playlists-- top 10? top 100??

[littlecatalyst]

i was wondering if anyone wanted to help compile a list of great videos movies things to use in a mix...

i remember someone a while back bemoaning yet another koyaniscatsi but i thougt; "hey i bet people enjoy playing all kinds of crazy things...." so I wanted to put out some of my favorite things to play with to sorta get the ball rolling (of course these are all very mixable things never to be played straight)...

who knows there may be things out there that we then want to use, or worse, we may find that we all use the same videos (doubt that!) or maybe we can build a VJs top 100


ok so my favorite things to play;

1: Al Razutis films. the guy made some killer optical-printing films (high contrast film, total analog tweakery). he has some pretty deep visions of amerika as well..... but by far when the music is peaking i love a little "Lumiere's Train" (1970?) its high contrast and speed of cutting builds and builds and builds to a total peak
((theyre for sale at http://www.alchemists.com/visual_alchemy/contact_information2.html ))

2. Jordan Belson films... he made these by drawing dots on 35mm film AND THEY ARE SICK!!!! sometimes look like mandalas or video-feedback, very coulorful and i think made in the 1950's (!). They work as a great counterpoint to a totally slick cgi scape. the ones i like the best are his early ones like "Lapis" and "Yantra"

3. The Amazing Mr. Bickford. maybe this happens to you. youre playing and all of the sudden realize that everyone around you is on psychedelics... and yet its not hippy its dirty and grindy? well bickford is this crazy claymation, trippy but dirty trippy. i think it was comissioned by Frank Zappa.... sometimes it can be a bit too much, you have to make sure the kids out there can handle it

well i want to put some more down, but figure three is a good start, no sorry four:

4. Artur Lipset, this guy was doing stuff in 1962 that is still appropriate and timely. freaked everyoone out when he was doing them...the rhythem in his images and editing (still and moving, mostly always b & w) is amazing! (George Lucas got the THX name from a lipset film). they go great with nice coulourful cloudy things, and can provide deep thoughful moments while still being a bit abstract (politically)

ok i hope others join in this.....

[holly]

Sounds very psychadelic, Lil'Cat!:stoned: (hmm. We need an lsd smiley icon... Well, pretend his joint is laced with pcp.)

There's this weird Chek avant guard film called DAISEYS that has a trippy train sequence where the colors are optically printed out of phase. Lasts almost a minute.

Me, I like wacky party sequences from 60s and 70s:

There's a great one early on in BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, very decadant Hollywood.

a club scene in SWEET CHARITY that has choreography by Fosse (Warning: the "Hey Big Spender" scene will cause nightmares!)

And probably the greatest party scene ever: THE TEN COMMANDMENTS when Moses goes up on the volcano to get the tablets from God and all the Hebrews throw a big orgy and make a golden calf. SODOM AND GOMORRAH has a similar crowd/party scene when all the sinners come to see the angel. Both are straight outta Burning Man!

[littlecatalyst]

fun party stuff!!

Originally posted by holly
Me, I like wacky party sequences from 60s and 70s:
There's a great one early on in BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, very decadant Hollywood.

a club scene in SWEET CHARITY that has choreography by Fosse (Warning: the "Hey Big Spender" scene will cause nightmares!)


makes me think... there ought to be a whole top 10 (top 4??)
just for dance sequences... Fosse rocks.
if you tweak with fred astaire he can be pretty suavee too.. and of course busby berkeley. totally kicks ass for that too, Especially Million Dollar Mermaid , its got busbey and esther williams going to town

...and hey, how come there isn't a tripped-out smiley???

[NickT]

Two of my favourites:
2001 (1969?)- the final sequence 'Jupiter and beyond the Infinite' is absolutely beautiful but totally bonkers. Probably the source of everyones first 'eye' closeup shot.

