Brighton NYE VJ needed

[VJ BLOCTV]

NYE gigs seem to be a bit like buses for me this year.

Looking for someone to cover a semi regular gig at the Coalition club on the seafront for Floorplay.

One screen plug and play, just need to put a laptop on the table and off you go! The main thing they are concerned about is having a countdown at midnight. Pay is £100 for 10pm to 4am although as long as 11pm to 1am is covered well could get away with playing a DVD and having a few beers and a dance. Booze is normally supplied as is a couple of +1's

I can supply a few logo animations if you want to use them.

Please mail me at ryan@bloctv.com if you are interested or want any more info.

Cheers

[sleepytom]

for £100 i'll do the 10 seconds each side of midnight. (content will be countdown and message saying "Happy New Year" in Arial Bold. )

Jesus what is it with NYE budgets this year? Really?? I expect the bar staff are earning well in excess of £100.

Seafront clubs used to pay in excess of £1000 for NYE visuals.

[SteveG]

Hand out paper towels and sell the aftershave Tom you'll do better :D......sell you a mop and bucket;)

[vdmoKstaTi]

Hand out paper towels and sell the aftershave Tom you'll do better :D......sell you a mop and bucket;)

hahahhahahahahahah!!!


VJ BLOCTV...

your offer is a way too cheap... i would be saddened to see any vj actually agreeing to it.... and especially for New Years Eve...

[6071842]

I can supply a few logo animations if you want to use them.

errr maybes you should and all the content for the night. £100 for nye? thats just absolutely shit!

but I'm not in Brighton! good luck.

[deepvisual]

As this post is in the low/no pay section, there is very little to be gained in calling out the OP.

The lo/no pay section was brought in, in an effort to avoid exactly this kind of promoter baiting.

[SteveG]

Sorry Gary I strongly disagree with not giving individuals there say on what they see as very poor offers. My local pub pays a DJ over £200 to play christmas cheese with no countdown clocks or special messages....eh! in fact no visuals at all and he will play until around 2am. Again even small bars normally charge an admittance fee on NYE and pay their staff double time to work after midnight. If bars and clubs want visuals in an attempt to put on that little extras for their loyal clientele or in order to attract a crowd then they should be 1. Prepared to pay fairly. and 2. Be prepared to carry the risk. The VJ should not. I feel sorry for VJ's who are prepared to work for these sort of fees. Doing so you're really only paying for you to maintain your hobby if in fact your managing to do that. Perhaps another section titled - "Insulting and Ridiculous Offers" might be an idea.

[PCProject]

I have a foot in both camps

I agree with Gary that dragging somebody through the dirt over an offer of some pay isnt really a good thing

On the other hand I live in Brighton and personally wouldnt offer my services as I wouldnt do any other night of the year for that amount anyway

As an addendum my mate and his girlfriend were here the other night and she mentioned that she is getting GBP £14 an hour to collect glasses on New Years Eve as I think that puts the position VJs are being put in here very well

[SteveG]

I have a foot in both camps


Ditto Dave. I understand BlockTV's just passing an opportunity on and don't see Toms or the other comments as dragging him through the dirt, however, I do feel if nothing is said others will follow suit with there level of offer and if this is openly accepted for a NYE gig what will follow...£20 for Jan-Feb.....tell you what let's start paying the promoters to perform:( I feel that those lucky enough to receive better have the obligation to point it out to those who need a little steer on what is an acceptable fee or offer at times. At times we know it's beneficial to perform for less, free or whatever but that should be done between the individuals and not be allowed to drive fees lower still.....I just wish Tom had the same view when it came to the festival work ;)

[VJ BLOCTV]

Sorry to cause offence. Obviously mis understood purpose of the Low/No Pay Jobs section. I agree the offer is very poor and wasn't expecting a large response but thought that there might be someone out there who might be interested in cheap night out with some mates in exchange for a few visuals putting on a DVD.

I wouldn't do it for £100 but 10 years ago would have jumped at the chance so thought I might as well offer.

I'll close by saying it's not me promoting it so please don't shoot the messenger.:o

[PCProject]

maybe point out this thread to the promoter - as a messenger of course!

