vj central gig

[unjulation]

o.k. one and all hears the latest, the film festi gig is runing from the 3 to the 13 of october, so if we whant to do a central gig it will be then.
we have the nod to do it but it's up to us, haveing talked to several people both hear in leeds and at central i dont want it to become just a leeds based thing it should come from central as the driving force.
i'm at the moment aplying for funding for it, basicly it would be nice to pay expensiss for one and all that whant to get involved, but this is not writen in stone it all depends upon what people do.
haveing talked to the resolume, flowmotion, 2bit tv and a few outhers at the vj net gig they all seamed interested (but we understand that it's easy to say yes within a space like that, and i would have to get some kind of confermation, one way or outher)
I personely would sergest that the overall gig be split into two parts very simerler to the vj net gig

1) the conferance/workshop:- "in the mix" - haveing 3 aspects
a)what it means to party in the 21st centurey this i see conectects to the fundermental aspects of the space that we are involved within, why are we as human beings going out and conecting in the way that we do
b) an overall understanding how we as inderviduals/groups create this space, both theoretical and practicaly
c) what the indervidual V.J. brings to the space it's self

2) a show case of inderviduals work within a party seting

(of corse these are just ideas, but it gives something to work with)

now if we look at the initial 3 points we can fit anything that an indervidual whants to bring to it within the structure, wether that be software/hardware designers, concept idea creators or the bisness side understanding, whatever, its up to us

if we go with the idea of the workshop as free and the night time gig as a paying thing (i'm a bit scared that i'm useing to much of the vj net gig structure as a blueprint and every one is going to tern around and say unj your riping it of) then lets talk about some basic cash levels if we got 500 people paying ?8 we would have ?4000 to play with to create the gig, if we got 1000 paying ?8 we got ?8000 to create this space and that's without any type of funding whats-so-ever

now by the very nature of somthing like this there is a lot of room for sponsership/funding

basicly we would be seling how amazing something like this would be for a company to get envolved within

anyway thers the inital ideas i'm opening it up to you to respond one way or anouther

unj:)

[spark]

all good all good all good. shame I missed you at vjs.net

i think the basic format is sound, and proven. i'm a great believer in an evolutionary approach, so don't worry about similarities to vjs.net, rather lets build on what it showed to work and take it to the next level with our ideas...

before defining the three conference aspects i think we need to work out exactly who this is for, is a 'vj' someone who works exclusively in a club/party environment or someone who has a new skill set that can be applied in a much wider context. do we want to develop ourselves within the existing scene or develop the scene, if you see what i mean. this kind of understanding is crucial to getting sponsorship.

if we are going to try and get 1,000 people in for a one-off event my experience says we need to arrange a big name as we need to draw in say 800 randoms who essentially know nothing of visuals, and i'm sure there will be other nights in competition for those punters. whadda reckon? do we have any markets to break into... art students, film festival punters (how many) etc

btw the dates are very good - lots of students back from the break with fresh loans in their accounts!!!

cheers,

toby

[snapdragon]

This sounds cool.

If the night was very closely linked to the film festival, this could attract funding and maybe could get greater exposure through the film festival. perhaps there could be promotion through the film festival....

i would like to see a greater diversity of acts in the show, i thought the vjs gig didn't show as much variety as exists in the vj world and tended to concentrate on hip-hop and chilled beats. I'd like to see some theatre, perfomance art, live music, jungle, elecrotonic and hip hop and crazy shit.

i live in edinburgh and would be well up for doing stuff, i perfom with a band called 'arctic circle' - we play live dark analogue electonica. i also do club stuff randomly....

another thought, the edinburgh festival puts on a few big parties for delegates and press etc. this obviously costs a load of money, presumeably the leeds festival does the same kinda thing, maybe we could put it on for them? as well as the vj central gig, or possibly combined... that might generate extra money...

[unjulation]

fair comments mate

as for the three aspects i was realy trying to create an idea that can be used as a springbord for people to agree or disagree with just to get the discushion going and i defiantly like the idea of makeing it open to a wider audiance

yes your right about useing a big name for the gig its self, genarely i'm playing to about 400 people give or take a 100 or so. so there is a basic crowed already set up but to get more people in your right need some kind of big atraction

i've already been in contact with the northen film school
http://www.lmu.ac.uk/hen/aad/nfs/whatnew/whatshot.htm
with conection to the v.j. workshop that i'm runing so i reckon that they might be interested, i've also got contacts at leeds colague of art and design which i can chase up
http://www.leeds-art.ac.uk/

as for compertition there will allways be that but i've already spoke to a few v.j.'s from other groups who would be well up for it so by geting them involved we are knocking our compertion down

[unjulation]

oh i should note that the film festi has already agread to help with venue and advertiseing :)

