RIG DESKS: All in one flightcase - converts to desk / workstation!

[telekinetix]

In looking for something to carry all my gear and also be used as a desk I found this little gem:

http://www.flightcasewarehouse.co.uk/productpics/djconsole.jpg
LINK TO SPECS HERE (http://www.flightcasewarehouse.co.uk/music/typeproducts2.asp?id=4107-2670)
Its a bit steep at £300 but it looks niiiiiiice. And I'm loving the idea of everything being in one flight case and being partially wired up in advance.

Theres also this one which is pretty ingenious! at £200 but its a bit too long (150cm) to fit in the back of a car/taxi for example.

http://www.kamkase.co.uk/products/2decksandmixer/images/tt19ws_o_detail.jpg
LINK TO SPECS HERE (http://www.kamkase.co.uk/products/2decksandmixer/prod5.htm)

Any1 have one of these or know of similar/cheaper alternatives?!

[haris]

very nice find indeed! I'll be a bit skeptical about it's weigh though..

the nice thing about these flight-case-boxes is that everything in pre-wired and protected so you arrive on set and just open it and plug the power and video cables.

BUT the "arrive on set" is the tricky part here, as you'll need some kind of truck (as this thing will never fit in a car) and a helper in case there is no ramp to get in the venue or even more difficult if there are stair etc...

I also love the "plug and play" thing but also like to be very mobile, so for the time being I set up my equip (v4, KPE, P-10, Laptop, midi, preview screens) using this
http://www.proelgroup.com/proel/en/stageequipment/product.jsp?id_prod=11156515768420&id_scat=11159768337080&id_cat=11159768730910
and a custom made box that looks like a guitar's flight box (I'll try an post some pictures)

[sleepytom]

what gear do you have to case?
what kind of vehicle do you have?
do you VJ with a partner / crew?
how many gigs per year do you do?
of these gigs how many have the exact same setup?

with answers to these questions i can give you proper advice about cases, without knowing these variables its not really possible to offer any advice beyond a useless "w00t cases r great lol".

[LEVLHED]

proper cases cost $$$. "cheaper" defeats the purpose.


they *are* worth the investment

[deepvisual]

yeah,
big cases are great for the two gigs a year you get with a truck.
it only takes 5 mins to set up a VJ rig..
Unless you are a hardcore roadie, keep it modular, then you can drive, fly or take a cab.

[LEVLHED]

5 minutes?? wait, define "VJ rig"

I never set my crap up the same way twice.

[automaton]

I would love to be able to carry a nice case like that but I prefer to carry it in 8 totes and a large spaghetti ball mess of cables. I too do not always setup my rig the same twice mainly because setup times vary, space variations, and really what the customer has opted to pay me for. I also travel alot on the plane and I prefer to have everything pretty much with me in the cabin.

I used to do this though for my music gear and did love it. i had a dj coffin with a tr-808, tr-707, tr-606, mc-202, mixer, and a patchwork of effects units. I guess it depends on your travel and setup needs like do you work solo or with others etc.

take some pics when you get it going. i love the portability concept.

[automaton]

i like that case that folds out with a center console and tables on side. wow i love that design.

[vjpixylight]

http://www.rackcase.com/images/skb-r910u28-PY-PopUp.jpg
I got one of these (http://www.rackcase.com/28-skb-rack-case.htm) a while back, but to tell the truth, I have never used it for VJing. Like Deep mentioned, these big cases a a pain in the arse to haul around.
I also might mention that this particular case is a special "shock mount" case which is really a misnomer, because the "shock mount" parts are very hard rubber bushings that really don't give much shock absorption at all..

**I do plan on getting a couple of Rack Mount PC's/Hacky's in it for some future guerrilla video projections outta my van** Someday, someday:rolleyes:

[deepvisual]

http://www.deepvisual.com/playback1.jpg

this is my old touring playback system.
it was handy just opening the lid and plugging in the mains.
but building it at the start of the 4 week tour took almost a whole day and getting it up to the old studio on the first floor at the end of the tour was a 4 man lift.

[thomase]

This is mine - quite heavy but I can still haul it around alone:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_939890b74bbe2501a80e34abccec7365.jpg

[telekinetix]

Thanks for all the quick responses!

what gear do you have to case?