Crystal Voyager (1972) - OK it's a surf movie, however the final 20 minutes features Pink Floyds 'Echoes' in it's entirety and has some wonderful ocean cinematography in a BBC 'Blue Planet' style, very chilled, post-pub viewing:zzz:

[Primebase3]

Originally posted by holly

There's a great one early on in BEYOND THE VALLEY OF THE DOLLS, very decadant Hollywood.


wicked , did some stuff with valley of the dolls too!, made a vj flick called "retro.com "with all kinds of nice scene out of 70's stuff. cutted/masked out the trampoline scene voor a club night too. good film as well :cool:

[littlecatalyst]

(((well i'm having fun here at least......)))

so makes me now wonder about all the other types of (for lack of a better word) found-footage, aside from dance numbers and party scenes and stuff like that.. what about the other types of stuff?

i just got a dvd of satalite shots of the earth, the speeds a little wonky and has to be played with but these days its such fun (especially with the sorta spaced crowd :stoned: ) it's called Planet Earth Oceana... for me it's a cool way to get some eco messages out there while being cryptic.. using stuff like that or rich nature documentaries all mashed-up

have y'all ever heard of a documentary called Bones of the Forest? ((you can get it here; http://www.videoproject.net/bones_forest.html)) its by a guy names Velcrow Ripper ((real name, blame the hippie parents)) DAMN! his forest shots (mostly film OP manipulations...) are chilling and richly beautiful...

i'm also curious for a top-10 of visual stuffs, cgi, that kinda stuff, and while moonshine is helping get VJs out there, Spaced Out will not make it to the list cause its so boring, but what about stuff like luminous vision, i think that ought to make it to the list.....does anyone still play with these, or some other comercial-visuals vhs/dvds?

[eps]

[not inventing unknown types of films/videos, just naming some, good enough]

hopital brut (http://www.canalplus.fr/archives/courts/hbrut/hb1.htm) - film of l'ederniere cri (http://www.lederniercri.org) team

- probably of the same kind as mr.bickford, completely schizophrenic. mtv-style dynamics, all kinds of animation [slow motion, puppets, hand-drawn, etc.]

jeff scher (http://www.re-voir.com/html/scherprojection.html) [examples on mentioned page are not as good as other shorts on that tape]

- hand-drawn stroboscopic animation - really nice

'miracle of life' series of lennart nilsson (http://www.rit.edu/~mrppph/bio.html)

- incredible micro/macro shooting

and some avant garde classic too - peter greenaway tv dante (http://www.wayney.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/dante.htm), stephen sayadian dr. caligari (http://www.badmovieplanet.com/unknownmovies/reviews/rev101.html), derek jarman 'the last of england'

[scarab]

TRON .. the perfect lumakey movie :p

[AetherPan]

I like Barbarella. Really nice pictures-

but my alltime favourite is not a film it's a German TV Serie called "Derrick". For all how do not know Derrick I can tell that he is some kind of cop but without action! He just catches pretty normal murderers. And because of everybody know him here, he is kinda freaked out for me!

[brain]

some stuff from good old fellini will leave the audience stunned... lots of people don't know the movies! and those who do may have a laugh... or throw things at you, but hey thats promotion :)

the sick "caligula" from tinto brass is worth a look too, orgy-wise... but watchout: the uncut version needs careful handling!

beyond the valley? check out russ meyer's "wild girls of the naked west" - mindboggling stupid BUT trippy :)

digging deep into the expolitation 60's will bring up some priceless clips!

[littlecatalyst]

EPS those sound so cool! are they (dernier cri and hopital)russian? they remind me of using these crazy puppets a while back at this way too speedy show, i kinda wanted to turn the tables on the kids so i used this stuff by Svenkmayer (?) have you ever seen them? jeez east europe has some dope artists.....

[holly]

Fellini in C O L O R :

JULIET OF THE SPIRITS is the best. Lots of wacky circus people in mansions. Bold colors. Strange characters. No plot anyway.

[skyvat]

The Films of Charles and Ray Eames

They did the classic "Powers of 10" but they also did dozens of other films on a variety of subjects. Two of them are full of great images of spinning tops! Another entirely about toy trains.

As total films they are not always great, but from a technical and design standpoint they're quite nice.

[littlecatalyst]

thnx skyvat, charles and ray totally rock. have you seen the trip through their studio and eventual tearing down? it totally ripps in high speed. gonna keep my eyes out for the trains.... love the trains!

[littlecatalyst]

hey thought some might like this source for material, though its definitley not on the figurative side...

its the IOTA Store (have no idea what IOTA stands for but its like this institute for preserving the "art of light and movement in LA") and they have such a killer selection of primo art filmakers and even a Glen Mackay retrospective video that goes over his 40 years of colour tweakery

http://www.iotacenter.org/store/index.html

...i wonder what they think of vjc?

[unjulation]

personaly i'd go for "hurry on sundown" or "urben gerila", but thats just me
:)

[holly]

http://www.iotacenter.org/store/index.html

...i wonder what they think of vjc?