[eXhale]

there was a film festival in my city 10 days ago and every night they organized a gig with visuals. the visuals were pretty poor in my opinion (except hexstatic show!) but i found that the two (film festival + visuals on music) were going extremly well together, especially if, as spark said, we want to get out of the mere "club culture". so the more i think about it, the more i think that a partnership with the leeds film festival could make this vjcentral gig a perfect event :)

when you said a "big name", did you think about a DJ/musician or VJ/viewsician? in the VJ scene there aren't many big names, except people like coldcut or the light surgeons, but they were all at the vjs.net party :p

[holgerLicht]

i agree with eXhale, a filmfestival also gives a chance to show the diversity in working with the video/audio connection.

but to get away from the mere club culture and dj/vj thing also means to plan a different kind of event. example: we did the vj-nights party at the european media art festival and selected a program that also featured more experimental and concert like audiovisual acts. but what happens if you plan it like a party? people show up after midnight and they want to dance. so we placed the concert like act (vitascope from glasgow who was really great!) before midmight and told everybody / wrote on the flyers to show up early. it didn?t work. if you do that acts later at night people start getting impatient.

so, how to get that going? maybe choose a venue with two floors.

[spark]

just been on vjc chat with unjulation and exhale about this. if you're interested in the event, make sure to log in to the chat for this wednesday's weekly vjc session. and we'll take it from there.

[unjulation]

mmmm..... multi-space venues are a defernate must for a gig like this especialy if we do a workshop/conferance during the day which by the very nature of it we would need more then one space to hold the various aspects of it.

allso i dont fancy tating down all the equipment and then seting it up else ware so idealy we would get a space with at least 2 if not 3 or more rooms this would then allow for both a party space, a more experimental audio-visual space and then maybey a chill out or just anouther full on space.

doing it like this would allso allow far more v.j.'s to play and get involved

there are a few clubs with more then one room which i can check out, but i'm also looking into outher venues as well, such as the town hall which has been used before by krews like godskitchen or some of the wall venues like warehouse spaces.

[Anyone]

Sorry guys,

this is all good to talk and debate about
where when how and why we should do a vjc event,

but the thuth of it is that talk is cheap.

I've offered my event (VECTORS) as a platform
and host for a vjc event.

Vectors is at AKA bar, Central London.
Which is perfect for a VJC event.
(C standing for Central I think?)

Also I'm quite sure that
if I pitch it to them properly, I may get The End club,
so we can make it a two room event,
especially since I got already a foot in the door,
and also because the Ocean VJ event is still
fresh in everyone's mind...

But I dont think we should wait around for
grants people to wake up and realize to late that
VJing is truly an emerging artform

so for now, I'd just like the VJC top guys to get in touch
with me so I know exactly what to pitch for The End people.
Let's get this show done and dusted.

VJ NE1

[eXhale]

Unjulation has already done quite a lot of work regarding Leeds (made a deal with the film festival organizers, applied for funding, etc). There is admitedly a lot of work left to do but you can't really say "talk is cheap", it's kind of insulting for all the efforts unjulation has already done.

Anyway, be sure to come on the chat meeting on Wednesday so we can ALL discuss about this (there is no such thing as "VJC top guys", this community is based on consensus, or at least we try). We all want this event to happen.

[unjulation]

Sorry guys, this is all good to talk and debate about where when how and why we should do a vjc event, but the thuth of it is that talk is cheap.

hears how cheap my talk is anyone,

I've just been in a meating with Chris Fell the managing director of the film festival and have been offerd either the Leeds art galery or the town hall for the conferance section of the gig plus free advertising from them

because of my involvement with swithced on and the workshop that i am runing at the leeds colague of art and design i have accsess to a whole range of computers, desktops/laptops video projectors, etc

perlimary funding aplications have been organised and are been considerd by Yorkshire Arts, I will also be looking to switched on to help take some of the financial berden

the responsess i have got from people both hear at vjc and in leeds to get involved has been overwelmingly posotive

I realy don't whant to get into an argument about this anyone but i've just spent the last two months working on this project when i got the go-ahead from Exhale, so if the overall opion from people at vjc is do it at vectors then fine i'm not going to argue so the only thing to do is open it up to people hear to have there say

[spark]

ditto exhale's comments.

lets all be there for the chat rather than sideswipe...

[wellREDman]

APT visuals are definately up for being a part of this,
leeds sounds better(film fest, advertising venue etc. )
anyway, where's the novelty in visiting London? seems to me too many things are londoncentric anyway
it seemed to me that the problem with the vjnet gig was that noone was quite sure who it was aimed at, vjs getting together?
introducing people to visuals?
and noone was dancing til coldcut came on
I think with the exposure/advertising unj seems to be generating it would be good to target it at people who are not" in the know" about visuals and focus on broadening vj awareness amongst the general public so yeah getting in some big "names" on the music side will def. help bring the punters and putting them in a supporting role and having lots of workshops showing just how we do our thing will add to this effect
just a thought
RED
(cheers morph when u call me that it makes me feel like a redneck)

[spark]

woah after a hectic chat session this is the bottom line:

email your thoughts to me by monday 24th, i'll collate it all and we'll have the base to build this event upon. this is your chance to really have a say...

toby

[Anyone]

thanks for your comments (read the VJC chat minutes also)
didnt want to upset any of you,

but I'm passionate about what I do and sometimes
that a creates an emotional response (sorry)

I do think it's important to do a bespoke VJ festival in Leeds,
and of course I'd love to help if I can on that
But the logistics of it are elaborate and
as you said unj, you've been working on it for months ...

in the meantime,
Vectors' infrastructure is already set up and running
and doing a VJC gig there would involve a minimum
amount of effort and you'd have created a precedent for
any future and more ambitious projects.

