boyz vs girlz...vj battle ?

[oxygen]

I was just thinking what could be a nice thing to do on avit
is a vj battle boizz vs girlzz?

it could be interesting to see differences like mixing/choice of images/etc
on the same music.

[matthecat]

is this 1 on 1 boy / gurl vj battles or a group thing?? :D :up:

[funkcutter]

that may be a funny thing to do.... but only for the novelty of it...
i'd much rather compete as a person - not as a gender - but then again, maybe there are lots of things we can do differently... i found that the vj culture screening that vj anyone put together in september last year showed up the how little difference there was in the styles/material chosen by gurlz v boize.

i used to put on a night called femi9product, which was an all gurl drum&bass night - boize could play as long as they dressed in drag. then i got rid of the drag bit, as i thought that gimmick was undermining the music/visual importance... i think now i'd like to go back to that format.... i also included all music (except trance or hard house) not just limiting to drum&bass.

but the positive aspect of having a gurlz night was not to undermine male performers or to try say 'we're better than you' or anything - it was more to provide a forum where women could perform - and not feel like they were the novelty act - or just there to go on first(!) or just there cos they're wiv dere boyfriend - 'he's the dj - i go everywhere wiv 'im...'

on the subject of competition - we gurlz found that - for the most part - a group of women djs/vjs putting on a night had a healthy nurturing affect on the night's proceedings - we all bigged each other up, helped set up/derig, supported all the way from planning to the night itself... i find this very different from many other events that do not have a woman involved in the production. and performance wise - 'for the most part' the competition men have is so much more testosterone based and aggressively competitive that things can get nasty - bitchy even! how ironic!

male djs v male vjs - i find those of us involved in the visual arts - for the most part (again - i have to say this, as i do NOT want to stereotype anyone and get into some wrangle - like 'well I don't do it like that' etc - as i know how touchy some people can be on here, on line, without the winky smilies to help them through ;) hee hee) as i was saying - for the most part, vjs seem to be less antagonistic than djs - but as the art becomes more main stream (sad/not sad - u decide) and more in evidence this becomes less obvious.

i guess we're all on the look out for work and so the race is on....

phew - just realised that this was all in response to oxygen's lil gurlz v boize post! hope i haven't bored anyone silly!!
:o

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[kallisti]

that drag bit is hilarious tho'... i might have to steal that gimmick for a night...

[littlecatalyst]

i always wanted to see a East Vs. West Girlz Vs. Girlz show... seems that the bigger difference is between Eastern Euros and USA stylee when it came to the XX cvjomasomes, just my $0.02 on it, but i see a bigger difference there and it would be cool to have an event that is no-boyz at AVit

[charlielangridge]

After the response of my post a wile back, i think any diferentiation is prehaps not the best of ideas.

[oxygen]

what post are you talkin about, charlie?

all i can say is what's wrong with just having fun and doing something totally ridicilous?

littlecat: you're idea about east-west sounds interesting too.
but i didnt know/wasnt sure about only-girls event kinda thing. ..
but what funcutter is mentioning in her post:

"but the positive aspect of having a gurlz night was not to undermine male performers or to try say 'we're better than you' or anything - it was more to provide a forum where women could perform - "

as i was thinking why not doing both and make a battle of it.

i dont know. its just an idea. i never been at avit, or anything like it.
so I dont know what it is like.

[PeterRubin]

I really like the idea of an all girlz night at every AVIT event (and elsewhere as well). It keeps the boyz testosterone completely out of it (i.e. gender competition) and forces them to look at a completely different perspective for an entire night. A totally different and very healthy experience for the male gender IMHO. Also, it?s a great inspiration for generating incentive to get more females into the scene, and into stronger positions within the scene. In addition, I would suggest a panel discussion the day after the event, with the previous night?s performers on the panel, to talk about what happened and the differences in performance approaches.

PS: Ox, I haven?t forgotten about you. You?re one of the next on my list.
;^)

[jeremy]

:yep:

ha ! ha ! ha ! Love this one !
and next year... a baby VJ contest...

jeremy
www.AlexetJeremy.com

[bluntfaktory]

BOYS CRUSH girls :fridge: BOYS MASH..... DESTROY...... :flamethro

unless girls use evil powers ..... :lurker: :queenofhe :lurker2: .... then boys loose .:cry:

[holly]

Oh, I agree with Charlie. It's so much better when all the women just pretend to be men. That way there can't be any differences and no arguements.