Rip them all! Rip them all!:p

Ouch. At those prices.... What's an institutional price? Suddenly I feel sorry for librarians.

[eps]

littlecat,

'le derniere cri' are french, probably from paris
they said they are working on the next film now, and the main topic of it will be religion [just imagine what can they do about it with all their phantasmic style ::]

and yes, western europe produce pretty weird stuff. jan svankmajer is one of my favourite visual artists too [have complete set of his works in my collection], as well as photographer jan saudek [it's photo without motion but has the same very impressive dark and stylish taste]

alas can't name such masters in russia for the moment

[eps]

re: http://www.iotacenter.org/store/index.html

tapes of stan brakhage, len lye and robert breer probably come from re:voir studio (http://www.re-voir.com/) of pip chodorov

i visited him in paris and briefly looked through every tape; selection is really fantastic [and pal version is available], but 30 euro per tape [well, ~25 euro for the friend of his friend], for private use only, and they are very suspicious about any kind of possible public use

i wonder they would add another zero or two in price if they only heard about using their precious collectibles for vjing

so finally i got there 3 releases: jeff scher, jurgen reble and martin arnold [brakhage was next on my list but out of budget already..]

and they really worth those money [no ads sorry ::]

[littlecatalyst]

Originally posted by eps
alas can't name such masters in russia for the moment

eisenstine works great when sped up (2-4X)...... ummm that dialectical montage. he's gotta count

[littlecatalyst]

Originally posted by eps
tapes of stan brakhage, len lye and robert breer

Beer and Brackage are a blast to play with!!! sorry you didn';t pick up the Brackage....

and they are very suspicious about any kind of possible public use .....i wonder they would add another zero or two in price if they only heard about using their precious collectibles for vjing and they really worth those money

it's funny that they don't want VJs to touch the stuff... i mean (especially with a top ten) so many more VJs and image-fans who have never heard of these guys will be buying them. it's like publicity for them...

then again, as everyone notices the tapes costs a lot (much more than moonshine dvds? prolly not) i still use a lot of stuff from film school when i figured out how to wire up all the vcrs in the viewing room and made copies....

this may not be the most ethical thing in the world to suggest, but what about a tree or some other methods of sharing these gems? I am now in the habit of buying as much as i can to support the (mostly dead) film makers... but sometimes you just gotta wonder.... besides stuff like the svenkmayers i can get my hand on here are like 1/10 of his output.... the stuff is really hard to find

[KillingFrenzy]

Just so y'all know, a compilation of Brakhage's work is coming out on Criterion DVD. For some reason it keeps getting pushed back, but it should be out within the next couple of months. It should be a really nice compendium of his work, at a quality much nicer than alot of these VHS releases that are around.

Recently, MysticFire.com has been moving to DVD as well. I highly recommend the Maya Deren collection they sell.

Hopefully more of these art house distributors will get on the ball and star selling more reasonably priced products instead of the institutional rate ones. I work at an independent video store and would LOVE to have a bigger Avante Garde section, but the institutional prices make it damned near impossible to justify. Some tapes cost as much as $300, and some of them are of very poor quality. Its sad that pricing and availability limits viewers in a field that already has a small enough following.

http://www.facets.org/
Is a good place to pick up all sorts of goodies.
You can also rent them, I believe.

[holly]

Back in the days when I worked at a video store there were almost no titles available for consumer purchase. Videos (vhs) were priced from distributers at anywhere from $80 to $120 each (probably more by now if the DVD market didn't kill that pricing scam). Tapes were priced to rent, not to buy.... Is the same thing going on here? Priced for Libraries and Universities? I was at Dia Center for the Arts and they had similarly priced classic arthouse videos: $300 and up, most over $800. And excuse me for saying this, but the majority of this work is only great because it was pioneering, but it's the sort of content almost any of us could do today for next to nothing on modern equipment....

Seems in this age of internet shopping it would be smarter for artists to hold on to their content and do small-press runs of 1000 to 2000 dvds at a go. I recently read that Natalie Merchant had cancelled all her music industry contracts because her last album sold in the neighborhood of 250000 copies(!). For an artist, this is really reaching a lot of peple, but for the record companies it was not viable, didn't even pay for the marketing (not to mention corporate overhead like jets, executive saleries, and year-end bonuses). So she was like, fine I'll do it myself online. For a single artist she's making as much as she ever did and her small store is still reaching fans....

