Live Video Stream

[Meierhans]

Anybody knows places where to find live video streams of mixing DJ`s in a good quality (> 300 kbs)?

I would like to do a small event at our studentsplace, don`t have the time to mix myself (I`m behind the bar)

I also want to present something special (like DJ XXX, live from Barcelona :cool: )

It shouldn`t be to hard stuff, not really danceable, perhabs more in the direction of chillout.
But i would also be happy to have some links at all.

Anybody thought about streaming live VJ show? Is there any free multiplier for broadband realvideo/QT on the net??
(Sorry if i repeat something already spoken ...)

[petewarden]

KrezRock has a regular webcast, see www.wrongsauce.com for details.

Pete

[elbows]

Live streaming video on the net is still limited because of the costs of servers and the stupid bandwidth that would be needed to serve good quality video to many users at once.

So, decent live servers are limited and I only really see good ones from expensive corporate media giants etc.

I searched for some kind of peer-to-peer or other ingenious solution to this a while ago, but came up with not a lot, nothing at all really if you don have serious money.

Apparently multicasting may be the answer becuase the server doesnt need to send the same video hundreds of times, it is sent to all the viewers using clever routing to minimise bandwidth use. But this requires ISP's etc to be on the multicast backbone and really it hasnt caught off for the masses yet. I hear this is a big part of internet2 which universities are fiddling with at the moment.

So for the moment my philosophy is "does it really need to be broadcast live?" - if not there are many more options available and you can avoid the huge costs of live streaming servers.

Plus theres the annoying fact that the fast paced nature of much VJ output is not suited well to good compression at the low bandwidths that modem users would be stuck on. By letting them download a larger file for offline viewing, they at least have an option to see that show in some kind of watchable quality.

I hope that Im out of date and wrong somewhere on the above because for the 3rd year now I am reregistering an unused .tv domain as I was too optimistic years ago about tv over internet :(

[phase04]

re: streaming

check out

www.piratetv.net

for the best of (IMHO) what can be done when heads collide with video, politics, and good music.

i do a fortnightly live VJ and DJ mix called 'headroomdigital'
...many other fantastic artists also feature their ideas and works on piratetv. you should most def. check it out .

i agree, the state of the art when it comes to offering up a TCP stream of comparable quality to that of a broadcast tv signal is not do-able on a budget. one runs into too many bandwidth related issues when trying to really push a high-quality stream. unless you can afford a full-blown t-1 / e-1, things are limited to low-bandwidth and somewhat pixel-y streams.

re multicasting:

yeah, dont look for any backbone providers to loose up some cheap MAE peering for VJ multicast applications anytime in the near future. heh heh. independent heads using multiple low-er bndwth connections have had some success here, but at the end of the day its the big pipes that make shit happen. .. and the only ones that can subsidize that kind of access are, yes, the big corporate beasts. until we have an STS1 or oc3 hitting the side of your house/studio/club, we're stuck in the low-throughput dark ages for putting independent and non-corporate sanctioned content out there.

i have dabbled a bit in sending a live net based stream to a venue. although its awkward not being able to actually be there to be part of the atmosphere; it was fun just to think about what the future holds for such things. of course, the venue must have a net. con. to support the stream, and most do not. thats usually the largest roadblock to such stuff. anyway, heres the stream:

http://www.headroomdigital.com/ptv/new_forms.rm
(72 MB)

best,

enjoi.

ric.
www.phasefour.org

[sleepytom]

you could relitivly cheaply do point to point streams providing you only want to be able to see the stream in one place - the costs only get stupid if you need to stream it out to loads of seperate places.

if you just want backround music and occasional video then you can't go wrong with www.piratetv.net

this stuff really is the phuture - we did a gig in belgrade with coldcut - only matt was in belgrade, jon was in london playing over a 400k realstream (audio only) it was amazing seeing people playing together live over such a distance - it offers real possabilitys for the future but is very hard to do at the moment as most venues don't have the bandwith or they try and charge you stupid money to use there connection again there are ways round this but it all envolves alot of curcumstances that are well beyond your control (like the internet going down)

[phase04]

good call sleepytom :-)

big ups to piratetv ! !!!!!

best,
ric:D

[krezrock]

thanks for the plug pete!! wrongsauce is 2 years strong. weekly dnb webcast. we're planning on including 2step,dubstep djs in near future as well. anybody on the west coast want to be a guest vj hit me up offlist. we broadcast from la.