It's a cute idea Oxy. Go with it!

[charlielangridge]

Originally posted by holly
Oh, I agree with Charlie. It's so much better when all the women just pretend to be men.

:( Not what i meant

[PeterRubin]

Has nothing to do with sexism. I just believe that an evening concentrated on women?s perspectives on life is different than a mixed evening or an all-male evening. Not better or worse. Just different. And would be a valuable and insightful experience. Yes, everyone is equal, but no one individual, male or female, has the same view on life. And women do approach life with different sensibilities than men. So I don?t think it?s outrageous at all to ask for such an event. Just because I?m a male speaking about the possible creation of a women?s program doesn?t make me sexist, nor does it make the program sexist. Nor does it imply in any way that women have to be separated from men in society. Nor does it imply that women have to have such evenings in order to express themselves. Nor does it imply, as Holly seems to think, that I hate women.
Quite the contrary.
That's why I suggested this.

[holly]

How about a gay vs hetero night?
:love2:

[rooster]

:whip: :yep:
way better idea
but it wouldnt work either. Vjs arse about too much at the best of times

[littlecatalyst]

all male VJnight?? um isn't that just about every other night? wasn't the mass jam all male? oh right you didnt go "Rooster" because youre banned from VJC (even though you threatened to come anyway) i forgot.

ignore the roosters calls of sexism, i dont think anyone rational who doesn't hate most other VJs would call you on that.

Rooster if you saw other VJs often enough you would knwo that theer is a difference in tyle and in content and it would be interesting to see a show like that (imo like i already said i think East vs. West will still have the most differences). Go file a complaint with the magestrate if you think that this is somehow sexism.... i'd love to see them laugh your soorry ass all the way to the curb. talk about bollocks! your just full of it aintcha?

will someone please take notice that this jroorjstero is the same jroorjstero that got banned last year??

[funkcutter]

fantastic!
looks like there's a lot of interest - good and bad - but as they say - "any publicity is...."

i have my sympathies with u rooster - agreeing that any sexism is a 'bad-ism' but unfortunately the female of the species will back me up in saying it's only to re-dress the balance. in performance availablilities that is - i'm never going to get on to the 'talent tip'.

about the gay v hetero - nice one holly - but as i'm batting for both teams i think i'd have an unfair advantage, as would several people i expect!
- i did think about this point when talking 'gurlz night' as i'm quite happy to take in any intersex people, cross dressers, pre/post op types - as long as they're willing and wanting to be playing on the 'female' side - and we can't even go down the XY v XX people route - cos what about all the XO, XYY, XYYYs and the rest? (alright - i may be going too far far some of yas - but i can't help my perversely PC attitude ;) - comes from my wonderfully mixed up background, kids, marriage, life - and i have to try include everyone - apologies)

east v west is a totally wicked idea!

i think maybe oxygen - if u can go for it - come over to the uk for AVIT - we get all the gurlies on side - and yes - you geezers too if you wanna get tarted up (and watch out ladieeez - as they out do us for style if you let em get a taste for it;) ha ha!) and we do this gurlz style mash up event hee hee femi9product rules!!!

lovin it loving it lovin it

[oxygen]

hey funkcutter!
yeas great!
i'd say lets go for it!!!
i am in london end march.
let me know, if u wanna meet up !

btw.:
whats next ...
send this proposal to avit???

[littlecatalyst]

i think your show will rock! when similar things are done here ((not to be sexsts but like you say funkcutter to balance out)) they usually get wommin djs as well as vjs the drag thing sounds like fun but will not really change the style/content quite as much

sorry but i think gay vs. straight is kinda stupid. we are not that evolved yet, stilll think that "will and grace" (gay bashing with a laughtrack) is PC. also, it is actually more embroiled in sexism than a gender bassed show, it gets into a messy area of orientation, and really is that anyones business when it comes to picking teams or to splitting hairs? i agree with funk maybe it oughta be GL vs. BTg (the popular two vs. the unpopular two) or maybe have three teams, like EyeWash battles, how about Butch L vs. Lipstick L vs. TwinkG vs. BearG and then let the Bi vs Transgender have the third battle, i think you were really "on the ball" (sorry, couldn't resist) with the first idea.....

it will be a pleasure to come to this event.
and by the way, i guess i should read names more clearly, i will never again think that you are FrankCutter...

[holly]

You DO have that funny issue with names Lil'Cat. Like I'm sure no one thought you were Lyle T. Catheter...:P :D Must be part of that Lysdexia thread.