Currently: 2 Laptops, V4, 2 8inch lcd preview monitors, Akai MPD24 midi controller, DM2 midi controller. 1 benq projector, sometimes a mini dv camera and minidisc recorder. Not a massive amount of gear usually.


what kind of vehicle do you have?

A small car (girlfriends lol)/ sometimes a taxi. Passing my driving test end of this month hopefully so might get a small van if I can find one with removable seats in the back.


do you VJ with a partner / crew?

Usually there are 2 of us on it most of the night, with a couple others on and off ( on the camera/milling around you know)

[/quote]

how many gigs per year do you do?


Its slowed down a bit recently so currently only about 6 gigs a year but looking to do more - most are local i.e. within 2 miles of my house at the mo. Have been turning some down as I cant be arsed to take 6 hulking great bags with me everytime - hense the flightcase idea!


of these gigs how many have the exact same setup?


Depends on the venue as you know, but usually the desked setup stays pretty much the same - lappy with controller either side, v4 in the middle, drinks perching dangerously close to all of it! The centre section looks ideal for putting drinks to not spill....i say that now....

Hope that helps tom !


As far as weight and lugging stuff around goes - the 1st case shown there is 40KG, plus gear i expect is another 25KGs or so, should be fairly easy for 2 manly men to carry to and from cars no? I'm a builder by day so I reckon I can handle it! grrr :D

[vjpixylight]

This is mine - quite heavy but I can still haul it around alone:

http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/15/l_939890b74bbe2501a80e34abccec7365.jpg
you need some wheels on it! looks good tho:)
I will eventually get my rackmount case loaded up and will post some pics.
are you going to throw in that hacky RM into this rig?

[Charston]

my box
http://img134.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47188_P9250363_122_543lo.JPG
http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47390_P9250369_122_438lo.JPG

[automaton]

my setup is in a shopping cart. im getting jealous now all these fancy pants cases.

[videoswitchboard]

boxfest! (http://www.thesoundsurgery.co.uk/videoswitchboard)
http://www.thesoundsurgery.co.uk/videoswitchboard/pics/vswb1.jpg

[nutcracker]

its not a fancy box but..

http://www.skratchworx.com/images/rrstandt.jpg

I use this roll up table for all gigs.

It guarantees enough space for everything no matter what setup i decide on, is at the right height to prevent VJ backache when standing up jamming, and can be carried over the shoulder.
It also comes with a magnetic banner to hide cables and advertise myself.

My performance gear all fits in a Gigskinz bag, mbp17, kaptivator, entrancer, cables, ear protection, flask, sandwiches & sweets.

Haven't played a gig on the ground floor for years, this rig is 1 journey from van to stage, perfect.

[telekinetix]

its not a fancy box but..

http://www.skratchworx.com/images/rrstandt.jpg

I use this roll up table for all gigs.

It guarantees enough space for everything no matter what setup i decide on, is at the right height to prevent VJ backache when standing up jamming, and can be carried over the shoulder.


Hey Nutcracker that 'roll up' ? table looks pretty nice, is it stable? where'd you get it from?

Cheers

[deepvisual]

YouTube - Touring paraphernalia

[nutcracker]

Hey Nutcracker that 'roll up' ? table looks pretty nice, is it stable? where'd you get it from?


Yeah its rock solid, can support 1000kg.

I got mine from the UK distributor of Road Ready Cases, heres the weblink for the product. http://store.roadreadycases.com/dyn_prod.php?p=RRSTANDT pm me if you want a price.

I have to say its a damn expensive table but it doubles as a large speaker stand for gigs where bass bins aren't required, to give the mid/tops some altitude so i get good use from it.

[thomase]

you need some wheels on it! looks good tho:)
I will eventually get my rackmount case loaded up and will post some pics.
are you going to throw in that hacky RM into this rig?

I actually have a foldable cart... I'm not sure wether the hacky's gonna go in there... Dunno where to put the monitor then, I want it to be flip out or something along these lines.

Charleston, what kind of monitor stand is that? This looks really nice. Is it foldable?