WellREd, I agree that there is no
novelty about a London gig,
but my proposal is not about doing something huge and never seen.

it's more about consistancy,
about maintaining a habit for punters,
that between festivals they continue to expect quality visuals
as a mandatory part of their clubbing experience.

apologies about saying "top guys"
I just naturaly look up to VJC editors...
I was simply implying my wish to communicate
directly with someone who could give me an answer
on a VJC Vectors gig an possible dates...

sincerely,
NE1

[unjulation]

no problem mate we all get pasionate about this work that we do if you didn't i'd be more woried :)

of corse get involved send ideas to spark by monday

[unjulation]

spark, any ferther with the coalation of input from people yet?

[unjulation]

just thought i'd post this up and see what people think, as it says it's just ideas but lets get this moveing

V.J.CENTRAL

Thoughts/ideas/concepts they are in no particular order

Organization: - there has to be some basic structure for any project like this to work
A core group of individual?s ware the buck stops at is needed both for continuity and decision making

The organization its self can be as a lose structure as is felt workable but there has to be a group of individuals who can make disions about the gig and carry them out

This helps both the core members and the periphery members of the organization knowing which individual is in ?charge? of which aspect of the gig is invaluable

The process of choosing individuals for particular roles can be as abateriy or as thought out as wanted

Is there going to be an overall co-coordinator to this structure and in tern the gig?

there role would be to lease between the various groups making sure the left hand knew what the right hand was doing

due to the nature of the set up of this gig I would envisage defining the various roles that individuals could take on board and fulfill depending upon location (theirs no point asking exhale to organize a bus from London to Leeds ) level of commitment including individual available time and resources, etc. I see it possible to get involved on various levels the overall structure should be able to cope with it

What are the various roles that will be involved within a structure such as this?

Financial control of the overall project or producer/manager, will it be an individual or a group?

Will there be one personnel who takes final responsibility for the project or will it be a communal responsibility, remember that if it all goes belly up if it is communal control every one of the core group will have to take on board the responsibility of sorting it out but would also gain far more due to that responsibility

Apart from the various roles (as yet un-defied) there would have to be a group of people at ground zero in Leeds that would be able to take care of the organization needed hear

This group would be most likely be dealing with the day to day nitty-gritty of the organization of the gig

What happens if we make a profit?

What happens if we make a loss?

Will the final decisions regarding who gets to play etc be communally decided by everyone involved the core group or just one person?

Having wrote this so far it seem to be that there is two aspects to this which roles will be handled by an individual and which will be handled by group dission

Again it is vital to have these roles defined early on in the game to avoid confusion and augment later


Possible roles (not a full list)

what these roles should be seen as a individual who has the final responsibility for said role, of course other people would be able to give ideas/suggestions to people in another role but again one person needs to be able to take responsibility for each aspect

Funding organizer
Overall co-coordinator
Artist?s booking organizer
Technical supervisor, audio and visual being separate (depending upon venue)
Environmental traceformation co-coordinator (depending upon venue)
Equipment co-coordinator
Financial co-coordinator/producer
Advertising even thou the film festi will be advertising us in all there own advertising I would suggest that we would have to create our own flyers and posters
What other roles need filling

Equipment

Due to the nature of a gig like this the equipment list needs to be pretty extensive, of course this would be dependent upon the venue and what they have but we would have to supplies a hell of a lot ourselves I would see that this equipment come from people hear in the u.k, unless anyone from abroad wants to specifically bring there own hardware

Equipment list (not extensive)

Video projectors
Mixing desks
Computers, both desktops and laptops
Video players

If we look at the various aspects of this gig we can clearly see that we are going to need quite a number of the above.

As before depending upon the venue we may be in the situation ware we have to hire lighting etc

Due to the level of funding that I perceive that we are going to be getting (i.e. we aint going to be given 10?s of thousands) we are going to have to pull in a lot of favors and freebies whether from our own stock or friends and associates

Who are we going to be able to pay for doing the actual gig its self again there will have to be some kind of sliding scale, of course it would be grate to be able to pay everyone for there time and effort but I don?t see that it will be possible so how do we deal with this?