Sounds like a hoot, Funk and Oxy. Do IT do IT! But I don't think it needs to be a battle per-se. That implies giving the boyz a chance. Just do the girl nite and no need to represent the mainstream (and yeah, I think checking under the skirt is in bad taste, as is counting X and Y's).

Got a friend here in town doing a G-nite for "she-jays" both audio+video once a month, and on only the second nite there was an "honorary" girl. Everyone forgot to raz him about it tho (despite the beard) because basically it was so nice just to be in the room full of women that we could take a few tokens and not blink. Fem party is called JEZABEL (http://www.multo.com/jezebel030804/jezebel030804.html) and it's a great scene.

Gay v Straight I don't think is so stupid because like Funkcutter's G-party you just have to volunteer as G, it's not like you have to be a card-carrying member. It's more about style/content as who's currently up yer snatch.... VJs here have claimed to do gay parties, but no one's ever claimed to party gay..., and I would love to have at least one militant queer on the boards to talk dick with. Me, I've been trying to figure out an excuse to put lotsa latexdaddy and hardheroes (http://www.hardheroes.com) wrestling in a set at EyeWash (notice the blue wrestling floor!), but I fear it would shock the lines-n-squares boys into a world they're not quite ready for.

Opinions, or should I just interject gay porn into the non-consentual politics thread?

[funkcutter]

happy st pat's (oops that was yesterday)

no snakes in ireland now - ooh - that was close!

anyway -
oxy - i think we should..... proposal time (all dem evil forms :rolleyes: ) and yes - come on down to london town end of march.... will look forward :)

gurlz readin - get in touch - to make this a more general thing - equal opportunites an all dat (sorry for pun - not!)

lil-cat - i have a multitude of gurly djs too .... after running my promotion for 5 years - still get new contacts djs and mcs and pas even though the last one i did was last may! (too busy concentrating on being a vj right now and trying to stop being jack/jill of all trades) like all your multitudinous suggestions - programming would be intricate to say the least...

holly - i'm not looking up skirts right now - think being up the duff stops external fruityness! but had to tell my husband off for drooling over the lead singer of the libertines last night at the astoria - made punk loops to show at the concert - a punk night in support of the anti nazi league - totally sold out - with the buzzcocks fan-fuckin-tastic! - and included the loops was my lovely young husband's bottom all chroma-keyed up with 'BNP kiss my rock and roll arse!' written on it - mixed in fabulous with all the 'rock against racism' slogans hee hee!

battle- schmattle - you're right - just a forum in which to perform is the best - testosterone out! balls out too!!! (unless they're taped up hohoho) better be off before i offend someone ;)

frank - over and out

(put an old femi9 flyer there so you can see what the score was)

[VJOZ]

Howsabout blindfolded vs. non-blindfolded ?

Use the force! :Smoking:


-VJOZ

[spaceman]

what about:
- black vs white
-communist vs capitalist
-christian vs muslims
-martians vs earthlings
-skinhead vs punks
-dog lovers vs cat lovers
-India vs pakistan
-ect.. vs ect....


Sorry, but i think this is a truly silly idea...

[Stickman]

I think a girzl night / event / jamm (whatever) is a good idea, I agree with seeing a different perspective for an evening, and also promoting our art form to the wider female community of non-VJ's... perhaps even making it more interesting for the partners of many male VJ's...?

My girlfriend quite often makes visual content which I use whilst out performing ...[she's even been known to mix a bit, but, despite support / persuasion etc etc she has so far decided that we're a 1VJ relationship]... , and I've always found her content style refreshing..

I've worked with loads of VJ's, yet, I've havn't worked alongside a female VJ... yet >? why ?<.

Somebody also mentioned something about kids (/younger people).... well my daughter (age 5) jumps on my PC's and mixer whenever I set it up at home, as does my girlfriends 12 year old son.

I've also tought 10 year olds how to use my software and mix to a DJ'ed music source... why not have a daytime session that encourages teenagers / younger Vj's?

Sticks.

[foryoureye]

whats about digital vs. analog? we did this in Vienna and it was quite intersting...

[phluxm]

Hows about a proper battle? - Boy gathers loadsa macho man fight footage from films, girl gathers loadsa Cynthia Rothrock or whatever and they display their incredible moves side-by-side -kind of a breakdance showdown in ninja moves. Maybe have judges, ya know... - Daniel laRuso 3 point combo..?