Big Chill - call for submissions

[rod]

<<<<<Call for Submissions>>>>>
Hi there
I?m booking the VJs for The Big Chill festival at Lulworth deer park-1st-3rd Aug. I?m looking for VJs for the dance tent and the main stage but there is also the possibility of screens or installations in areas throughout the site. Check out www.bigchill.net for the line up/vibe.
A lot of the acts have VJs and visuals already but for those that don?t The Big Chill want top VJs and filmjammers to complement the acts. They have already booked the media mix tent so we can?t accommodate full AV sets so for this gig it would be good to have showreels that represent purely VJ sets. There is a budget to bring in VJs from outside the UK but I doubt it would stretch to travel from outside Europe.

I?ll be putting together a showreel to present to the organisers. Submission closing date is 15th June.
If you could send me an example of your work on DV,CDR, or VHS that would be great. Post to:
Rod Maclachlan
BEAM
43a Richmond Rd.
Montpelier
Bristol BS6 5EN

P.s if you've already sent showreels to Michael Heap don't send another as I should get them from him. Save your stamps/tapes!

[dusi]

sounds nice, is it possible to send a dvd?

[rod]

Dvds, cdr,vcds, even betaSP,8mm 16mm, 35mm, but sorry no Umatic!

[mondo]

i thought big chill was at eastnor this year

please confirm

[complexvisuals]

What type of music is played.

Is it a big smoke fest?

Cian
COMPLEX

[michaelheap]

its at eastnor,

[rod]

Thanks Michael, I had my wires crossed. It IS at Eastnor. Hopefully I'll make it to the right county on the weekend!!

Cian-Is it a big smoke fest?

Yes, a smokey, fine coffee and massage kinda deal - no hard house!

The line up will give you some idea, the likes of:
DJ Marky
London Elektricity featuring Robert Owens
Quantic Soul Orchestra
Jimi Tenor + Band
Francois K
Mr Scruff
Hexstatic
Cosmos Sound System (tbc)
Jaga Jazzist
NuSpirit Helsinki
Horse
Howie B
John Peel
Chungking
Another Fine Day
Rob Da Bank
Talvin Singh - an evening of Indian Classical music
Mixmaster Morris
Hint
Lightning Head Sound & Vision
Flipside
Ulrich Schnauss
Murcof

[unjulation]

white horses and cavraly charges not needed at this time then

[Anyone]

So how much can we expect from the Big Chill, money wise?

[silk]

when is this fest because of the millions of dates I see

[rod]

Friday 1st -Sunday 3rd August 2003.

There is no generic fee as costs and fees are worked out on an individual basis.

[Anyone]

good answer :)

[unjulation]

but dosn't that answer allow you, in therory at least, to pay little or no mony to new comers just for the chance to play?

see thred

http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2748

seeing as you are a well established event sureley there is a bottem line regarding payment?

[InsideUsAll]

guys, isn't it a bit much to expect the organiser of a festival like this to openly talk about who's getting what money. Surely thats the business of the artists and the organisers of the festival, and not really appropriate content for a thread open to 2500 members to read.

We're submitting our reel this week rod, so keep an eye out ;)

[Rovastar]

Yeah I do not really expect figures from a promoter and an event in a thread like this.

ALthough after from a promoters point of view I would like to see how much you feel visuals are part of the dance scene.What maybe (after the event) roughly each VJ got. Wishful thinking no doubt.

Although I am up for this one as it is teh sort of music that I listen to and write many of my visuals too (it's all in the unexpected breaks). not you're normal 4-4 beats that is too easy to mix/predict.

It will be good to witness Will Holland and his live band QSO

Surprised at the lack of austria-esque downbeat acts on teh lineup though (K&D/Tosca, dZihan and Kamien, etc, etc). Some of teh newcomers top the scene like on Klein records for example would have been nice to see.

Will forward my info on to you later regarding what I can do maybe even leave an automatic feed of new sound-reactive stuff for the main stage.

[sleepytom]

actually simply handing over the money that you've agreed to pay people would be a very good start for the big chill.

[michaelheap]

Edited: the origonal post by me wasnt meant to cause offence to anyone, and certanly wasnt ment to imply that the bigchill hasnt in the past, or at the moment or will in the future not pay its artists or staff, i havent had any problems personaly or otherwise with big chill or their directors, i was simply passing on information that a certain person had posted to their forum saying he had not been paid.