[Meierhans]

So how do you multiply you stream at piratetv and wrongsauce? You got 100 Mbit?
And is it possible to multiply my own show over your connect? Does it cost for you, would i have to pay it ??? :eek:
200 K isn`t the world, but still better to server 20 people with 200 k than serving only one...

I could serve you with a live performance, 3 people using their PC`s, midi equipment and brains to give you a nice flight.

I`ve seen you are already using Vjo at Wrongsauce (I would never had thought so, Petewarden ;) )
Thats exactly what I do plan:
2 PC`s with capture cards, a little mixer in between, third one to compress, and the both music performer PC`s.
We do kinda tech house style, based on vocals and melodic stuff, but heading to techno over time - staying at an intelligent level.
:p
Perhabs we could even do this at a small party, so there will be more people on da screen.
But first tell me what you think about it.

theres the annoying fact that the fast paced nature of much VJ output is not suited well to good compression at the low bandwidths that modem users would be stuck on

I already recogniced that. Even at 200 K its really bad with too short cuts. Leads to 3 fps slideshows and evil artefacts. :alien:
But hell, people using a modem can`t look good live streams at all. Best thing you can offer them is 46 K Real Audio with slideshow.


I searched for some kind of peer-to-peer

This would be really fantastic: The edonkey of underground live web TV - combining multiple sources, sharing bandwith instead of files...
Lets see what the future brings.

you could relitivly cheaply do point to point streams providing you only want to be able to see the stream in one place

So anybody wants to send a stream ?? At the 14-15 of September I plan a small meeting of audio+visual artists close to my home.
Would be nice if anbody could play for 1 or 2 hours.
I could also offer you to run a webcam in the other direction, so you see you are not just playin for one stoned person. ;)
Anybody interested??

And last but not least:
THX for your heavy participation at this topis :jump:

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by sleepytom
this stuff really is the phuture - we did a gig in belgrade with coldcut - only matt was in belgrade, jon was in london playing over a 400k realstream (audio only) it was amazing seeing people playing together live over such a distance - it offers real possabilitys for the future but is very hard to do at the moment as most venues don't have the bandwith or they try and charge you stupid money to use there connection again there are ways round this but it all envolves alot of curcumstances that are well beyond your control (like the internet going down)

Yeah we had a live broadcast to Electrofringe '99 from the spacelab with the CC champs, I was actually on this end making up for the bandwidth/frame dropouts with a little additional mixing and CVI work. I do believe we also sent part of the rest of the gig back b4 and after their show. Was pretty damn good back then we had a pretty good connection once it was all set up (about 20mins late) and all the ping tests were looking good. Also a while ago I did the video for the first elefant trax aussie hiphop stream on pirate which went over great too. Big Ups to the pirateTV peeps for top work :)

[syzygy]

A DJ friend of mine has been playing out on an internet radio station recently. Apparently they have a camera and stream out footage of the DJ as they play. They also archive clips for later viewing

The DJ in question is going to look into getting me and PilotX along to do some visuals as he plays. If all goes well then hopefully they'll use VJs on a regular basis...

SyZyGy

[MoRpH]

That would be faar more interesting for ppl that watching boring DJ cam stuff :)

[bertranol]

hello,

I'm working on a little piece of software to mix video files and share them LIVE on the internet.

It's made for low-bandwidth networks, first the player is loading the videos files, and then play them with a LIVE time-line (SMIL like) feed (event and effects).

So, it can work for webcasting in a way, but mainly for multi-users interaction.

It's flash based, but i hope I can make it available with video files in a MPEG-4 format.