[vjpixylight]

ah, something like this:
http://www.ciesurplus.com/images/_items/V00115953565000010995-001.jpg

[mowgli]

its not a fancy box but..

http://www.skratchworx.com/images/rrstandt.jpg


I used to have a case like that which I used with this:
http://www.getinthemix.co.uk/images/uploaded/GiraffeG100.jpg

[thomase]

Well, these only support 15" monitors. So I was thinking (with the presumption I'd have to have another case custom-built) to just attach it to the lid and have the case fixed so it opens just like a coffin. But I might find a better solution...

[telekinetix]

its not a fancy box but..

http://www.skratchworx.com/images/rrstandt.jpg

I use this roll up table for all gigs.



So this is about 150 quid online from djkit.co.uk. A bit pricy but it does look stable and if you say it can handle 1000KGs then it must be! The 90cm height is also a good thing.

How easy is it to get your legs under it/through the bar thingamees when sitting down? As we all have to have a little sit down now and again!

[sleepytom]

Currently: 2 Laptops, V4, 2 8inch lcd preview monitors, Akai MPD24 midi controller, DM2 midi controller. 1 benq projector, sometimes a mini dv camera and minidisc recorder. Not a massive amount of gear usually.

none of that stuff is rackmountable - the controllers and the laptops all need to be accessed from above and won't easily slot into a rack. I'd maybe try and fit the controllers, mixer and monitors into a coffin style case (either one of the dj style cases which are designed for CDJs and mixer - or maybe one of the long stormcase / pelicases) then have your laptops in a racksack and get a separate stormcase / pelicase for the projector. You'd end up with gear which you could carry by yourself in one trip and thus be able to get a taxi or whatever if you can't get your girlfriend to drive you



Its slowed down a bit recently so currently only about 6 gigs a year but looking to do more - most are local i.e. within 2 miles of my house at the mo. Have been turning some down as I cant be arsed to take 6 hulking great bags with me everytime - hense the flightcase idea!

if your doing less than one gig a month then you'll probably not set everything up the same from one gig to the next. Having a few separate cases will allow for flexibility. You might prefer a case for your mixer and monitors, a case for your controllers and a case for your laptops. having a small folding table is a very good idea as they are often impossible to find in clubs - camping tables have come a long way in the last few years and the folding aluminium things they sell now are very small when packed and are very lightweight to carry but strong when setup.





As far as weight and lugging stuff around goes - the 1st case shown there is 40KG, plus gear i expect is another 25KGs or so, should be fairly easy for 2 manly men to carry to and from cars no? I'm a builder by day so I reckon I can handle it! grrr :D
that style of rackmount case will not fit in a standard london cab (well it will just about go in but the driver will probably not let you take it) I find that cabbies are much happier if you have a few smaller cases rather than one big case, a big rackcase with everything in it is great on a tour with proper trucks (and local crew to lift things) but if you have to lift and tip the case into a taxi you'll end up hurting yourself and / or damaging the gear when it gets dropped down a staircase.

[telekinetix]

Thanks for the advice!

I have actually lost my money spending bottle on this one and gone for the cheapo option for the moment and ordered up an aluminium roll-up camping table - has adjustable height upto 85cm so should be a good height for standing up.

Was a mere £33! Might be a load of flimsy rubbish but for that money I'll give it a try!

Will post up here when it arrives.

http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/shop/pics/variheight_dbl_table.jpg

LINK HERE (http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/shop/Detail.asp?ProductID=895)

[WordVirus23]

my partner and I have these tables, while they're not going to hold 1000kg's, I was able to demonstrate the load handling capabilities by slowly laying across it.... it held up. I'm about 170 lbs...

we love 'em!
WELL worth the money, I keep mine in the back of my truck... never know when you're going to need a table!

[nutcracker]

That table looks ideal Telekinetik, bargain.

I bought the heavy duty Road Ready ones for holding big pa cabs on other jobs but know its overkill & £too much for just holding vj gear.

Nice find.

[devonmiles]

you will never get any respect if you bring tables and chairs to a venue. promoters might pay poorly, dont put you on the flyer but if they fail to provide somthing as simple as a table you should reject to play instantly...

[sleepytom]

Umm utter utter hogwash.
Club promoters will assume that the venue has a table, they certainly won't bring one for you. Bringing your own table is the only way to ensure that you get the space you need for your kit. The majority of venues do not have a single decent table in them, bringing your own allows you to concentrate on the performance rather than spending hours searching around for a table / pile of beer crates.
Same with projectors / mixers / cameras / other gear. Expect the promotor to provide these things for you and you not only lose out on the profitable equipment hire fees but you also run the risk of the promoter providing shoddy gear.