Venue

Club vs. other

There are pros and cons of each one again this is not a comprehensive list

Club: - pros: sound system, lighting system, bar and beer license, security staff
Cons: Losing control of all sorts aspects of the gig, not been able to create the space that we want to, having to deal directly with that corporate attitude, dodgy club d?cor

Other :- pros: more control over the space, interesting venue, having a blank canvas allows us to decide what and ware it is set up inside, an overall more pleasant vibe can be created by us, a bigger learning curve for all who are involved in the show
Cons: more work involved in organization, more expensive

These are just my initial ideas there will be more to come, ?cos I always forget something and have to post an update, and all these are just organization ideas I haven?t even touched upon concept ideas yet.

[Anyone]

great comments unj,

this really strikes a cord to my mind...

first let me say that I totally agree with the fact that there needs to be a central administrative core to this project. this is an important step to giving VJC the recognition it needs and it needs to be nurtured properly.

(that's what i meant by top guys...I meant there needs to be decision makers who will be taking initiative)

In terms of funding and all, we should definitely use some good advice from VJs.net, even hire one or two of them just as consultants.

I know they've been helped a lot moneywise by Nesta...

That's the thing :
if you want something big it wont be spontanious. It'll take a lot of organisation and funding-form filling-up.

if you want something more modest but which involves a minimum of logistics, please, give me a call...

it's all good,
VJ NE1

[unjulation]

these are some more ideas, they are pureley mine and have not been coalated with any of the outher stuf serplied from outhers which i'll post up under these, so thanks for the coments from spark and aveja, but surley there must be some outher ideas from people

1) ?The conference?
2) ?The art space?
More thoughts ideas concepts (these are moving into or are based upon ?the ideal?)

3 time zones that flow through the day

3) ?The party?

The conference

The basic idea of communicating and discussing our ?art? between ourselves and to others
To be able to communicate ourselves we must also understand what it is that we are doing ? so this leads into the aspects of how we do it.

Who are we aiming this at? As above I think it should be a two aspect approach of forwarding our own understanding of what we are doing as V.J.?s and opening doors to other people to get involved/experience this audio-visual world

Is it possible to meld these two diverse aspects of what we are trying to do?

?Talks/discussions? specific overall topics that cover aspects of the work that we do
set up this with a panel of opinions that start discussing the topics then opening it up to the floor allowing the audience there inputs within the discussion space (a lot will depend upon the host of the discussion to be aware of the flow of conversation happening between the three aspect, a) the topic b) the panel of ?opinions? c) the audience)

Topics? What it means to party in the 21st century, how do we create the parties, what does the individual V.J. bring to the space
Guest?s? It would be god to get opposing or at least differing views within the ?opinion? panel

Workshops: - open plan or timed? In other words do we create a structure of the workshop or do we leave it open and allow people to drop in and out?
I suppose that it depends upon what the particular workshop is about.

The ?drop in? nature of the computer software space worked well at v.j.net, more hands on demonstration then workshop ? it would have been nice to have them hooked up to projectors rather then just computer screens
Software :- resolume, flowmotion, vjam, visual jockey, aestesis

Krew/indervidual audio-visual demonstration space (sound cross-contamination will be a concern how we actually create this space, depending upon the venue, whether we have more then one krew/indervidual on at a time and how we stage this part)

Static multi-media installation/Straight short film showing: - northern film school, Leeds colleague of art and design, oblong studios, switched on,

It would be nice if the above two were in and around the bar/caf? space so people will take them on board rather then if they were just in a space with people just walking past, people would be there naturally due to the pub/caf?


Time line: - this needs to be looked at carefully because of the nature of having to use two venues
Which then brings in the problem of moving people between these two venues, thou they can be seen as two separate audiences that have a large cross-over

Cheaper tickets if you by them at the conference space and in advance, then depending where you position the ticket sale?s within the conference you draw an individual through various audio-visual experiences

How we set out the space it?s self will of course be determined by the venue it?s self 80-90% but there are certain ways that we can stage the overall space and ?experiences? that can draw someone through and in to

This is even more so when you create the gig space

[unjulation]

hear are some thoughts ideas from outhers, keep sending them in

aveja
its definately a good thing to show the street level talent around as there are so many people to choose from but equally i would agree that the event does need a bigger magnet. But who to approach?. I can think of think of the usual names such as coldcut, hexstatic etc. Tom middleton even underworld come to mind in the extreme although i dont think anything like this will be as fresh as i hope we would all like. It would be cool to try and arrange some kind of collaboration with a respescted musician. Could it be possible to tap into other markets influence. The big chill has worked hard at producing the kind of feeling that i would love to see at the vjc event, sponser ship, collaboration using acts that appear there as regulars. I think they would be good to contact.
People have been talking about marketing it to vjs or to the public but we clearly have to target both for it to be a big success.
The link with the leeds film festival is v good. I think it gives us much more power when selling ourselves and will hopefully help us achieve something quite different and special.