It will be available in early 2003 (or early 2004 !), an editor and a player are actually available if you you want to try it.

some examples :

(flash player 6 required)

http://www.mixnbrew.com/symtonic/player/index.php?id=gDG9FCG4

http://www.mixnbrew.com/symtonic/player/index.php?id=gV3xgL16

http://www.mixnbrew.com/symtonic/player/index.php?id=O9a4Cu5k

http://www.mixnbrew.com/symtonic/player/index.php?id=5xEk6JU4

it's not live video stream, but it can help.

best,

bertranol

[krezrock]

using multiple streams will have alot of latency and would be very difficult for master control to manipulate. hasn't this been done recently though?

well we'd need another machine to capture your video streams. it's better for you to do everything live in house and encode it live. therefore you will need someone to pay for the bandwidth. luckily wrongsauce has two sources of bandwidth currently (vibeflow.com, presentationcast.com). vibeflow is kinda annoying because there is a shared studio space, plus windows media encoding sucks in my opinion. so we've just recently moved the show back to our studio (apt.) and send the live encoding to vibeflow's server remotely. this way we use realproducer to encode the live stream (but still use their bandwidth:). better frame rate, cleaner picture. we can't push over 224k out of either studio. for optimum performance ie: 30fps, no artifacts for fast segments of video. you need at least 350k feed. so if you can find someone to run a realserver and eat the cost of bandwidth then get yourself an encoding machine you're good to go.

btw, heheh all wrongsauce shows are nato.0+55 and auvi objects for max/msp. it's a mixer i put together myself over the past couple of years.
pete's vjo stuff is really amazing though. plus he's got a kick ass laptop ;)

pete!! when you gonna come on as a guest? hit me up offlist k?

here's three archives that haven't been posted on ws yet:


http://real.vibeflow.com:8080/ramgen/wrongsauce/wrongsauce.2002-08-26.trox.rm
http://real.vibeflow.com:8080/ramgen/wrongsauce/wrongsauce.2002-08-19.rm
http://real.vibeflow.com:8080/ramgen/wrongsauce/wrongsauce.2002-08-12.rm


Originally posted by Meierhans
So how do you multiply you stream at piratetv and wrongsauce? You got 100 Mbit?
And is it possible to multiply my own show over your connect? Does it cost for you, would i have to pay it ??? :eek:
200 K isn`t the world, but still better to server 20 people with 200 k than serving only one...

I could serve you with a live performance, 3 people using their PC`s, midi equipment and brains to give you a nice flight.

I`ve seen you are already using Vjo at Wrongsauce (I would never had thought so, Petewarden ;) )
Thats exactly what I do plan:
2 PC`s with capture cards, a little mixer in between, third one to compress, and the both music performer PC`s.
We do kinda tech house style, based on vocals and melodic stuff, but heading to techno over time - staying at an intelligent level.
:p
Perhabs we could even do this at a small party, so there will be more people on da screen.
But first tell me what you think about it.



I already recogniced that. Even at 200 K its really bad with too short cuts. Leads to 3 fps slideshows and evil artefacts. :alien:
But hell, people using a modem can`t look good live streams at all. Best thing you can offer them is 46 K Real Audio with slideshow.




This would be really fantastic: The edonkey of underground live web TV - combining multiple sources, sharing bandwith instead of files...
Lets see what the future brings.



So anybody wants to send a stream ?? At the 14-15 of September I plan a small meeting of audio+visual artists close to my home.
Would be nice if anbody could play for 1 or 2 hours.
I could also offer you to run a webcam in the other direction, so you see you are not just playin for one stoned person. ;)
Anybody interested??

And last but not least:
THX for your heavy participation at this topis :jump:

[krezrock]

you should definitely go and plug in, i'm sure they'll want you to keep coming back.


Originally posted by syzygy
A DJ friend of mine has been playing out on an internet radio station recently. Apparently they have a camera and stream out footage of the DJ as they play. They also archive clips for later viewing

The DJ in question is going to look into getting me and PilotX along to do some visuals as he plays. If all goes well then hopefully they'll use VJs on a regular basis...

SyZyGy

[burstingfist]

what about www.groovtech.com (http://www.groovetech.com) ?