Downloadable? How are you going to protect them....as it stands with music downloads their not allways licensed to play out anyway are they? You could be giving away a lot of potentially good VJ'ing material for free.

The type of track your talking about getting the license for....whats the projected sales figures per track?

On the down side of what you suggest even a basic disc will be a few hours planning and work for what could amount to very little in return perhaps nothing. The material you put up in the demo of the SVM is what the majority of DJ's will do, by adding a few .jpgs and effecting them with the music....It'll do for most you'll see. Only the big guns will continue to get their material custom made and only the good clubs and promoters will continue to employ VJ's.

[vjair]

whilst i support the idea, i think you need to look at how big (or should i say small) the dvj market is at the moment. it seems the only real way to succeed in this market is to target the mainstream music avenues, for which most tracks already have professionaly producred videos that people already associate with the tracks and would therefore probably rather see than some generic visualiser style flashings.