I guess the question is, does a name like Brakhage need Mysticfire (and no disrespect to mysticf, they are kool as sh*t) to sell copies? Or is it the other way around? Hasn't the artworld and our ability to cheaply distribute quality content to niche markets changed so much as to make this sort of institutional market obsolete?

[spark]

just to change tack a little, my two favourite films for visuals are Duel and Vanishing Point - essentially two films that are purely a car chase. i believe its truthful somehow to openly declare you're remixing a film, and stick purely to it for a dj's set.... and films with a simple yet strong visual narrative (car... truck... roads... tension... release... tension.... bang! voila next dj and a change of mix) really work in this way.

it gives the films a complete new look when you start compositing scenes over each other and explore the relationship between the different shots.

... but before i get too up my arse of course there are a few golden clips i've ripped that meld into a spark showcase set; i couldn't live without 'em and i'm damn not going to tell ya where i got them from!

[kommy]

id like to give a quick shoutout to Kenneth Anger films (mystic fire crew)
maybe not top 10, but top 100 no doubt

[WordVirus23]

It's A Wonderful Life

B&W film, I've only mixed w/ it once, by request... but it had awesome scenes... dancing, revelry, ppl playing in the snow. it lumakeyed beautifully.

Closetland

Not about gay ppl. starring Alan Rickman & Madelene Stowe as the only two characters in the movie. very dark and powerful... very contrasting sets... much tension, very thoughtprovoking film some great audio samples too I'm sure. Great rippage for dark/bondage/evil nights.

The Hellstrom Chronicles

Good luck finding this one. a 70's mockumentary about insects with absolute F'ing awesome footage throughout the movie.

ANY ANIMATION BY: Jan Svenkmeyer(spelling?) or the Brothers Quay

[eps]

in russia [specifically in moscow] it's a bit easier [yet] cause you can just go to well known place and buy there pirate stuff - e.g. all svankmajer or jodorowski or whatever. i think it'll be over in next couple of years, but for the moment it still works this way.

the problem though that they are specific people who deal with this non-mainstream stuff and therefore all selection is done for their taste and ideas. that is, i got there works of kenneth anger and maya deren, but did not find brakhage or al razutis

as for sharing - well, my vj activity started when i was preparing some "underground" events and needed some special video to construct there some specific atmosphere; first i screened there 'tetsuo' of shinya tsukamoto, then 'holy mountain' of jodorowski, then came a lot of home-made compilations, blah blah blah.. i mean, the whole idea of dj/vjing was built upon idea of sharing - more than probably any other kind of public art activity

and i am also not talking about ethics - cause it's those f$cking art institutions who'd better think of it first. their obsoleteness is totally obvious, but it's just law of modern world - to create overhead structures and structures and structures over every really useful thing. this leads at some stage to more 'ambient' napster-style structures, which is not about ethics too - just shift from rules of money to rules of popularity - and for me it's not a question

[eps]

back to names

worldvirus,
JAN SVANKMAJER (http://www.illumin.co.uk/svank/) is spelled this way, sorry

early films by alessandro jodorowsky
- most symbolic images [and nearly most deep thoughts] i've ever seen in cinema - about every frame is worth enough to stare at for a while

'tetsuo [iron man]' by shinya tsukamoto
- classic of classic of dark man-versus-machinery visuals
b&w, very intensive imagery and motion

bbc series - 'supernatural', 'the human body', 'the human face', 'superhuman' - huge source of nice-looking 'scientific' and naturalist shoots

'i have married a strange person' by bill plympton
- animation film of classic mtv animator, very funny

the best of zagreb film - nudity required (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6305869669/ref=pd_sim_dv_1/002-2826371-7953662?v=glance&s=dvd)
- amongst others, features two great hand-drawn animations, which defined for me the standard of how 'cartoons for vjing' must look like

[silk]

war of the worlds :p

old sciencfition film

[littlecatalyst]

Originally posted by holly
....Is the same thing going on here? Priced for Libraries and Universities?

i made a bunch of scratchvideo/documentaries a few years ago (they're all called the earth changes, but all remixes...) about climate change and freaky new technologies.... $30 for indiviuduals and $120 for institutions (unless it was a nonprofit->$30). the libraries and collges got screening rights with the steep fee.. all-in-all it cost me about $50k and i made about $30K back...


