What are your oppinions on these Mixers !!

[J0L0]

I am fresh to video (mixing) and am reseaching on software and handware must haves.. now I want to buy a not to expensive video mixer and i have seen a few on offer which are:

- Blaupunkt DVM 2000 http://www.marktplaats.nl/fotos/video/videomengpanelen/451.jpg



- Panasonic WJ-MX-10 http://www.marktplaats.nl/fotos/video/videomengpanelen/450.jpg


and offcourse


- Panasonic WJ-AVE5
http://www.marktplaats.nl/fotos/video/videomengpanelen/436.jpg



Which one of the 3 would be the one to have!! I mean live video in + plus 1 or 2 other inputs plus audio-in and with internal TBC's


please help me


jon

[hamageddon]

the blaupunkt and ave5 are obviously the same

[Nienzus081]

I use the AVE-5 and am still completely satisfied with it. My biggest concern was the response time on the fader and it has a very fast responce! I'd say the only things I wish it had were more inputs but other than that it's a great deal for the price. I found mine on Ebay for $300.00 I never touch the effects or the titler but know that some people consider those to be a minus as well.

MY Overall: B+

[J0L0]

Thnx Hamageddon


I must have been blind !!! not to see that they are the same... and I can get it for a "snip" compared to the Panasonic...


jon

[hamageddon]

yep, blaupunkt did a dvm1000
(not to be confused with the hama)
which was an original panasonic ave-3
and the dvm2000 identical to the ave-5

my guess on the mx10 is that its the pro (bnc) version
of the ave3. can anybody second that?

[sleepytom]

NO
mx10 is a two input, two channel mixer with fx on one channel and frame sync (but not dual tbc)

AV3 is a video fx box - it can't mix two video signals

the only pannasonics that are identical are the av55 and the mx20 (mx20 has bncs av55 has phonos)

[snapdragon]

ive been using an ave55 the last few days and wanting to do a straight cut between sources but the best it seems to be able to do is a fade over about 5 frames... is it fukked? i'm pretty sure my ave7 does a straight cut.

in fact i reckon the ave7 is better than the ave55, its got one less input, but has an extra out and a mic preamp and full audio mixer sliders....

[hamageddon]

Originally posted by sleepytom
the only pannasonics that are identical are the av55 and the mx20 (mx20 has bncs av55 has phonos)

and what about the ave7 and the mx-30?

[sleepytom]

ive been using an ave55 the last few days and wanting to do a straight cut between sources but the best it seems to be able to do is a fade over about 5 frames... is it fukked?
Maybe - the 55 should do a cut - turn the autotake speed right down and test autotake button - it should be a staight cut. - if theres a delay / error on the manual crossfade but not the auto take then you need to replace the fader - if the errors on the auto take too then its more serious


and what about the ave7 and the mx-30?
No there not the same - the mx30 has audio synch on some fx and it has a frame grabber - the av7 doesn't have these things

the av7 has one button for each input where as the mx30 shares buttons for its camera input

the av7 allows you to use the camera input for a matte key between source one and two - i don't think you can do this on the mx30

[videotechno]

to do straight cuts on the AVE55 or MX20, all you need to do is tap another source button on the active bank [A or B]. hitting the auto take button with the speed dial at minimum will do a very quick transition, but not quite a straight-up cut... yo... cut it. >:O)

[videotechno]

Originally posted by sleepytom
NO
the only pannasonics that are identical are the av55 and the mx20 (mx20 has bncs av55 has phonos)

don't forget the color difference! the 55 wins 'cuz it's charcoal gray instead of beige... >:O)

[snapdragon]

it does the 5ish frame fade using the autotake button, i havent checked with cross fader instead, but am now using my ave7 so i dont care anymore :).... and this:

videotechno to do straight cuts on the AVE55 or MX20, all you need to do is tap another source button on the active bank [A or B]

is no good because the genlock only works if you swith banks with. autotake ...or fader.

[MoRpH]

Snap the panasonic mixers should not glitch when you change the source on the active bus, they have a frame sync which locks all channels to the sync of one of the input channels. They should switch cleanly, @ least in theory and every panasonic I have ever used does, maybe you should have yours looked @ if its glitching like that.

[snapdragon]

morph - NO WAY! well the genlock is definetly fucked on the ave55 then, swithching betweensources on the active bus does cause glitches, i'll check this out on the ave7 i always assumed you had to autotake for the genny to work, i've got some time today so i'll let you know later

cheers.

[MoRpH]

Well I have to catagorically state that I have never seen a glitch b4 when switching the active bus input on an MX10, 12 or 50

PS panasonic mixers do not have GENLOCKS they have FRAME SYCHRONIZERS (maybe the 50 has a full 4 channel TBC but not from what I have seen)

[sleepytom]

actually...

all panasonic mixers bar the mx10 +mx12 have a TBC for each Buss which genlocks to the external camera input.

the 10 and 12 have frame sync (channel 2 is synced to what ever is going on a channel 1 - thats why they loose sync if you rewind a tape playing into channel 1)

there are issues with both these approaches and you can get a very small glitch when switching channels on the active buss.

the only way to achive fully glich free switching is by genlocking all your sources and mixers / switchers to a refrence sync pulse and only using vertical interleave switching (the pannasonic mixers don't provide VI swiching when doing cuts on the active buss -hence the glitch, and there extreamly fast responce).

[MoRpH]

Cheers Tom, thanks for clearing that up for us, my panasonic experiences are mainly a bit old now but I did know the frame sync on 10 and 12 thing as have suffered with it b4. Strangely I thought I had seen a 50 do it to but maybe it was just in need of a service.

As for the slight glitching when switching on the active channel I guess in the ferrocity of most of my mixes I just haven't notice it b4..... I stand corrected, even if it is barely noticable :D

[snapdragon]

unlucky morph as always tom is right! my ave7 also glitches when switching on the active bus - this is'nt particularly a big deal for vjing cos its real minor, but currently i'm filming plays at the edinburgh festival and doing live mix downs to try and avoid post production, so it is actually crucial that the signals don't glitch when theres a cut.

bizarrely i've found another weird problem: sometimes when swithcing between two sources on the ave55 there is a white flash on screen! i thought this was the ave55 getting even more fucked but then this started happening on my ave7 as well the problem seems intermittant and only when switching to a speciific digital 8 camera - problem with camera? - any ideas? this was using just the composite ins, and i was so pissed of when it started happening on the ave7 that i packed it in for the day..