Thought s on the conference - could it be possible to get some guest lectures set up about our culture and work. I saw a lecture a few weeks ago by a guy from Wizard of OS lecturing about copyright and the ways that technology will allow reinforcement of these laws and the implications of this in our culture. I think anyone interested in technology will appreciate this and it looks at the problem of copyright that is so close to many peoples work. Could be a bit heavy but i found it quite interesting,

I really like the idea of having an open mixing session where people could come and plug in and play. We could send an invite out through vjc.

i think multiple rooms would be good. The size of the ocean main room at vjs was quite huge, it would have been good to have some more intimate spaces. I would like to see some installations of sorts as well, differnt environments created with props or slide projectors. At vjs i didnt think they had made much of an effort at dressing the place up, i can appreciate that it was focusing on vjing itself but a lot of vjs out there are also involved in a whole range a visual effects and decor, it would be could to utilze them. Its quite possible to get a lot through Vj central as a communication device. You can place adds for a dedicated suggestion box for improvements or dreams, place ads for skills required, staff etc etc.

variety is something people are asking for - a range of differnet vj applications would be nice but i dont know what people have to offer, its not often i get to see other artists. Could we ask for appliactions through vj forums ? It would be nice to go the other way as well by showing film thats graphically and musically orientated. Richard fenwick crops to mind , some one dot zero stuff. Would it be worth contacting them aswell. i think the light surgeons have quite close links with one dot zero. Would love to see them again but it would have to be a new show, i think they`ve been doing the gilligans travels thing for a while now.

An aveja room looking at street level talent?


spark

>> VJCentral EVENT

>> DEVELOPMENT DOC v1

input from unjulation, exhale, spark, visnaut

28/06/02

this is just an outline to be fleshed out

>> CONTENTS

1 > Aims
2 > Admin
3 > Content
4 > idea space

>> 1 AIMS

> 1.1 network vjc members
get us together in real time, real space. (why?)

> 1.2 develop vj scene

> 1.3 represent street level and cutting edge visualists

>> 2 ADMIN

>2.1 Steering Group
a group of people responsible for making the core decisions and keeping the wider project together, not day-to-day details

>2.2 Specialists
people or groups tasked to organise/produce specific aspects, largely ?on the ground?.

>2.3 Timeline
Late June ? formal collaboration starts
[?deadlines, meets, agendas, all sorts ?]
11/12 October ? likely weekend

>2.4 Finance

>2.5 Project Management

> 2.5.1 website
our own mini site covering: promotion, internal affairs, open forums. This document will evolve into an internal section of the site.

>> 3 CONTENT

> 3.1 Programme events
we need to decide on the number and type of events. main contenders listed so far

> 3.1.1 Workshops
aimed at existing vjs to develop the scene internally. ?building the new skills?

> 3.1.2 ?Arty?
aimed at film festival goer / cultural types to develop scene critically. ?pushing the boundaries?

> 3.1.3 ?Party?
aimed at clubbers to develop scene ?on the street?. ?contemporary culture?

> 3.2 Programme structure

> 3.2.1 two events
have workshops and combined arty/party event all held in festival space

> 3.2.2 three events
afternoon: workshops, festival space
evening: arty, festival space
night: party, existing club or festival space

>> 4 IDEA SPACE

> 4.1 Possible collaborators
Laptop Jams ? open invite audiovisual jams, monthly, brighton (spark)
Aveja ? uk centric vj collective formed from eyecandy, street level, diverse (spark)
Fuel Records ? mobile PA from two American muscle cars, live & scratch dj electro breaks music and strong visual stylings. (spark)
Drum?n?Bass Arena (www.breakbeat.co.uk) ? website and promoters, stream gigs etc. (spark)
VJS.NET ? we need to work out our relation to them!!!!

> 4.2 CDROM/DVD
would be really good to get something tangible out of this, like a cd sampler of all the acts involved that could really help publicise the scene and promote ourselves.

> 4.3 Open Mixing Session
plug in and play

> 4.4 vj oscars and regional heats
what about having some form of competition or vj oscars, with regional heats that could be held at something like london?s vectors? Maybe something not quite as competitive for these early days, but there?s something here?

[Anyone]

.

what are our deadlines?
have we booked any venues yet?
do we need to send any funding forms by a certain date?
do we know when our headliners are available and NOT available?
have we compiled a budget or balance sheet of expenses and revenues?

[unjulation]

the gig 5th or 12th october

advertiseing with the festi it's self augest deadline, so it would be nice to have a definate idea of who and what we want and poss booked

the funding from yorkshire arts is a once a month rolling funding, i'm talking to "swithced on" at the moment, any outher funding sponsership ideas need to be looked at very quickley

who are our headliners?

got a very simple outline i'll type it up and post soon

[phluxm]

Boink!!!
:sad:
Dude- Keep me posted.....


Me love Yorkshire and me VJing.. I'm well up for being involved.