The best way to get respect from promoters is providing a comprehensive service at a professional level. Demanding things from the promoter such as tables just makes you look like a winging artist who's more hassle than they are worth.

[bilderbuchi]

well i think that depends on how/in what role you're hired... or do you think that djs who don't bring their own turntables, PA and shock-damped table are not respected? also, what are riders for, then, if not for making clear what they provide, and what you bring?
i agree about the improved degree of control over equipment and the hire fee cut, though.. ;)

[mowgli]

Ok so the most important bit of kit for a vj is a table?

I'm sorry but the promoter/venue should provide this, sure it's a vj's responsibility to ensure that this is arranged before the gig but that's it.

"they certainly won't bring one for you" what?????????????????
Every single promoter I've worked with has been happy to source and provide a table as is their job. Having said that you do have a point that we might be able to make a decent living out of the table hire business. It seems like there is a very fine line between vj's and the catering industry these days.

Next we'll have to bring a generator in case the venue has no electricity and glasses if we expect to have a drink during the night. Those will be the days when vj's get some respect.

[nutcracker]

Caterers at festivals get very upset if you steal their tables.

I work the Bulldog Bash Festival every year (www.bulldogbash.co.uk), i'm quite happy to take my own tables thank you, i can live without the respect that none furniture carrying visual artists get.

[thomase]

apart from politics - I still want to know how that monitor was attached to the rig...

[vjpixylight]

apart from politics - I still want to know how that monitor was attached to the rig...

are you speaking of this one?
http://www.ciesurplus.com/images/_items/V00115953565000010995-001.jpg

[thomase]

nope, I know these, I mean the one used in this pic:
http://img150.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=47390_P9250369_122_438lo.JPG

[devonmiles]

pulease Tom, serioulsy, what kind of event are we talking about? at a certain production level you will get everything thats speced in your rider. thats professional. aside from that i am of course deeply convinced of well built custom cases. best to have several for different setups and situations.

[sleepytom]

hmmm i guess i'm yet to work at that level?
i've had promoters fail to provide me with a whole portacabin before, nevermind a table. Maybe i should of told them i couldn't do the gig? Maybe arranging a van to mix from instead was terribly unprofessional? But maybe i'l be booked again because i create solutions not problems?

When i do gigs where i'm not providing the full video install then i provide a technical rider which lists what i will bring and what the promoter / venue should supply. I then ensure that i have direct contact with the video company / venue technicians to discus my requirements and make sure that everything is covered including suitable table space for my equipment alongside the venue supplied kit.

This thread was / is about all in one setups where having a table or rack system allows the gear to be setup the same time and time again without needing to rely on the venue to provide anything. If you forget the DJ analogy and view VJs like musicians then bringing your own keyboard stand / drum stool / table isn't at all unusual and certainly is not unprofessional.

Obviously if the only gear you use is a single laptop then bringing a table is stupid. However if your bringing mixers, dvd players, effects units, monitors, computers, screens, cables and projectors then having a lightweight compact table with enough room to fit all your gear on it will save you lots of annoyances where the venue only have tables with are too small / big / round / high / low.

[automaton]

i have done alot of shows and can literally count on one hand how many times an "adequate" table was available. i have spent hours trying to find tables that worked when the promoter has promised one. i always tote a portable plastic style table now. Or i end up buying one and returning it after im done;)

[mowgli]

Or i end up buying one and returning it after im done;)

and do you charge the promoter for table hire on top of this?
Now we're talking business!

[devonmiles]

Tom, you had a valid point saying its not recomended to haul bulky roadcases is a cab.
i think i had a valid point in saying we dont need to supply stuff thats easily provided by the venue.
I like that case design with the foldable stands. keep your cases sturdy, simple and versatile, so anything thats found at a venue can act as a table. I travel a lot. most times by plane. a table is just not an option.

you have proven to succesfull deliver bomb proof visual setups to large scale festivals, so you should know better. in non corporate environments people tend to make more mistakes, forget things. dj mixers, microphones, tables, chairs, power plugs, toilet paper. that shouldnt stop us insisting to have it provided next time. it will make work a bit easier for everyone.:hippy:

[SteveG]

If you get suck just ask for my emergency table...avail at most venues. Great when they give you weighted ones :D

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/7812/15402385260bf340fefdfn4.jpg

[automaton]

totally. i have been known to use a few milkcrates here and there thats for sure and yes i charge for the table they dont have to know i returned it afterward...lol

[nutcracker]

:D
YouTube - Survival Unit Falls From Stage

[SteveG]

Class...there's an old Chinese proverb (sorry no Chinese keyboard) which means "dont put large table on small riser with drunken arse holes" :D

[telekinetix]

http://www.worldofcamping.co.uk/shop/pics/variheight_dbl_table.jpg

Well after getting the SINGLE table delivered as they didnt have the double instock...

...then sending it back...

....and ordering the DOUBLE from another company!

Ive set it up today at its maximun height with is 85cm...and it wobbles :(

Now the reason I bought this table was because it was higher that most, the fact that it wobbles tells me it will be unstable in a club enviroment especially being so top-heavy when ladled with gear.

Also watching the youtube clip there of all the gear toppling from an unstable table fills me with dread! haha

So i don't know what to do at the moment as I dont have the money to buy the 1000KG holding version until next month and my next gig is on the 28th.

I might have to try the wobbler and see how it goes.


As far as taking my own table to my gigs - its basically so I can have a STABLE table at a CORRECT HEIGHT (80-90cm ish) so my back doesnt hurt after a couple of hours hunched over. And not have to WASTE TIME searching/asking for one as thats just an unneccesary pain in the arse.

[nutcracker]

I accept most major credit cards ;)

Sorry you got messed about.

Thats the problem with going down the budget route, there's usually a compromise to be made, yours is you'll have to carry a stock of beer mats to sort the wobble.

Are those legs telescopic? Sure you have them all the same length?

[telekinetix]

I accept most major credit cards ;)

Sorry you got messed about.

Thats the problem with going down the budget route, there's usually a compromise to be made, yours is you'll have to carry a stock of beer mats to sort the wobble.

Are those legs telescopic? Sure you have them all the same length?

woah im confused

How would beer mats stop this thing wobbling? it wobbles EVERYWHERE! the legs, crossbeam support sections of the legs AND the table top inself moves as its made up of lots of small lengths connected with stretchy elastic string (like tent poles)

I'm not saying its completely useless and it would still take a bit of effort to topple it completely! But its the wobbling that I think I'll find offputting and just annoying. Also if you apply pressure to any point directly above a leg the leg will close together giving an un-even table.

Telescopic, do you mean adjustable? yep they can be adjusted from 60cm-85cm i think with the use of a plastic screw-closure thingy

At the moment when next month rolls-in I'll be grabbing one of the Road Ready ones from you nuttcracker!:D

[nutcracker]

Ah i thought you mean one of the legs was shorter than the other 3, making it wobbly.

Ok no problem , i've got stock when you're ready.

[deepvisual]

http://i23.ebayimg.com/08/i/000/cc/3d/8c86_1.JPG

I have one of these (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TABLES-6FT-FOLDING-BANQUET-TRESTLE-TABLE-CARRY-CASE_W0QQitemZ370158048596QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_BO I_Restaurant_RL?hash=item370158048596&_trksid=p3286.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1229|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A13 18) I have never used...

you can have it for half price if you want it.

[telekinetix]

thanks for the offer mate, but i want one a bit higher. 80-90cm. and i dont want to carry something like beer crates to raise it up with ;-)

[movebandit]

Just use the cases itself to Raise:

Equip:
1 Windows Computer in 19" Housing
1 Backlit Keyboard
1 Trackball
1 Midikeyboard
1 React Midicontroller
2 15" Tfts
1 small DVD Player with Tft for Backup
1 Small Tft for V4-Preview
1 16x16 Crosspoint
1 Kaoss Pad Entrancer (I´d like to get a 2nd one)
1 Edirol V-4
1 Redsound Soundbite Micro
4 Videosplits
1 HD Recorder
1 Multiplexer with 16 inputs
1 Upscaler to see the video signal of the Multiplexer on Tft
1 2x2 Midiinterface
Everything ready connected by Video,Audio, and Midi
Only Plug in the Multicore Connections between the singel Cases and Plug in power and Video outputs.