[mashie niblick]

...... and point him/her to this value for money job candidate on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DJ-2010-NEW-YEARS-EVE-PARTY-COUNTDOWN-VJ-VISUALIZATION_W0QQitemZ170420242360QQcmdZViewItemQ QptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR?hash=item27a dd687b8 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335818434&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2FDJ-2010-NEW-YEARS-EVE-PARTY-COUNTDOWN-VJ-VISUALIZATION_W0QQitemZ170420242360QQcmdZViewItemQ QptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR%3Fhash%3Dite m27add687b8)

[vjpixylight]

...... and point him/her to this value for money job candidate on eBay

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/DJ-2010-NEW-YEARS-EVE-PARTY-COUNTDOWN-VJ-VISUALIZATION_W0QQitemZ170420242360QQcmdZViewItemQ QptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR?hash=item27a dd687b8 (http://rover.ebay.com/rover/1/711-53200-19255-0/1?type=3&campid=5335818434&toolid=10001&mpre=http%3A%2F%2Fcgi.ebay.co.uk%2FDJ-2010-NEW-YEARS-EVE-PARTY-COUNTDOWN-VJ-VISUALIZATION_W0QQitemZ170420242360QQcmdZViewItemQ QptZUK_Computing_Software_Software_SR%3Fhash%3Dite m27add687b8)

lucky for VJ's, that that 4 quid crap isn't going to make it to many screens this NYE..:poke:

[6071842]

yeah good point all. my apologies (jumped on the bandwagon) but at least your offering it to someone and if i was starting out it might be something that i would have taken.

:D

[videoswitchboard]

content will be countdown and message saying "Happy New Year" in Arial Bold.



wow- you've pretty much described that ebay Dvd.

[mashie niblick]

Really Dav! I do hope you're not suggesting...... ;)

[sleepytom]

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I'll close by saying it's not me promoting it so please don't shoot the messenger.:o

As the messenger please tell the promoter to "Get Fucked" from all of us. I wasn't intending to have a go at you Ryan but if that is how much people are offering VJs these days for NYE then i'm quite shocked. If you know the promoter personally then you have to take some responsibility in not telling him that he needs to find at least £300 for the VJ on NYE.
NYE is the one night of the year where it is accepted that everyone who is working should be getting paid well, this is why Dave's glass collecting mate is getting £14/hour.

Low / No pay section is indeed for low / no pay jobs. But there is a big difference between say a couple of hours set in a bar in town on a Wednesday and all night on NYE in one of the bigger seafront clubs.

So thanks for passing on the offer, please do point the promoter to this thread in response.

[theLABvisuals]

As the messenger please tell the promoter to "Get Fucked" from all of us. I wasn't intending to have a go at you Ryan but if that is how much people are offering VJs these days for NYE then i'm quite shocked. If you know the promoter personally then you have to take some responsibility in not telling him that he needs to find at least £300 for the VJ on NYE.
NYE is the one night of the year where it is accepted that everyone who is working should be getting paid well, this is why Dave's glass collecting mate is getting £14/hour.

Low / No pay section is indeed for low / no pay jobs. But there is a big difference between say a couple of hours set in a bar in town on a Wednesday and all night on NYE in one of the bigger seafront clubs.

So thanks for passing on the offer, please do point the promoter to this thread in response.

I couldn't have put it better myself (even if I had tried).
Nicely said Tom. :cool:

[deepvisual]

Those of us old enough to remember back to NYE 1999/2000 will remember how admission prices skyrocketed to the point where everyone decided to stay in instead of going out and almost the entire entertainment industry failed to get paid.

I think this thread fails to take into account the depth of the recession we are experiencing. I'd say the days of asking top dollar may be over for some events, even if they are on sacred 'double bubble' new years eve.

I've met some desperate people lately in the biz who have never known what its like to be broke.

that said, you will make more money begging with a dog on a string than you will VJing for £100 a night.