Unj - Respect

[unjulation]

I'd like to set up a time in the chat room spercifickly for the vjc gig
anyone have anytimes that suite them better? personely earlier then 11pm gmt would be good for me let us know

[eXhale]

yep i think we can make it earlier than 11pm, since most likely the americans/australian won't be interested in taking part of it... i can be here at any hour. i missed lots of things lately because of broken internet connection and weird sleeping hours (to say the least, i slept between midnight and 2am last night... :rolleyes: ) but i promise to make it next time :)

[hamageddon]

can't say u missed *anything*, x.....
but, yeah, i support the idea of an early schedule
and what about putting this special thing on another day?

[unjulation]

fine by me, how about 9 pm gmt on a tuesday or thersday?

[Anyone]

how about thursday 9pm?

[eXhale]

glad to hear about this hama :p (or not)

next thursday @ 9pm is fine with me, i know i'm probably too far away to be of much help for the gig but i'll do what i can :) (does http://gig.vjcentral.com work for everyone btw?)

[unjulation]

sounds good on both counts Exhale :)

[Anyone]

ok, cool, great,
thusday 11th july 9PM greenwich time ?
It's in my diary!

[unjulation]

http://www.vrleeds.co.uk/portals/cornex_portal.html

just one of the spaces that i'm looking into, it's a lovley space but you would only be able to use one sound system and as you can see it is "shoping time" during the day, plus it's expensive ?1500 the last time i cheked :(
pros :- lovely space (set and seting), non corprate atitude-we would have to serplie bouncers etc which would give us more controle over the overall feel, it's got a good reputaion for good party's when they put them on, blank canvas to do what we whant with.
cons :- expensive, more so because we have to serplie everything

can we run the conferance and the gig in this same space? yes but we would need to make compermises about what we are aiming to do and how meny diferant things we have going, would it be ok if we had shopers in and around the space during the day? there are the spaces in there to create the various aspects that we whated but they would have to be modified to fit the space, if we did it hear then we would get a definate audiance through the day but would we want to be in a market?

questions, questions

anyway i've been trying to get photos of all the clubs/possible spaces in leeds so you guys have an idea of what is hear to use, and yes i will get a rough budget plan out soon, i've just been finishing of work for the workshop starting wedensday 10/7/2002

[unjulation]

A up guys and girls hears some more of the rant, extracts of a mail i sent out while i was writing it it became obvious that it should be posted up hear

The origanel idea behind what the v.j.central gig was a to make the site/experiance a bit more tangable rarther then the vertiual experiance that it is at the moment, which has, like the way of these things developed into somthing diferant created through comunication between people at vjcentral, based on the idea of comunication between each outher and the outside world, linked up to meny aspects of our lives working within the industriy that we do. So in one way it will folow along simaler lines as the vj net gig. Discusion, demanstration and involvment, but have it's own identiy and perpose. I see the aims of the two as being very simerler in there esance, so unfortuantly parales will be drawn.
Also within this whole experiance is the understanding that it gives people an opatunity to be a part of the organisation experiance. Lerning one of the most valubal life lessons of, you can D.I.Y. it.
so the basic preposel was to create a physical reality of the web world that lots of us our part of, this has now moved into something much wider and more inclusive. From both outher poeples desire and my own reacent and ongoing experiance of conducting workshops.
at this stage there seems to be an colectivly growing pitcher of the whole experiance.
3 main aspects-
A) The conferance: discusions upon subjects that mater to us, haveing the involvolvment of the audiance to a level ware they are participating within the actual growing discusion is an important factor within this. People have things to say. Kilroy styley?
Hands on demanstration/involvement of equipment and software.
Insterlationl V.J.'ing and low key sounds within a space people naturaly congragate i.e. bar. Giving space to show a wide range of visuals and film work from meny sorces, Northen film school, local and no headlining V.J.'ing, etc.
B) The arty space: Experimental visuals and sounds, this can be seen as a continuation of the insterlation space but less low key and due to the timeing haveing a far more concantrated audiance awarenes.
C) The party: your basic common-and-garden party experiance. 1 or 2 soundsystems. (Venue dependant.) Playing with visuals brought to the fore of the experiance, this is not just about the tunes this is about the whole experiance and what we as visual artist's can bring to it. (The publisity should reflect this.)
Chill out space , again there is a continuation of the the "arty" space within hear but keyed up to the time and space.
Venue depending; Insterlationl film work and performance.
So that's the basic idea at the moment as far as i can see it's now up to who picks up the baton as to what it will actualy become.
Unj :)

[eXhale]

Sounds great unju, you seem to have a clear understanding of the situation and personnaly I can say this is exactly how I was seeing the VJC gig when we first started to talk about it :) Giving as much space as possible for other projects is important, this is why the choice of the venue is important. I checked the Cornex thing but I don't really see how this building could be used for what we want to do? Maybe it's just the pictures on the site which are confusing... Would it be for the 3 parts of the "gig"?