Setup Time: About 15 mins

Additional for bigger venues or as a Standalone Rig for Small Gigs:
1 Macboook Pro
1 VMX Vj Midi Controller
1 Triplehead2go
3 Downscaler from VGA to Fbas
1 6x6 Crosspoint

Setup 10 mins

http://www.provisuell.de/Images/103.jpg

[videoswitchboard]

Setup Time: About 15 mins



wow- that's fast!

hey, can you give us some details about your 6x6 and 16x16 crosspoints?
is that the unit below the 15' monitor and left of the codanova?

[thomase]

I'd be interested to know how this all works... I mean are these slide-out trays or how do you attach teh v4 for example?

[telekinetix]

Just use the cases itself to Raise:

Equip:
1 Windows Computer in 19" Housing
1 Backlit Keyboard
1 Trackball
1 Midikeyboard
Blah blah blah

Now your just showing off!

P.S. whats that white liquid all over your equipment?


No but actually the cheap cable I bought (camping variety) was actually ok. Not recommended for vjs who like to jump around like mentalists all night but stable enough atleast as a backup.

Movebandit - I only have 1 small flightcase for my v4 and dvd player so I dont have wnough "cases to raise it up with", also as I like to be able to carry all my gear in bags to my gigs buying bigger (and heavy) hardcases to carry to gigs is not an option at this time.

[movebandit]

wow- that's fast!

hey, can you give us some details about your 6x6 and 16x16 crosspoints?
is that the unit below the 15' monitor and left of the codanova?

Sorry for the very late Replys......but i lost the thread.

The 8x8 Matrix is in side the upper Case. The Unit you are talking about is the Remote. Its a cheap one from a German Manufacturer.http://www.elv-downloads.de/service/manuals/AVC7088/AVC7088_KM_G_021023.pdf

The 16x16 Crosspoint is below the 19"Pc and now an Extron (forgot the Type)....

@telekinetics: Yes,i d like to show what i got...so if youve got a V4 and a dvd player and if it works fine for you...ok....i dont mind...but i always try to have a look to all the little things in a Vjs Rig (V4 everybody knows) and get some impressions from those little tools not everybody knows(like the soundbite micro). Thats why i posted a nearly complete list af this little niiice things with all that knobs and keys... (I love it). And white liquid is only at the camera lens from the last pornshoot....

[movebandit]

I'd be interested to know how this all works... I mean are these slide-out trays or how do you attach teh v4 for example?
Ich versuch immmer wieder mal den Aufbau / Funktion irgend nem Technikbegeisterten zu erklären, während er davor steht. Die meisten steigen nach 5 min verwirrt aus...... letztendlich ist annähernd jedes Videosignal überallhin routbar und sämtliche geräte erhalten eine Midiclock als master und laufen synchron im beat.
Das V4 ist über einen modifizierten Studiomonitorhalter mit einer normalen Superclamp an der seite des Cases festgemacht....... ;-)

[skulpture]

When I helped Steve out at the Nathan Fake gig I used a massive SUB which was on rollers lying on its side... Had a nice curve to it and the edge was raised so my lap top wouldn't fall off... lovely stuff! :D

[KidKDN]

Theres also this one which is pretty ingenious! at £200 but its a bit too long (150cm) to fit in the back of a car/taxi for example.

http://www.kamkase.co.uk/products/2decksandmixer/images/tt19ws_o_detail.jpg
LINK TO SPECS HERE (http://www.kamkase.co.uk/products/2decksandmixer/prod5.htm)

Any1 have one of these or know of similar/cheaper alternatives?!

i own a model similar to this unit ( mine does not have the folding table bottom ) and it was hella useful esp. since i use to roll with 2 laptops and a mixer. a bit heavy and tall as you pointed out and the center is a bit oversized for a V4 / V8 ( my mixer has a bigger foot print so the bigger centra console is a plus ). but the ironcal part is that after my set up out grew the case ( which is somthing to keep in mind when buyin cases ) it turned into my set-up table ( use in combo with my old keyobard stand ).

now looking back i wish i got the unit that is pictured with the fold out table. it makes things a lot more use ful. But i would have to warn anyone who uses a coffin/case like that, if you where annoyed about getting mistaken for the DJ, you are jsut asking for it with that one.

just my 2 cents