Multiple Screen / Output Instalation>> pt.2

[stark]

hey...
well i posted a message some time ago because i wanted to conect various sources to various outputs.

one of the recomendations was to get a video matrix switch. I managed to examine diferent brands and models but found none that fit my needs.

Most of the ones i find are for security porpuses and they offer no vj stuff. For example i would really like to have transitions as a minimum, and maybe even effects (like most video mixers do). In part what i need is a video mixer with multiple outputs. But also a matrix controler, to divide one image into for plasma screens for example. and to have control over each independent screen aswell.

do any of you know a device that fits this utopic description?

[MoRpH]

Sounds like your dreaming to me mate.... mainly cause to do transitions and mixer functions you would have to isolate and mix every single incoming stream into the others then, select the output for that mix then be able to do diffent mixes for each output... it could be build but it would be a small fortune I think.

[stark]

:( I dont want it to be a dream... :(



Well so the best way to go about this would be to conect various 4 output video mixers and dividing all my 4 inputs into 4 each and puting them into each mixer.... having 4 outputs from 4 inputs...


(see pt 1 of this message)

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[infopocalypse]

1. Fiduciary... to buy multiple projectors, multiple mixers, and multiple sources you're looking at several thousand USD... probably in the range of $10000 bare mininimum

2. Logisticial... to cut a corner around fidiciary and chain outputs of one machine into each of the video mixers, then you need to have various mixers on the same thing @ once to fade away from something for the purpose of switching outputs.

James

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by *****
(hehehe your question sorts out the talkers from the VJ's LOL )

OK mate seems like you have come up with a good solution thats great (even if it isn't the one unit that was origianlly proposed). But it arrogant statements like the one above that are not welcome, its not really in the spirit of what VJC is about mate... so please stop, but please continue with your interesting and informative posts :)

[infopocalypse]

I'd program one.

Cute play on my SN.

Shame about the fact that this suggestion was posted by me (same sources into quad amps/splitters OR switchers).

Be nicer on the forums man... you pointed out that cooperation with promoters will assist you in getting booked... cooperation with other VJs is about the quickest way to get international reputation.... with which you have a choice... you can get an international reputation amongst other VJs as helpful, considerate, interested, etc, which will help you open the gate to other cities and countries.... or you can get the international reputation as a tosser, which will help you get tossed.

James

[MoRpH]

***** relax mate.... I also do video fulltime here in australia and i agree with you personally I think @ least one hardware mixer in a rig is a nescessity if you serious about doing video. If thats the industry standard way of doing it its something I didn't know (a situation I haven't encountered personally) so thank you for sharing :)

Also this site is aimed @ every one initersted in VJing, from newbies, right through to ppl doing it professionally (like us) so I was just asking you to be a little more considerate of that :) and yes you prolly have a point about the current memmbership being a bit more biased toward software I guess thats what happens when you using a computer based medium for this communication aswell, but we do definately need more input from more hardware based ppl, so thank you and i ask you to stay and be very active :) and I will do my best also to ask ppl to stop insulting you (I'm not the site owner but a very active member and moderator) and hope you will do the same for ppl that maybe don't have the same amount of knowledge in certain areas as you, as that is hardly ground for calling someone "not a real vj". Take me as you find me used to be one of my mottos too, but as I have realized over time here, its much more helpful and productive to get along and get on with it :)

Actually on the topic of hardware, I'm a huge hardware solution fan to the point where I am actually personally involved in designing a hardware VJ mixer @ the momment and a number of vj focus hardwares in the pipes :)

BTW please resond to my PM or come to the next chat meeting if you can make it :)

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by *****
Wat ya recon to an a-b mixer pedal?

This unit sounds like a great idea :) any plans to market it once proto typed *****???

[sleepytom]

hmm i've been waiting to see this happen for a while....

looks like the so called pro vjs are getting really worried now haha

the market is changing - promoters and clubbers are starting to notice good visuals, soon it will not be good enough to own a lot of kit you will need to be able to create good original content - people will be booked on the merit as a vj - big name djs don't get booked coz they own a big soundsystem why should a vj get to play allnight coz they have a barco?

people can now do in software what previosly you needed huge amounts of kit to do - sure there are advatages and disadvantages to both approaches but these are not important really - if you can provide a good reliable show then it makes no diffrence to the promoters wether you have ?100 000 worth of kit or ?1000 worth - all they want is some video

personally i can't wait for the market to change so that the big promoters are booking vjs based on there ability to vj rather than the amount of kit they own but then i'm not scared of loosing out to newbees because i know that my content / ability is better

as for when you can call yourself a vj - i'd say that comes when people book you to vj - not when they book you to bring projectors and screens (by all means call yourself an av hire company)

as to needing a broadcast matrix switch for multiscreens that simply isn't true - you can use a combiation of mixers (using the preview out to get 2 seperate signals out) and VDAs to distribute the signals - this setup is as expandable as you like by simply adding more mixers - sure a matrix switch will make life easyer but it is not essential.