Originally posted by holly
Seems in this age of internet shopping it would be smarter for artists to hold on to their content and do small-press runs of 1000 to 2000 dvds at a go. I recently read that Natalie Merchant had cancelled all her music industry contracts because her last album sold in the neighborhood of 250000 copies(!)...<del>...... So she was like, fine I'll do it myself online. For a single artist she's making as much as she ever did and her small store is still reaching fans....
Hasn't the artworld and our ability to cheaply distribute quality content to niche markets changed so much as to make this sort of institutional market obsolete?

i agree with you about the 1-2000 runs and f*ck the lables, but there's still the question of how Merchant could sell 250000 copies without 10000 maniacs and being on the cover of rolling stones and all that media attention. so how to reach people? holly does the FMT sell 1-2000 copies of works?? wow.

Originally posted by holly
And excuse me for saying this, but the majority of this work is only great because it was pioneering, but it's the sort of content almost any of us could do today for next to nothing on modern equipment....:sad::confused::eek:

[holly]

holly does the FMT sell 1-2000 copies of works??

I wish! We have no DVD for sale yet, and I don't have that kind of reputation anyway. I think Merchant already has a fanbase who are eagerly awaiting anything she'll sell them. Used kleenex, etc.

[littlecatalyst]

i just realized last night that one of my favorite series has yet to make it to the list here.... and now a little afriad that they may actually be too cheesy or cliche at this point, but here we go:
I played a party last night in toronto, (THANKS DAVE!!!!!) right near the audiovisualizers HQ... and it was an eco event so this was appropriate there but maybe not in a club--

"The Private LIfe of Plants" not to be confused with the secret life of plants, either a hot steevie wonder album, or that book about plants and ESP.

so yeah, PLOP, thats where hex nicked a lot of his images like those smoke-puffing flowers and super high speed plant movements....

pretty fun -- but may be cliche(?) (there's so many in that series youre bound to find some new and exciting stuff)

[littlecatalyst]

i just did something that still makes me giggle almost a week later-- though it may be a clip that could make it to the top 100....

anyone see the movie "Get Smoochy?" it came out last year with Williams/Norton as kiddie show hosts (one rainbow coloured one big and fuscia)... well the opening and closing scenes struck me as pretty groovy (lots of blinking lights millions of colours, Robin Williams dancing, kids dancing, crazy sets.....) and i couldn't help but loop parts of it and try it out. playing it on two tracks (one strobed) all swirly colours, kids, and lots and lots of boucing ghosts . woohoo!

now i want to play some progressivehouse parties because i think this is one of the best house sequences i have. especially his rainbow coloured leather coats spinning around with dope dance moves....

KILLER (and politically correct i think)

[littlecatalyst]

hey they re-released part 3 of the Jordan Belson trilogy
"5 films 1964-73" (i think vidoe only) it's only $30 and includes Samhadi http://www.iotacenter.org/store/

[Lara]

my favourite clip is one I use a still from for my avatar, I captured it by accident in college along with the best hand coloured film dancing Indian woman. I was watching crappy daytime TV and let the tape record on. When I got home I had the most beautiful stuff, and no idea where it came from . . .

[littlecatalyst]

i noticed that in the past there has been quite a bit of Brakhage appreciation here (makes sense to me) and i just though i'd let you in on a new release, i think it came out last week; 4hours of Stan Brakhage films, 26 films. all for about $30 (I heard its on amazone for $25). and digital!! each frame!!!! is anyone else as excited as I am????

http://criterionco.com/asp/release.asp?id=184

[starixiom]

Thanks for the link and update.

[eps]

wahoo, littlecat, you're the best
thanx a whole lot for info!

[xiayu]

how about hackers the moive? j/k...

[littlecatalyst]

woah!
:yep: i have a new fav-of-the-month!! have any of you ever seen this flick called "Sweet Charity" its old and verging on technicolor, story's pretty lame (girl who always goes for Mr. Wrongs finds a prince charming...)with- i assume an 18-year old- shirly mclean (!)

but hot damn! it's directed and choreographed by bob fosse, and has some totally killer killer killer dance scenes including one totally mod sequence with a red background sooo made for keying. and a hippie cult dancenumber with sammy davis jr as the priest in the church of love.. ok some of it would be too much but this film is a samplers wet dream! (now released on dvd)

[littlecatalyst]

dang :o
now i remember where i heard of that film.... thanks Holly!!!! that is a kicker! for me the scenen is Rich Man's Frug (all keyable....). what a blast!!

