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9th March 2004, 01:50 AM
Old school vs. the 24 hour render project?.
Do you have a passion for the old way of doing visuals? Or are you a tech junky? I thought it would be interesting to see the difference technology has brought to the live visual field. To get two groups of people, one that is interested in working with film (8mm or things that need development) and another group of people interested in 3D, after-effects and high tech (things that need rendering). I think this could be a project that would go on during the whole week of the festival ending up in a showcase and maybe a small talk where they can talk about the difficulties they ran into, time consumption, the cewl things they found out and so forth. But a day before the festival, the groups need to stop working on their visuals, and either start rendering for 24 hours or develop their films. This could have very interesting results. My problem is that I really want to see this happen, but know very little about film or 3D and high tech stuff (so I am looking for people to get interested and run it).
9th March 2004, 09:46 AM
i wont go to avit since im living in macau and working with no hollydays to spare , but ill preparing a gig here in macau its going to be called " VIDEO GAMBLERS " btw ... 2 days ago i did a 20 min sample in after effetcs with lots of pre comps inside pre comps .. about 10 levels of going in and duplicates layers ... when i added to the render cue ans start it ... i got :wow: 23 days to render ... about 1:45 min each frame ... i was proud ... heheh and i wished i had a 20 computer render farm ... so you can see in what side i am ... high tech ...
9th March 2004, 09:53 AM
Rendering is so old school. Real time is where it is at.
9th March 2004, 08:45 PM
Rova> perhaps you should take heed of your tag line ;)
9th March 2004, 08:49 PM
Im up for the high-tech side - i'll bring down my render farm ;)
9th March 2004, 09:35 PM
Lines, vectors, renders, and video. Oh so nice.
9th March 2004, 10:11 PM
i'm into it sygee! rock out oldschool stylee... just haveto figure how to get back to the UK..... keep me in the loop
10th March 2004, 10:49 AM
i kinda stradell the two camps, i have been thinking about this over the last few weeks in fact, trying to sus out and define for myself and my own stylelistics in conection to vj'ing and what i have sused out so far is -
1) i still think about the things that i show in terms of loops - this comes from years of farting about with 16mm film and the limitations of that media - the speed that you can actualy physicaly change a loop in a projector, what you can actualy show in terms of content etc
2) all the things that i thought would be grate to do at a gig while i was switching a bernt out loop for the umpteenth time would be the ability to mix theses loops insantainoius with a whole load of loops that i have in reserve
3) geting into the whole computer thingey coverd number 2 grate and with the ability to mix with efects and layers and then adding outher bits of kit such as mixing desk etc allowed for even more doors to be opend
4) i find that i create better visuals on the fly then when i actualy sit down and think what am i going to create - there is that little voice in your head that sudenly goes blank and very silant when you actualy try and focuse upon it
5) so i basicly use the technolagy to create on the fly visuals rarther then siting down and rendering stuf
6) on a side isue when i first started useing computers for vj'ing i created and, gasp renderd stuf but two factors came into play that of number 4 above and that of when it came to actualy playing them it was just as boring as changeing over pre-renderd 16mm loops, all that you were doing was just trigering loops and it was the playing live and mixing visuals in new and diferant ways that actualy got me excited about doing what i do (and this is wether i sit down or stand)
11th March 2004, 12:58 AM
Hey, you want old school - I really mean ooooolllllldddddd school -
Here's Maxie from Max-A-Vision!
You know, I still got my bags of 60's/70's film loops stuck up somewhere in the attic. You think you can get a hold of 8-9 16mm projectors?
Get to show them young squirts the difference between chemicals and pixels.
Got video tapes so old, the mould gave up trying long ago.
Almost as old as the BittyPuss from IceHockeyville.
Sweet Sygee of my fantasies, I'm up for whatever you want, except don't ask me to organize. What I got on my plate at the moment would give indigestion to Marlon Brando.
I kiss you most tenderly and lovingly on those sweet cheeks.
Send me an email and we'll talk.
PS: If you got 7-8 slide projectors, I got thousands of the old babies as well. Mix it up real good, just like we did before Silicon City dripped onto the scene.
11th March 2004, 03:48 AM
PS: You like my stars!!!!!???????
I think they look hot.
11th March 2004, 05:51 AM
I still am not sure about what you mean with "oldschool" but I think I'm into oldschool with a bit of rendering, if it doesnt take too long ;P
11th March 2004, 07:32 AM
i think both camps have their usefulness...especially when used together... the computer stuff is just a little more accessible to everyone these days... i mean, most everyone has a computer, but not everyone has old film, or slide projectors..
as far as spontaneous vs preordained goes, playing loops without changing the context makes for dull gigs. crud, you could've just hit play on a vcr or some such for the same effect.
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