Dvj Traxs

[jmg13]

just a thought and a question

With the launch of the new performance hardware pioneers DVJ-X1, it would seem that there may a another income stream for vjs

DVJS Traxs sold on mix djvj dvds

(if vjs/dj/producers are producing dvds can be played in clubs and sold as mixed dvds...)

hey imagine that every time your vjloop or footage was played some royalties came in ...

or is there another way to look at this

[nommo]

Yes - there is another way...

I have mentioned before on here I think... we all need to start working with the Indy labels to produce low-cost music videos so that we can set up some kind of new compilation for distribution, either through people like promo only. There is plenty of space for an Indy based distributor too...

Selling the DVDs to clubs will work. Especially if the tracks are well selected. VPL is a revenue stream, but probably most effective for TV.

AVJs is already working to this end. Anyone else wanna play?

Nommo

[jmg13]

Hey,

I think I understand what you are saying,
extending a existing framework / format the music video and taking it somewhere else...

but I know that you have got to start somewhere I still find that making music videos that record companies still see them as a way to promote the music and their artist. "Fair enough" but from a vj pov I am trying to write vjtraxs [can't think of another term) like music and maybe give it a life beyond a gig.

So how do you generate income from this

, using an existing system like music points /royalties

Who monitors' this ?(collects the points and sends the cheque)

A record company?

Is it an agreement between you and the dj/producer ?

or set up a vj label (does one already exist ??)

[3YE]

set up VJ label and use it to push demo's at indy labels until they give in and start talking back, either buying trax, albums, compilations, or throwing briefs at us for tunes already in the pre-release stage (like normal music video) and then use that to secure collaboration work with acts and push our own people.

but unless you have access to lots of girls who aren't to fussy about things like clothing, you're going to need very strong content, or at least some kind of coherency which vj-ing generally lacks because it's generally more about raw art and spontanaiety IMHO

having said that, have you seen the video for 'strict machine' by goldfrapp? very VJ-like style, totally justifiable presence of a female and no discernible content. times are changing...

I think what I'm saying is that to do a music video you really need to strip down say a six month period of output to it's very best moments and purest content and edit them into a 3minute song. IF you get paid for it it will exceed the total spent far greater than just the rewards you get from vj-ing but its a big IF...

erm what was the question again?

oh yes, DVJ DVD output

sounds like a way of spanning available markets rather than creating anything new

or

really all vj-s should be doing this in an ideal world. sod a loop CD, gimme a disc i can watch at home, play in the club and sample for my own purposes if i want. but there are flaws in that, like a lot of VJ's won't use stuff if it's too popular or well done because of the 'life' of a product before it gets forgotten in favour of newer, sexier stuff. having said that if you sold a million of these DVD's in ASDA/WalMart your not really going to be worried about a small bunch of geeks (present company excepted :p )who think your stuffs too populist to be sampled

[nommo]

OK - the DVJ-X1s have arrived - and I am already wanting to play stuff on them that isn't available on DVD or doesn't even have a music video...

I got a card in the DVJ box which points to www.mixmash.com

I will probably order a couple of those, but really... where are all the complilations dvd's? (I sent them a mail with a few questions)

The problem is production budget...

My thoughts: If you can encourage the Artists to take their DV camera around with them, and you try and build up a nice stock of self-produced (or copyright free) content with lots of abstract and diverse themes, get creative with DV editing package - then it is possible to put something presentable together in 24 hours. Its only a 7 min track after all...

I am still working on the formula - but I think this could be an interesting angle to persue for VJs wanting to speculate beyond low payed live gigs...

(found the other thread here (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=4710&perpage=15&highlight=vpl&pagenumber=7))

[revjrbobdodds]

Have a look @ the current issue of DJ Mag. There is an article in the PLASA supplement called 'DVDs for DJs' which answers many of your questions.

[topherz]

Interesting thread!

jmg13, there are several VJ labels. Three that I know of:

http://www.eoptica.com/visuals/artists/lightrhythm/
http://www.lightrythmvisuals.com/

http://www.pixdisc.com/en/index.html

and SOURCE
http://www.dandelion.org/source/
which I am running with other members in the dandelion collective. I have been really interested in what is going to happen with the DVJ's and thinking along the lines that you started this thread with. Currently our DVD's are visuals only.
[small thread hijak: We are interested in releasing SOURCE disks from people outside of dandelion collective. So if you are a VJ with quality selfmade content that you are interested in distributing, please get in touch.]

Am interested in releasing titles with music, but we're not there now.

-topher