View Full Version : Crap:Clip Ratio
1st July 2003, 01:36 AM
Just out of curiosity, how much crap do people make, as compared to usable stuff that actually makes it to the show?
(i.e stuff that seemed like a good idea at the time, but reallly didn't work).
Also, where is the link (I'm sure this has been discussed) on approaches to creativity... that is, some people may
stage their video clips, some people get
footage from being in the right place at
the right time.... some people plan
computer animations, some are good
at tweaking the software intuitively.
1st July 2003, 02:19 AM
...includes recording my footage to hard disk while I actively experiment with different movies/pics and mix-modes. Whatever effects appeal to me make it to the final edit. From there I go to DVD and mix live. It has been a very productive method for me. About 35-40% of what I mix gets cut. So to answer your question, yes I make a lot of crap (that almost no one ever sees) but it's worth mentioning that my friends love parts that I cut so IS it crap? :rolleyes: :nod: One mans crap is another fertilizer:confused:
1st July 2003, 08:13 AM
Same here - I shoot limited footage, due to the ridiculous amount of time it takes logging every shot on 3 or 4 tapes. Planning and a bit of fore-thought about what you want saves so much time. I try not to throw anything away - just every now and then go through my rendering drive and burn all the odd clips to CD Rom (DVD iminent!) its a shag, but well worth it as I've frequently gone to those back-up disks to pull out a useful clip! I'm now getting to a stage where I need to keep a written log with basic descriptions of each clip, as I've got hundreds now and the titles that made sense at the time seem a little obscure a month later! Don't worry about wastage though if it works for you - after all, we're not talking expensive film-stock here are we?
2nd August 2003, 07:34 AM
i often work on stuff that seems like a good idea then when i'm done it looks like shit , but the prosses will either provide a mistake the looks great or will give me ideas on the less is more kind of thing (that's not to say i don't have my good days). i say 70% crap , but 30% gold , and out of that 30% maybe a third i'll keep in the mix . it's the prosess that's the buzz , makeing more stuff , keeping it fresh and creating , so even if i only keep that 10% , it's 10% of a lot , and always growing . besides i have to at least look like i'm working , to keep the scam alive . :lol: :roll: :lol:
2nd August 2003, 08:06 AM
We have loads and loads of DV stuff that we've filmed and not used (yet). Pretty much all of this _might_ be useful so there's no way we'd delete it. We don't tend to be to fastidious about logging every last shot on every tape - as long as we know where to find each sequence of shots then that's enough.
Then we have clips that we've made but would never use in gigs. Most of these we will delete immediately, because they just don't look right (often a tweak will lead to an improved version that we do use). It's impossible to estimate the ratio that these clips comprise because it varys hugely.
Then there are clips that we don't use for the gig we were creating them for, but we keep because the effect was cool. These will often lead to a whole series of clips when we return to them and explore that idea more fully. There are usually a few of these per gig - they often result from effects not turning our quite how we expected.
At the moment, we're creating between 2 and 10 Gb of content per gig (including some duplicates in different codecs for resolume and our MPEG2 player). We back everything from each gig up to DVD so that we can get it when we need it. Stuff for our residencies stays on our drives because we add to the pool rather than creating stuff fresh for those gigs.
3rd August 2003, 04:52 AM
we shoot a lot of video content and try to make use of as much of it as possible. a 1 hour tape typically contains 25% - 50% of usable footage. we capture as much as possible and add effects, tweak levels, and edit where needed to get an interesting clip. even after that, we're sometimes not completely excited with the final prodcut and the clip ends up sitting around wasting HD space.
i've been trying to focus more of my time creating custom flash, after effects, or 3D work. i feel i have more control of the output and can make variations for a more themed set of clips or just to have more content. if i get bored of the clip(s) i can go back and tweak teh source files accordingly.
all this leads to many gigs of unorganized folders and file names.
3rd August 2003, 07:49 AM
how much is crap?
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