[infopocalypse]

Originally posted by *****

TV industry leads VJ's. Not the computer industry thats trying to catch up.


*****:

1. TV industry has been software based for about 3 years now... video mixers are software PROMs 99% of the time, including on the Panasonic... they just lack GUI... I agree that the VJ software industry is trying to catch up to it's promise and potential (see about any other post not directed @ you).

2. Don't try to pull this I'm "pro" you're not stuff about here... next to Stark (whose individual resume I'm not familiar with) we all have resumes that make yours look short in comparison.

3. In point of fact the industry standard solution for this is to use ElectroSonic ImageMag2's, composite signals, and spread out the TV/output sources... of course this comes far above the cost of doing your matrix solution.

A suggestion to you *****... join EyeCandy:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eyecandy/

We're not trying to bash you on here but really you should learn to cooperate, that is to not allow your fragile ego to allow you to act before you think.

[unjulation]

so mate what you up to in october?

[infopocalypse]

As in what... how many VJs does it take to screw in an ImageMag?

I knew about the ImageMag a long long time ago, and the way to pull the solution that way, but the ImageMag costs around $2000 USD, and since I have had no one directly express the need for it I haven't spent the money. Cheap MX-1s and Simas are around $500, so a four screen system ends up lower or same cost to do with mixers and you will also have the extra gear.

I don't have a problem with you, just your conduct.

I never said that software-only was the solution, and in fact I strongly believe it is not, and this is speaking as a software developer... but you did say that hardware solutions led the industry, failing to realize that the industry has gone over to a software base some time ago.

I based the reumse bit off of what you've got sitting on your profile.

Just calm down. Drink some Guinness. Relax

[unjulation]

just finishing of runing the V.J.'ing workshop, then helping the students through there first live gig on the 3rd of augest, so anyone not up to anything that day come along to "unity" hyde park festi, contact me and i'll send more info, etc.
after that then it's all hands on deck for the vjc gig, hence asking what you were up to in october, though i'd like to try and get away for the odd weekend, so let us know if you've got any gigs over the next two months and i'll try and make it over.

[sleepytom]

Originally posted by *****



But ffs cool it with the crack pot boy scout expert bullshit unless to can walk the walk...



actually i do use a matrix switch for most of my gigs - but your suggesting that the only way of doing multioutput gigs is with a huge broadcst matrix - which IS NOT TRUE.

you also seem to be very keen on the idea that if you buy a load of posh kit then your a vj - this again is NOT TRUE

as to walking the walk did you see the vjs.net gig at ocean? any idea of the complexity of running enough gear for an event like that? on a tight budget? hmm maybe you do - but the only way to get to our level of experiance is by doing lots of gigs - if you want a truly creative setup then you need to experment with your gear and use it creativly - where as you have been telling people that they can't do multi-screen shows without spending thousands on gear when there are many ways to do a show on a tight budget using gear that you allready own or that can be borrowed off people

sure if its a big gig or has a large budget then you will be better off hireing in some pro gear - but many of the people on this list have just started out and are doing small local gigs for free and simply don't have the money to start buy matrix switchers all i am doing is saying to them that you can work on a budget and there is allways a workround for not having the "right" gear - as they do more gigs they will learn what gear they want / need to do bigger + better shows

there is no industry standard gear for vjs its all an adaption of gear made for the tv industry and there is absolutly no industry standard way of wiring things up - we all work in diffrent ways because our work is all diffrent - by all means offer us an insite into how you work but please don't tell us it is the only way to do things

BTW if you look here (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=333&highlight=matrix+switch) you'll see that i had allready suggested that he looks at matrix switches.


If we have informed posts we all gain, absolutly but if we have name calling and insult trading everyone suffers - so please cut out the crap

[robotfunk]

Some friends are looking into producing a 4 in / 4 out mixer before the end of this year. 1 fader will dissolve between 2 sets of 4 inputs each. They will be stackable so you can mix any number of inputs as long as its a multiple of 4.

[MoRpH]

Sounds excellent for big shows Jilt, keep us informed :) BTW cheers on getting back OT without the bullshit :)