[sleepytom]

Sorry Gary but a little bit of local knowledge goes a long way. Coalition is a 600 capacity seafront club. It is slightly more left field / low rent than its neighbors such as Digital or The Honey Club, but it is still slap bang in the middle of the most profitable clubbing area in south east england. On NYE "Limited Advance" tickets cost £15 + booking fee, Walk ups are £20. (they make a point of telling everyone how cheap this is)

The promoter thus has a minimum budget of £9000 (it will sell out easily regardless of the music due to the clubs central location) The DJs are Sean Hughes + the promoter and his mate (err sorry "Floorplay Residents") so even if they are stupid enough to of paid their "Name DJ" £5000 for a NYE set then they still have £4k to spend on the rest of the entertainment (which they seem to of done by paying 7 of their mates £500 as a resident DJ, then spent £400 on coke or whatever mixer they prefer leaving £100 for the VJ)

[fata alex]

I've been following this thread with interest (and could of sworn i posted earlier on it to defend ryan's position as messenger etc, but evidently not, i must have done it in a jetlag induced dream instead) and normally as im sure some of you will have noticed i tend to err on the side of 'any jobs a job' and its up to the individual whether or not to take, no need to jump into slagging matches etc...
but i've got to say re: tom's last post - point bloody well fucking made! even though you left out the (presumably pretty large) venue hire fee and cost of security (which some clubs pass on to promoter, some dont), the figures you throw out do paint a pretty picture of how outrageous the offer was.

[SteveG]

Surely this isn't VJ's finally starting to use figures is it :rolleyes: ...get to know your venues and keep up to date with DJ fees. Keep in mind at the moment most DJ agencies and management are, many of them, prepared to offer their services for a reduced fee making the profit margin even greater during the recession if they fill the venue. A few nights have of course reduced their door prices but many have remained the same.

[deepvisual]

most DJ agencies and management are, many of them, prepared to offer their services for a reduced fee making the profit margin even greater during the recession if they fill the venue.

I agree, but this avoids the bigger picture.
I've had 3 tours cancelled this year. Thats a total of nearly 8 weeks work for both me, the band and a string of promoters who can't get advanced ticket sales. Thats enough to take a small business to the point of collapse.
Its easy to knock promoters, but like everyone else, they have their place in the food chain and a lot of them are hurting too.

that one good night on 31st dec, may be the only thing keeping them from going bust. We dont know.
I'm sure there are plenty of sharks out there willing to milk the downturn, but its down to the individual whether or not they chose to do the work; which was the point of adding this section, so that people could post lo/no paid work without getting flamed - Tom.
The only outcome here, is that next time the OP gets a decent gig, they'll most likely rather give it to the glass collector than post it here.

[sleepytom]

I'm pointing out a job offer which is 1/3rd of the minimum i'd expect anyone to be offering for a gig in that venue on NYE.

I'm not wanting this to become a generalized have a go at any club promoters session, there are other venues in town which quite probably can't really afford more than £100 for a VJs wage. I was just pointing out to Ryan how piss poor this offer was given that it is in an established and profitable seafront venue on perhaps the only night of the year when you can guarantee a full house.

For any other night of the year I'd expect £150 minimum to play in Coalition, on NYE i'd want at least double time.

But that doesn't mean that I think that every gig in every club in Brighton should have a minimum fee of £150, plenty of clubs simply cannot afford that much money (I know, i've promoted some of them, and VJ'd at a hell of a lot more) - When the door is going to take £9k then their is some serious money knocking about, plenty of clubs down here though don't take anything like that much, and i know more promoters who've ultimately lost money from their nights than ones who've become rich from the club scene.

But this offer is shit. Simple as.

The point of this section was not so that people can post badly paid work without getting flamed. It was so that people had a section to offer opportunities at the lower end of the business, in smaller venues, at lower budget events. Not for one of the bigger venues in town to be able to find a VJ for NYE who will work for peanuts.

Previously the job offers section had no replies to avoid people flaming every offer that was less than top end, we now seem to of got past that stage and I hope we can view jobs on a case by case basis and where someone with experience of the venue / club / local scene sees that an offer is well under par they can bring up their concerns.

[deepvisual]

fair enough...

we'll have to find something else to disagree about..

[PCProject]

Im open to taking bets from both of you about 2 flys walking up a window if that helps

[deepvisual]

I think I'm losing my edge.
I was on my bike the other day when some 'south asian' chap deliberately and dangerously drove his car straight at me, then wound his window down and shouted, 'you bikers should slow down'. - not exactly the easiest thing to do in stationary traffic.
The last time this happened, things went badly wrong for the car driver. this time, I just smiled and said ' I think I'm old enough to make my own decisions thanks'