[unjulation]

I went over to the corn exchange today, and yes the pichters are very confusing cos i got there 360 download and it just dont show the fact that there are two usable floors and a bar space, my only concern with this place is that during the day it's trendy shoping space with cafe's and bar, but this in it's self would create a flow of people that would not normaly be exposed to this sort of thing, but on the outher hand would people feel confertable doing doing it hear? anyway i'll talk to people tonight.

[unjulation]

p.s. I might be a little late gota to sort out some stuf for my workshop, which by the way is running grate :)

[hyperdimensional]

Hi,

It looks like I've come into this post quite late but I am willing to offer my services in any way I can, even if it's just with lugging equipment around. Unj, have you checked out http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/ ? They seem to offer loads of funding oportunities.

Ben

[unjulation]

a up lad how go's it? defanitly get involved, ware are you based? cheers for the link very usefull, so apart from funding at the moment the next priority is geting acsess to cheep/free equipment so if you have any contacts in that feild let us know
anyway come along to the chat on thersday night

[hyperdimensional]

I'm based just outside Coventry at the moment. Sorry, I don't have any equipment contacts or much kit at the moment. After I've paid off my student debt, I shall be investing very heavily. (so I might have something by october!?!)

What time is the meeting on thurs? I've scoured the posts and I can't find any reference to it.

Cheers,

Ben.

[unjulation]

sorry mate it's in there someware but we are runing them from 9 pm gmt or maybe i should say bst
anyway X maybe you should put a note up about the perticular time/day about the gig meeting?

[stevefromNewcastle]

Right unjulation, I think I can help on the equipment front.
I live in Newcastle, want to get involved in the gig and am quite happy to rig. I have

Access to
1 x 2000 lumens projector
3 or more 1000 lumen projectors
2 cradles
Various projector supports etc.
2 x 8x6 screens
Grass valley distribution amp with 6 modules, which can be used individually or chained.
1x Ave55 mixer
3 or more SVHS video recorders
Plenty of preview monitors
Computer + laptop
150m plus of screened BNC video cable, varying lengths
Power distribution
DV camera
This is all flightcase ready to roll if you want it, and I am very flexible on price (free if needed

I would happily get involved in organising or stage managing the event I have plenty of experience. So if I can help email me and I will give you my mobile number.

Also anyone wanting to get to Leeds cheap from Europe could get the ferry in to Newcastle, and I can definitely sort a mini bus to get us to Leeds very cheaply.

[unjulation]

all good stuf matey :) sent you an e-mail and hope to hear from you soon
unj :)

[unjulation]

Anouther venue that i'm looking in to
http://www.granary-wharf.co.uk/eventspace.htm

[snapdragon]

is the granary now regularly being used for clubs?

last new year I vjed at the granary for a sidfox night featuring slam and jel ford. its a bit of a weird venue, cos although its really big, theres a load of giant pillars everywhere, making the sight-lines quite tricky for screen placements - this could be solved by having a lot of screens though :)

also the organisers had to get in a load of portaloos cos the venue didn't have any toilets! and i think it was v. expensive, but i guesss new year would have had a lot to do with that.

[unjulation]

ah so you were the V.J.
i didn't actualy go to the gig but i know the sidfox crew very well, infact pete who does there sounds will be doing our gig and lisa one of the organisors is helping with the corn x venue idea and put forward the idea of the granery warf so the info about sight lines is very usefull, yep the place is realy trying to push it's self as a club at the moment
anyway good to hear from you and hope you get involved
unj :)

[michaelheap]

hi guys

finance is a big problem, Vj day cost us alot of cash & 6months to organise. what do you have in plan?

the biggest problem we had is trying to get normal bods thru the door, Vj's arnt a problem but trying to get normal paying members through the door is a dificulty esp. now that the clubscene is cooling its heels.

in a word dont spend money thinking you will get it back, you most probably wont.

would love to hook up with you guys at a later date so we can share the details of running large vj events

michael heap

[unjulation]

dont whant to sound condersending in any way, form or maner to you sir but as i've never made any mony in the last 15 years of doing this, i kinda know what the score is, personely this is what i do (i'm not very good at anything else?!?) so hay what the fuck why not try and make something happen? which probebly dont sound good (shrugs sholders) but for some reason it's happaning. if we take on bord that the space has a flow of people in there anyway and we are conected to the film festi then how can we lose (that and the fact that people have a vested interest in it working) i personealy think that we should go for it, but what do i know, all i am is someone who has spent 15 years makeing no mony what-so-ever out of this industriey.
by the way why are you not interested in geting involved at this point?

[unjulation]

sory mate that was way to harsh and un-called for and i must apologise for my rudenes.

[elbows]

I guess the important thing with finances is to try to find a balance and not take too much of a gamble - eg dont pay too much for a big-ish named musical act just in case it doesnt pay off.

Anyway, Im just starting to try to catch up with all the event discussion, Id love to help in whatever way I can.