[Rovastar]

*shudder*

So what is the guarantee that the VJ's will be paid for this year??

It sounds like it could get messy......................

[robotfunk]

contracts?

[Sheppee]

This is Sheppee. Im out of San Francsico. I sent some work over for the Media tent. It is with Marc Everett. His email marceverett@hotmail.com please contact him and arrange the transition.

It includes excerpts from new single jarG0n (DV PAL) and EmpIIIre by videoJon (DVD NTSC)

Please confirm when you get this content with
sheppee2002@yahoo.co.uk
jscgm @yahoo.com

[rod]

Hi there, a good discussion.

I have put the concerns raised to the Big CHill management:

Concerns over non payment, contract arrangements, minimum payment etc. I personally haven't had problems with non-payment in the past but these are serious issues to clarify.

In my experience at this kind of gig lesser experienced Djs, muscians and Vjs often perform and only recieve free ticket(s) in return. I personally feel this is fair as its good experience and I had no problem personally with this arrangment in the past as it allowed me to cut my teeth. What do you think? If you like festivals then a free ticket or two can be great as you work for an hour or two and then have three days to party and chill.

I can't discuss fees in any detail before the gig on this forum, but I'm sure people will feed back afterwards & hopefully all will be well.

I'll let you know more about how the land lies when I hear back from the BChill.

Peace,, , Rod

[mondo]

contracts yes.
payment yes too if they have any money left over.
usually you will be lucky to get two tix for the event and ?100 if you are imho

still exposure is good if timing/set with dj/musician is right.

marc silver (yeast) got a lucrative set with nitin sawney in 1999 (or was it 2000) and the rest is history - they are desirable pro film makers now

[mondo]

it does beg the age old question though.

if you cannot convince the promoter to part with the cash, then why are we all doing this anyway?

djs get paid stacks and arguably the public responds to music far more than visuals

- until vjs get more pro in their collaborations, their gigging, their creativity and their business - what chance is there of convincing any promoter.

- we could all just end up submitting showreels ad nauseum to electronic arts festivals and not even turning up (in fact what stops big chill just playing your showreels in the multi media tent?) we have all sent tapes - so does that mean we have given approval for showing them??? nope - but you may for the prestige?

think about this - other digital arts practionioners have to do a lot more freebie groundwork to get their name around (c. one dot zero artists, dfuse, light surgeons etc) till the point is reached when everyone has heard of them - profile is good - they get booked for money.

vjs have to get with it too.... performing = 5% of the time....95% trying to get a gig with all that creativity!!

[Rovastar]

I am curious though how you judge who is an established/good VJ and who is not?

Is it how much they cost? or number of gigs or how much the public has seen there work?

Are you after established VJ's or the up and coming newbies?

Mondo I am confused how much more free work do you expect VJ's to do? You talk the point of view taht you must to x amount of freebie to succed. No doubt in the early days (and maybe now) most VJ's would have done their fair share of freebies or even running at a lose.

[mondo]

i dont expect newbie vjs to be ripped off

i dont expect to good vjs to get ripped of

i dont expect any of us will get it right nor wrong

all digital artists peddle their work - vjs are no different - and its a personal call as to whether one does freebies or not depending on the event. (personally i would avoid it if poss)

i do expect some sort of agreement within the vj establishment that we dont get bullied/nor misused epseciaklly if you are a newbie.
how ? - well maybe a list of what to watch out for with gigs/promoters etc and what to ask for/ how professional you have to get.

ie. if you expect to turn up to a paying gig without asking about tech set-up and expect to plug in winamp - you aint gonna make it are you?
quality is judged on creativity, performance, professionalism, and just being a decent person to work with

with regards big chill - i would expect a festival of their standing to promote good vjs - new and old - and for all of the vjs to be rewarded appropriately.

i have worked for years doing visuals of one sort or another enough to know that i dont do freebies anymore - but that was born out of experiences of doing work and getting paid/not getting paid etc etc etc

nb. a vj is only worth his last gig after all

[Anyone]

Originally posted by Rovastar
I am curious though how you judge who is an established/good VJ and who is not?

Is it how much they cost? or number of gigs or how much the public has seen there work?

Are you after established VJ's or the up and coming newbies?


maybe you should refer this question to vjrei's thread
when can you consider being a real vj? (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=2753)

Ne1

[Rovastar]

I know NE1 I was trying to get a prepective from the promoters/organisers of this event. It was unclear from this thread was was going off. I don't question myself. :);)

Mondo,

eeeeerm I am trying not to tack any of your comments

'ie. if you expect to turn up to a paying gig without asking about tech set-up and expect to plug in winamp - you aint gonna make it are you? '

personally.

