Promo AVit DVD project

[evomedia]

Ok guys, here's is the concept, to produce a mix dvd to give away as promotion for up and coming AVIT events.

Now here are the issues:

We need feedback on how it should be done from as many of those from VJC as possible. Questions like, who should mix it, or should it be snippets of all the contributer's works seperately, do we give a theme or leave it open? Music, should it be recognizable or new (I know plenty of home based amateur producers, we can audition tracks if people have suggestions for copyright free music)

Not talking about using your best material from your sets, but lots of us producing a small amount of new material

this definately should be a group concensous...

plus if your interested in giving a bit of new work to further AVIT's reputation then please say you'd like to volunteer. If we get too much material then we either produce 2 dvd's, one short mix as promotion and longer one for sale at avit. Or we produce several promo dvd's for variety or to act as a teaser campaign.

[myogenic]

I'll be up for contributing some clips/ 1 min mix.

If you want some chilled tunes, i've got a few of my own tracks up at myogenic (http://www.myogenic.co.uk)
which your welcome to use (royalty free).........

[evomedia]

cheers genic, have to say I'll also happily put in content, also have access to lots of orginal material, either free from friends or at minumal cost. However know alot here make lots of music themselves

We play a night where people bring in there own tunes. Most would love to have some of it used for minimal costs, or even know a dj who is starting a record label with this material, sure he could provide a track or so for publicity for his label.

[vjpixylight]

you can definately count me in...let's give them something to talk about:)
cheers

[RayV]

Sound idea.
I'm happy to participate & help, in fact I have got already some clips made for Avit Brighton with Avit's logo. I can add those to an a/v piece or chuck in few home grown clips in the pool.
I reckon there will be no need to ask for pre-made loops from audiovisualizers, i'm sure there will be enough contributors with some fresh work.
I reckon that sorting it all out will be the hard bit
& will bring"it" on...

Since I am working for a few years now in the International Department of a record label, I would be happy to offer some of my experience for the music side of things: licensing / legal procedures & contracts / contacts with labels etc.
I could try & most likely find a way to recruit musicians /DJ's (from vast range of music styles) who will be happy to contribute some tracks for free or at a minimal costs (% from the sales?)

I feel we would need to sort out & decide regards:
*clips formats: Codecs / size / length of clips
*"Packaging" : the Theme = if any at all /
style: mixed set / assorted pieces of different vjs + A/V acts /
mixing each other clips (Y/N)
Music
etc

ray-v
:sun:

[vjpixylight]

Good idea RayV!
First off we need a good uniform codec to send in the submissions as..
best would be a lossless codec such as animation codec(QT) or Huffy codec..

It would be big files, but 1-2 min. pieces could be reliably sent on CDR's..

[charlielangridge]

Why not send them all in DV?

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by charlielangridge
Why not send them all in DV?

DV would be 2nd choice, although much more work in the conversion process, not to mention the editor's would need a PAL/NTSC setup to get both ready to dump to DVD..

If the contributor's could convert their final mix/video to either Huffy or amination codec's it would make the overall process much simpler..:cool:

[RayV]

...thought of somthin
the HQ of the project maybe should work out a way of sorting the clips out under a headlines given by the community / participate
in the project, making the prossecs transperant as much as posibale if at all after the post avit rants

How do you think project manger should be chosen though?
just a thought..

[JeSs]

Great idea,
I'm up for that too
Can also create a 1min mix (also got a bit of footage from AVIT 03). And use one of my tracks. Or even create one for the occasion !
The format should stay digital. Think it will be easier for most of us. But I'm not sure if we can even fit a 1-2 min clip with audio in anim codec :confused:

Lets get it on !!

You never know if this works we could end up with an AVIT VJ label for DVD's Seb won't have to empty is bank account for us anymore ;)

edited to get rid of too many smilies...

[charlielangridge]

Y dont we produce small mixes (5 mins?) and burn them to dvd-r (as files not video)

[sleepytom]

umm its a dvd right?
so thats mpeg2

need to decide about pal/ntsc but that depends on which avit event the disk is for.

if people want to pool clips before hand then they should use the native format of the footage (dv or lossless codecs for 3d stuff)

for this disk to be a high quality product people should avoid quarter screen clips - there is no need for them if your making your own stuff.

[charlielangridge]

Originally posted by charlielangridge
Y dont we produce small mixes (5 mins?) and burn them to dvd-r (as files not video)

Just as a storage medium :P

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by sleepytom
umm its a dvd right?
so thats mpeg2

need to decide about pal/ntsc but that depends on which avit event the disk is for.

if people want to pool clips before hand then they should use the native format of the footage (dv or lossless codecs for 3d stuff)

for this disk to be a high quality product people should avoid quarter screen clips - there is no need for them if your making your own stuff.

