I need work. Here's a short demo!! <3!!!

[Deloscinari]

http://vimeo.com/15509218

[dontregister]

Classic, boring and overused visuals and effects, yet trippy, consistent and well executed.

.DR.

[vjneef]

I think it's good,
but could you do this live at a party and change it when the music is different ?

[032981]

I need gigs too. We should have a fourum topic titlted "Looking for work". I bet we could have 50,000 postings...

[evomedia]

Need gigs?

...Pick up the phone and start calling promoters, that's how everyone else gets work.

On a forum full of Vj's should be pretty obvious that if anyone here finds work, they are likely to be a VJ and therefore likely to do it themselves :)

[sleepytom]

not always ;)

personally i think / hope that we will see a progression where as time goes on VJs wil start to behave a bit more like other creatives. At the moment it seems that people are still just looking for a VJ, without any thought to the style of graphics they want. Thus anyone who is a VJ can and will say yes to any work offered to them as a VJ. This is not how it should be! Maybe one day people will actually be interested in the end result and so will search for a certain style of VJ. When this starts to happen then i hope that VJs will be kind and honest enough to pass on work to another more suitable VJ if they don't have the correct style of content for the gig.

Maybe an agency would help this kind of idea flourish? Hey wasn't someone running an agency? wonder what happened to that? I hope it wasn't just used as a line in their VJF signature in an effort to get more work for themselves :eek:

[evomedia]

Well luckily I know whats happening with that, but that's a different story...

[vjrei]

Sleepytom, with all due respect... It seems you have been sleeping for the last 4 years.

I joined this forums 8 years ago actually. And you are talking about an idea that have been spoken billions of times without any result for that period of time when VJing was several times more interesting of what it is today.

Please, do not create false expectations and please, come with new ideas and proposals if that is the case.

I haven't post here in months, I stopped VJing professionally late 2008, still I participated at the Ultra Music Festival this year because I still having an eye on the VJ scene. But is never the same as it was back in 2004 to 2007 in my time when I had the luxury of rejecting $6000 jobs because they didn't want to place my name on the flyer because they didn't consider me as an artist but a technician. Today I would be doing that same job for $600 and I would be lucky.

Everybody with a laptop is a VJ, any graphic designer knows already Resolume or Modul8, the word is spread and is not a novelty anymore.

Forget about agencies, people won't work for free and for you. Having an "agency" requires time and at the end of the month there are bills to pay so wasting time is not an option, specially in something so idealistic/ unrealistic as a VJ agency.

Find a production company and cut your vains doing state of the art footage for little money, learn the actual video servers like Catalist, no "resolume" and prepare to bet for a position that doesn't exist.

Myself... I spent many years and resources into VJing, it gave me a name that today is worth nothing because I am doing video post production as any mortal and I am 35 and very behind compared with the guys today who are 28 and manages many other softwares because they spent their time in useful things. At 35 I should have my own post production company, today I am 8 years older than my boss who knows less than me but spent his times and resources into some less fancy but more realistic, my boss is getting marry and I had to brake up with my girlfriend after 4 years because I can not support her economically... because I wasted my time being a VJ star instead of doing something worth it.

[Kyle]

Hi Rei, missed you, welcome back!

[fata alex]

I think Tom was joking Rei!

But you raise some interesting points here:


Everybody with a laptop is a VJ, any graphic designer knows already Resolume or Modul8, the word is spread and is not a novelty anymore.

Forget about agencies, people won't work for free and for you. Having an "agency" requires time and at the end of the month there are bills to pay so wasting time is not an option, specially in something so idealistic/ unrealistic as a VJ agency.

Find a production company and cut your vains doing state of the art footage for little money, learn the actual video servers like Catalist, no "resolume" and prepare to bet for a position that doesn't exist.

Myself... I spent many years and resources into VJing, it gave me a name that today is worth nothing because I am doing video post production as any mortal and I am 35 and very behind compared with the guys today who are 28 and manages many other softwares because they spent their time in useful things. At 35 I should have my own post production company, today I am 8 years older than my boss who knows less than me but spent his times and resources into some less fancy but more realistic, my boss is getting marry and I had to brake up with my girlfriend after 4 years because I can not support her economically... because I wasted my time being a VJ star instead of doing something worth it.

Its something i've really been thinking alot about recently, as i've seen many of my friends that i was at uni with really going places in the film and tv world which i intially wanted to go into before accidentally getting sucked into vjing. I've applied for a few tv jobs recently but kind of feel like i've missed the boat now having spent a few years vjing.

And here's some appropriate and not so appropriate smiley things:
:-offtopic:horse::sun::butterfly:violin:

Somebody better split the thread incase this carries on tho

[sleepytom]

Well boohoo Rei, at least your not bitter about it!

I would say that the way things went was a little different to how you explain it.

I would never pay you or anyone else $6000 for VJing. The fact that you managed to charge a few events this much money for playing back some downloaded footage is somewhat astonishing but fair play they were stupid and you profited from their stupidity.

Now what you have is some competition, other people who are possibly making better content and are willing to work for more reasonable sums of money without getting all pissy about having their name in lights or their VJ table on the stage next to the DJ.

Welcome to the real world...

... Alex - ask your friends that work in TV how they go into it. I'm wiling to bet it had nothing to do with there qualifications but was simple hard work for low pay combined with some luck. VJing is a great way of learning how to use some tools that are used in TV. If you contextualize the VJ work you have done in TV terminology then it will be helpful to you getting a job in post production. (So rather than "VJ residency at local night club" you write "Creative direction and motion graphic design for an entertainment venue and youth culture brand") Do some freebies for your mates who work in broadcast, try and get a couple of broadcast credits, make some contacts (shootingpeople.co.uk) work on music videos and other low budget productions. Accept that the only way anyone gets a break in the film / TV world is by doing work for free or very low pay + thus building contacts and credits lists.

VJing should not be seen as a waste of time but as a way in which you can learn transferable skills. Nobody is ever going to get rich from VJing. Even making a decent living from it is too hard really. But it is a great way of trying out techniques and learning about production. The skill set of a VJ can be very useful to anyone who wants to work in broadcast or AV. Its not the be all and end all but it can certainly be a useful stepping stone on the way to a career in TV..

[john01]

I think there is potential for work with ambient media, the mapping stuff people have been showcasing here has great potential if you can swallow doing it under corporate direction.

So I'd rephrase Tom

"Creative and technical direction and motion graphic design for ambient media at an entertainment venue"

[fata alex]

Oh yeah Tom, i know it had nothing to do with the qualifications, i watched them being a van driver for a yewar or 2 before they got to hold a camera or a boom. And i thought they were the fools while i got the occaisional glamourous exciting job. I still only get the occaisional glamourous job, but i'd rather have regular and slightly less exciting work i think.
A year or 2 ago i applied for a job as a production assistant in a documentary prod company and a little way through the application process they were like 'you know this is gonna be walking the office dog and emptying bins right?' and i thought i was above that given that i was occaisionally paid well for making cool projections happen.
A couple of years on, I wish i'd taken that job, as by now i'd be making documentaries. (and in retrospect, getting paid to walk a dog and make tea sounds pretty good!)

But yes, I know you're right that vjing has transferable skills, just recently i got an awesome film job building them an isadora patch to use on set, definitely couldn't have done that without vjing.
But for most production jobs it just seems like having worked on festivals and in clubs isn't valid enough experience.