Looks like their is no point in me applying if there is this narrow-minded attitude or am I reading your comments the wrong way (a bit stoned atm)?!?

On the defencive and fighting my corner :)

Rovastar

[mondo]

yo rovastar

dont get me wrong.

apply to big chill with your dv tape - let them decide if you are good or not.
i already have sent stuff and would love to vj there/have my stuff shown if they make me an offer i cannot refuse etc etc

re: the winamp situation.....ive seen so called "vjs" turn up to gigs and just do use winamp......it was lame imho.....but each to their own i guess

i am not attacking anyone, so no need to get defensive, i have just heard that festivals/promoters like big chill have an odd way of dealing with vjs and djs (some have never been paid when promised apparently - but this could be how urban myths start!)

pass that doobie then



:stoned:

[Rovastar]

No problem.

As I write my own plugin stuff for winamp etc (still beleive stuff people do there is teh most advance audio/visual stuf out there)
I get a bit defenive when people attack it.

If you are attacking the VJ's that just plug in laptop with a winamp plugin that is ok. (Not many of the plugin authors actually VJ there own stuff and most use the winamp stuff without permission anyway) In fact I support you on this "bottom-feeding" mentality. I do all my own stuff. :)

So at least I can say it is all my own work. :);)

*sigh* sending tapes never really is that impressive for the stuff I do as it has to be seen live. prerehesed tapes is all well and good but it is going to look better than something at this always real time. Music videos vs visualizations not a chance...but I can go all night. In fact a the last count it has been running for a satalite TV station for a past 5 or 6 months now none stop.

Sorry no more weed left :( otherwise it would be passed. :D

[mondo]

HEH HEH HEH HEH

now we are talking.....making your own plug ins is respectable - im jealous. what/how do you write the stuff for win amp then.

ive noticed there are a lot more people programming these days - i have been interested to see if its something i could get into

maybe we can get tohether and swap ideas/do gigs together - why not come along to our soxan night in london east end?


as for the demo - i just wacked some visuals to some music i liked via vegas - not exactly live or performed but closer than not.

it raises a problem i have been having with recording live a/v sets onto dv.

mmmm....that poses another thread i think.

[Rovastar]

Not in london atm but will be in about a week you night is on my to do list. Always up for swapping ideas.

Winamp stuff is basically the same as any coding the linking to the dll file is simple enough. There are SDk's to help you through the process althogh mostly in DirectX for coding from the start i prefer OpenGl now-a-days. There are some OpenGl plugins with source around which will give you the basics (all you need) for interacting with winamp.

Most authors use C although pascal and vb can be used.

If you are really interested then forums.winamp.com is probably the main place to discuss this although no doubt I will see you in the coming weeks/months.

All is good then.

[mondo]

whoosh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

what the fug are SDks, OpenGI's, C, pascal (vb=visual basic right)
sounds like stuf fthey threw at the iraqis!!
man i need to get with it!!

doesnt this programming stuff take a lifetime of devotion to learn or what?

i mean i'm and expert on autocad and thats taken 15 years to get tough with it - and - i still have brainaches trying to output to avis etc!

yes - come to soxan.
check
www.soxan.co.uk

we'll get you playing....
laters
:p

[Rovastar]

Originally posted by mondo
whoosh>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>.

what the fug are SDks, OpenGI's, C, pascal (vb=visual basic right)
sounds like stuf fthey threw at the iraqis!!
man i need to get with it!!


:) sorry I wwas trying not to sound to techinical too. :)

hehe we can talk we have things like MX1's and stuff. :)

[mondo]

this is funny
keeping up two converstaions on different forums.
looks like we have managed to stregthen emphasis of vjs for big chill - well i hope so - teh idea of a vj showcase debate is good

keep it real m8

or should that be MX8 teehee

[rod]

Hi there,
following previous comments, We are looking for both established and new VJ outfits. I will try to support newbie Vjs with their technical setup/requirements as much as possible. I'm also open to reels from animators and filmakers with little Vj experience. What makes a good VJ?- It's purely subjective aint it?

Soxan looks great, I doubt I can make it (sigh) as I'm off to Barca for Sonar on the Sunday (hurrah). If any of you are performing there let me know so I can come and check it out.

Cheers for now.