recording TV

[gloreg]

i recorded some cool stuf from TV and i guess if it's possible to leave out the terrible logo of the channel (watermark is called??)..
are there some techniques or softwares?? i know there is copytight and stuff like that but i would like to take just few frames and no profit...:)

[alangeering]

Removed by AlGee (Alan Geering) due to wise comments of more experienced members.

[holly]

Ahhh, where is the VJCentral Super FAQ???

Do a SEARCH for "remove watermark" and you will see there have been problems with having this information on VJc/f. Also do a SEARCH for just "watermark" and you will discover some raging debates about the moral complications of this discussion, despite your (I'm sure honest) assertion that you will only use the knowledge against broadcast television for non-profit hobbism and not against your fellow VJs to steal their content.

I am not trying to be a jerk, but you must understand that the majority of VJs use a watermark on their VJ reels, a disc chockfull of their best content, which is sent out to everyone. If VJs are afraid to send out demos because of common knowledge on how to remove the watermark, we are hurting our own industry. This has been fought over in the past and a bregrudging truce is called (for now) on a don't ask, don't tell basis.

Alternatives have been to not bother with removal and just leave it up in defiance of the very concept of a watermark as a deterant (if you ignore it, it's power to stop you sampling becomes meaningless, and any VJ whose footage is ripped can take comfort that his logo at least is included with his footage). Crop and resize the footage, which will reduce the quality of the image but if you're sampling off telly anyway this can add to the social contextualism of sampling as an artistic tool (in otherwords, sampling media and making it obvious that it's a sample is a more legitamate artistic statement than sampling media and pretending you made it yourself).

Sorry, but the current policy on VJc/f is that posting instructions on removing a watermark is similar to posting a serial number or a crack to software. It isn't allowed.

[alangeering]

sorry, didn't think

just answered a technical question with a technical answer, I didn't think about the ethics at all

feel free to remover my post, or should I?

Alan

[syzygy]

Thanks Alan - I'm gald you can understand why we have ot be careful around these areas...

Personally, I have a lot more time for sampled visuals when they leave the TV logos intact or cover them in amusing (and obvious) ways - for me this lends some credibility to the claim that such sampled works are making fair use of the original material.

Dan.

[littlecatalyst]

leave the ABC watermark on..... and do nasty things to it (horns..... flames a burnin in hell..... goofy and/mickey inserting things into it..... )

[syzygy]

I saw a good example of that recently, where a BBC 'LIVE' logo in the corner was continually rotating to read 'EVIL' on the other side.

The clip was a cutup of Tony Blair making a speech...

Dan.

[JonnyMudd]

how or with which programs can you change or add to the watermark from a tv programme?

[littlecatalyst]

jonnyMudd thanks for making me laugh

ur new here as this is ur first post i think people will be generally kind to you, but you did read this thread before posting, right? people will help u as far as adding to, it or manipulating, but i dont think youll find much help in removing them here, but you will get a read as to why, even from rereading this thread, but here's another for ya: http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=5833&highlight=watermark



btw just a helpful tip to the newbie-- each subtopic (i.e. software, or general chat....) has a search feature at the verry bottom, so you can see everything thats already been talked about (and talked about and talked about.....) welcome to VJC! :yep:

[JonnyMudd]

yeah thanks. I wasnt looking at deleting the watermark. Instead I wanted to do some of the things that were said before my post, you know adding horns etc! fun thing to "add-on" to the current watermark.

[littlecatalyst]

shot in the dark;

animate your additions in flash on a blue screen coloured background and then key them into your clips

[slof]

VirtualDub + filter called Logoaway or the filter DeLogo. Both for use in VirtualDub. Download VirtualDub @ www.virtualdub.org and the filters @ http://neuron2.net/ or try google.com

Greetz,
Slof.

[Retardia]

TV..... I hate it but if I edited It i would love it.

SO what your saying is that sampling TV is illegal. I had no idea. Its already public. I would think that altering it would be closer to illegal than straight sampling.

I dont get it. "Video/Visual Jockey" what does that imply? A jockey of Video. If the only useable material is that of the producers (those guys who sell cds dvds of their loop, animation, and so forth. ), I would personally want to have a 100% original set. And Im working on it. but sampling was/is going to be a key aspect. I have been working on some things and I find that TV sampling is quite a large chunk,especially seeing as how I currently am not able to use a camera and am getting tiered of spending hours on dreary photoshop stop motion. TV has quite visually potential stuff, and yes its are altered, They would suck otherwise. I find CNN and BBC and Discovery to be of the highest measure. and when I say altered I mean altered. EX. ive got distorted stock brockers argueing with stock quote banners flying accross the screen. Would this be illegal to use and VJ proffesionally (profit).

Any way... I guess my request is basic feedback.