I dont have enough material to do a proper VJ show yet, if possible Id like to bring some interactive goodies to the show, as I felt interactive stuff was the main missing element of the vjs london event.

If I have a clear date in my mind it will help me to get my finger out and get on with some of these midi hardware etc ideas.

So I guess I would fit more into a daytime type experimental/trainign demo type thing. Although, if there is a VJ act on inthe evening that wants to use a little of this stuff in their show, and there is time for us to collaborate a little well beforehand, then I would be up for that too.

Depending on how my life turns out in the next few months, I can offer at minimum one pc setup with visualJockey for everyone to play with a bit, and at best I'll have that plus some crowd interactive midi stuff.

If none of the above sounds any use, no worries, I wont be offended.

[elbows]

Any chance we could start splitting this topic up into many threads now, as Im finding it hard to keep up & everything clear and focussed?

I was gonna start them myself, but then I thought that might be a bit cheeky, but I was thinking of these threads for a start:

Volunteers/roles thread - whose doing what.

Equipment thread

Venue thread

Conference thread

Arty Thread

Main Show Thread

Live video feed or other non-UK collaboration thread

A thread for ideas that have been ruled out, so that we dont keep covering the same ground, especially if more people join in later.


Or am I rambling like a madman? ;)

[snapdragon]

yeah - the sidfox crew are good people, i dont know them too well, but they're clearly sound.

i'll help however i can, equipment wise i've got a ave7 mixer and can obviously help do stuff on the day.... as i'm in edinburhgh i'm not sure how much use i can be before the event, but if i can i will.

[snapdragon]

also its highly unlikely i'll ever be able to make the chat meetings...

[Anyone]

Elbows,

the multiple threat thing is a great idea!
how about a also a "line up" thread ?

tell us when this is up and running...


BTW, this is my 50 th post!
wouhou!:D VJ NE1

[spark]

on the topic of threads, we've (me & ex) been on this organising tip for a bit and a complete on-line collaboration site is in beta as we speak... watch this space.

[unjulation]

a up just catching up my self on the gosip , my computers been at workshop for the 2 days so been of line, seperate threds is good i've been trying to start them my self so until the web is up just start your own on whichever topic

[unjulation]

so what's the up date guys?
hows the web site doing? we need to get the call out soon maybe put something up at vjc in the meantime?
spark did you speek to the resolume boys?
it feels like the momemtum is sliping a bit on the web site, yes i know that i have to pull a lot of this together myself but carn't do it all

i would rarther this hapen in some form or outher rarther then not at all, which for me is not an option, hence the looking into colaberation with the corn x gig, switched on and the film festi, now because of this we may have to compromise some of our ideas and concepts, as i talked to people at the chat (ware was everyone?) whatever hapens we have a good space for the conferance and early eve, we might have to compromise with the party space, there are several bog standerd clubs i can get but i thought we should make this special, so it's going to hapen, read my posts, we got poss accses to free sounds, steve is on the case with coalating what equipment we can get acsses to
again its up to us puting the work in before the event to make it what it will be

[spark]

hi hi, i'm on the mission... life outside of vjing has been super fuckin freaky these past few days, will be back on track - have my own deadlines too, as i'm off to the edinburgh festival and some arts ed work...

toby

[unjulation]

no wories we all have an un-vertuial world that we live and work in, hence this thing in the first place
anyway rossco put forward an idea to me


i know you are well busy trying to sort things out, as i said in the chat i now live down south near salisbury/nearish the don. I don't know what you may need doing but something like flyering my local area of clubs at the end of the night with vjcentral gig flyers.

if i did this plus others it may be possible to market the whole country! that would really make it feel like a national/international event. just an idea.


sounds like a way to go at least it would create a buz about this whole thing around the contery, as someone involved in the more rave/free party side in the past then i can tell you people are wiling to travel from one side of this contery to the outher, i cirtainley have and the word can soon spred

[spark]

ha ha why flyer when you've got a videoscreen... maybe this is the time to vj those adverts!!! (oh my god, where's my soul gone...)

[unjulation]

trueley :p

but it's allways usefull to have a coffe table reminder

[spark]

Listen up, y'all. The vjc gig collaboration is kicking up a gear and these threads are about to die.

We've got an on-line project management app running that amongst other things will replace the bulk of the discussions here, so if you are interested in working on this project email exhale and he'll sign you up. if you're name is on the collaborators list already, you should get a mail from him anyway.

This forum will turn into an announce list, where updates and info will get posted, and we'll be holding debates and asking for feedback etc...

For now, the most important thing is to get this gig a name! if you haven't contributed to that thread, have a go now!

http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=438

Cheers all,
Toby

[unjulation]

just a quick note to say things are still happaning :)
just been bisey with unity day and recovering
got two meatings this week both funding and colaberation will let you know, but dont let me stop you posting ideas, and the time line will be up soon