I think for the first DVD, if made we should use it for both the NA and UK AVit's
on the next go-round..
And Tom is absolutely right, the quality really should be made to PAL spec's..
Which means that NTSC footage would have to be converted up to PAL format by the NTSC entries..(and yes, to get that quality, the footage will have to start out at at least 720x480, meaning it would be original content..)

Charlie has a good idea about saving your clips to DVD data format, meaning you could get a 5 min. clip at animation/huffy codec, on a DVDr..(4.3 gigs of usable space per DVD)..

RayV,
Definately should keep it all transparent, as you suggested, and maybe Seb(exhale) could kinda over see the project as well, which could be agree too by AVit core or open VJC forum...

If the length is going to be 5 min. clips, they should also have an orginal soundtrack, which will make it maybe too exclusive to non A/V VJ's..
...(but prolly the only way to make it more marketable..)
We maybe could have 1-2 min. VJ shorts(without a soundtrack) to be mixed to some original music, in addition to the A/V tracks..

What do you think?

[RayV]

i reckon that to represent the whole community (majority are non a/v) should be parts of:

1. A/V short sets

2. Short set mixed - put together
done by:
Offer A: varios VJ's submiting short mix of 3 min
Offer B: "someone" that got elected somehow / few VJs - mixing it
Offer c: Edited peice of assorted clips by varios VJs backed up with music contributed by the community musicians / others

3. Clips related to Avit (logo?)

basic idea :yep:

[sleepytom]

why does everything allways get so fucking complex.....

lets keep this simple
mixes between 5 and 10 mins long
music and video to be supplied by the VJ (must be all own work / licencable for no money)

thats it.

this way people who do AV can do there thing and silent VJs can get someone they like who is making music to let them have a track to mix video to.

audio artists will be credited on the disk so is a good promo for them too right?

finnished peices to be sent on mini dv tape (pal or ntsc) to who ever is able to do the mastering (i could do this if you like)

anyone who whishes to collaberate with other people on there piece can do so but this will be a private arrangement between people - you'll have to find your own ways of swapping clips and making something together.

anyone who doesn't want to make a 5 min peice can make some clips for others to incorperate into there pieces - stick em online somewhere and let people download them and use them for this project.

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by sleepytom
why does everything allways get so fucking complex.....
It doesn't;)

lets keep this simple
mixes between 5 and 10 mins long
10 min. track is too long IMO.(this is more or less promo material) and is this to be a live VJ mix, or an edited A/V thing or both?
music and video to be supplied by the VJ (must be all own work / licencable for no money)



thats it.

this way people who do AV can do there thing and silent VJs can get someone they like who is making music to let them have a track to mix video to.
This would be in effect a audio VJ mix right? Would it still be a full song mix from the supplying audio artists? I would rather see silent VJ shorts that could be compiled to a longer edited mix of all the silent VJ'sthat contribute..To be fair, maybe 1or2 of the silent VJ contributor's could be chosen at random to mix/edit the final mix with an Audio track that we can get license free from an audio contributor..

audio artists will be credited on the disk so is a good promo for them too right?

finnished peices to be sent on mini dv tape (pal or ntsc) to who ever is able to do the mastering (i could do this if you like)


anyone who whishes to collaberate with other people on there piece can do so but this will be a private arrangement between people - you'll have to find your own ways of swapping clips and making something together.

anyone who doesn't want to make a 5 min peice can make some clips for others to incorperate into there pieces - stick em online somewhere and let people download them and use them for this project.

But for the most part Tom's layout sounds reasonable as a rough outline...Wadda the rest of you think?

[spark]

good to hear people talking about using avit to make collaborative/compilation dvds - it surely is the most obvious way to take this community forward (audio)visually.

i think the way to approach an avit dvd is to tie it into each festival, and make it part of the experience: essentially, as part of attending the festival you get a dvd with all the participants showreels.


make participant submissions strictly miniDV/DVstream file and 1-5mins long
when participants are selected, the submission media are collated
a DVD compilation is made. iDVD and a day will do it.
festival registration fees cover the cost of DVD duplication to all involved
everyone chills out at home afterwards with their souvenir - and are inspired by seeing everyones stuff together at full quality


in my experience the thing about projects like this is not how cool they are but how practical is the process thats likely to make it actually happen. with this idea, there are deadlines, an existing organisational framework, and the tech is simple.

a good place to start?

toby

[vjpixylight]

That Sounds Good Toby....So lets get started!!!:)

[vjTranceKoder]

I/O AV is in. Let us know when submissions are due;)

[brunomarinho]

hi, i did not take part of any AVIT, but if it is possible I would be very happy to send you one of my videos, but I need to know if you want just video or mixed with sound already, you can check my latest work on www.timedivision.tv its a video called LOVEBEAT

peace

bruno

[spark]

pixy - well the next fest is most likely yours, so its up to you to represent the idea to the others (or those) developing san francisco.

toby

[vjpixylight]

Spark
I will be putting much energy into do just that, after the holiday's..
me head needs some Non VJ stimulie right now:)

So in a few mr magoo..
-Peacefully