[littlecatalyst]

hey let me knwo what you think of this list so far...made with everyones help...... Whats Missing? What is too low (or too high)?

1. Jordan Belson; Yantra, Samhadi?
2. Amazing Mr. Bickford
3. the films of Charles and Ray Eames (incl. Power of 10)
4. anything by Jan Svankmajer
5. Hawkwind, Hurry on Sundown
6. Brakhage
7. Len Lye
8. NASA footage
9. the Dark Crystal
10. Robert Breer
11. Eisenstine at hyperspeed
12. Arthur Lipsett, Very Nice Very Nice
13. Le Drenier Cri, Hopital Brut
14. Vera Chytilova; Daisies, (Train Sequence)
15. Beyond the Valley of the Dolls (Party Scene)
16. The Ten Commandments/ Sodom & Gommorah (Orgy scenes)
17. Bob Fosse, Sweet Charity
18. Busbey Berkeley, Million Dollar Mermaid
19. Kubrick, 2001 (Jupiter & Beyond sequence)
20. Al Razoutis; Lumiere?s Train
21. Pink Floyd Crystal Voyager
22. Planet Earth sattelite dvds (Oceania)
23. Velcrow Ripper, Bones of the Forest
24. Lennart Nilson, Miracle of Life (series)
25. Jeff Scherr films
26. Tron
27. Barbarella
28. Russ Meyers, Wild Girls of the Naked West
29. Felini, Juliet of the Spirits (incolour!)
30. Kenneth Anger films
31. Richard Sarafian, Vanishing Point
32. It?s a Wonderful Life
33. Jaques Tati films
34. shinya tsukamoto 'tetsuo [iron man]'
35. BBC series - 'supernatural', 'the human body', 'the human face', 'superhuman'
36. Bill Plimpton 'i have married a strange person' by bill plympton
37. War of the Worlds
38. David Attenbourough, The Private Life of Plants
39. Danny DeVito, Death to Smoochy
40. Buster Keaton films

[hamageddon]

i've given up competative counting as in visual hitparade
but there's lovely stuff over here
http://www.paradise2012.com/visualMusic/musima/
and here....
http://www.re-voir.com/

[krokodril]

hey let me knwo what you think of this list so far...made with everyones help...... Whats Missing? What is too low (or too high)?

well, i'm ashamed to say the teletubbies

besides build in mix opportunities in their bellies an automatic replay function

kinda hate the freaks now.... still love their sun

[oxygen]

what about norman mc laren?
the canadian pioneer in film-animation techniques?

[wellREDman]

baraka? koyaa? powasquatsi?

[Rovastar]

I actually have just seen baraka yesterday. Some nice imagery there. But now I know what it is like I can notice any VJ's playing that stuff. :)

[eps]

hama,

i visited re-voir studio this february and had a look through their releases; about all of them are fantastic in terms of inspiration, but only few are really useful for vjing [i mentioned them earlier in this thread]

littlecat,

i would put jeff scher above brakhage [as i did in fact when was choosing which tape to buy].

anybody,

who knows what's the title of b/w short film where the face of a small boy is shot for ~15min; as the boy is looking at something different emotions are reflected on his face, pretty impressive. as far as i know, filmmaker is from israel.

[littlecatalyst]

Hama
that paradise 2012 link rocks!! a must for anyone who wants to know where (at least in part-- everyones different) we're coming from.....
and at the least, Hans Richter ought to belong to the list...
i understand ur not being into the counting (for me the number status isn't as big an issue, but it's kinda fun).. but i do think that in the future, IVJ magazine will prolly want to have top-10s from VJS (which will be really kewel when VJs are using loops they got from Dave or Radal Marx (or other servers)... i think it'll be fun in like 5 years to see who's loops are getting really hot)

[littlecatalyst]

krok--- ha ha ha teletubbies must be great in the right trippy environments... theyre just made to be phreaked, aren't they... definiitley gets on the list

same for McLaren, how did he not get on the list? some of his animations keyed can be total magic, eh? what title? I'd go for Blinkety Blank personally... but if you got a fav Oxygen, let us know!!


Baraka Koya Powaquatsi (and that new one which actually looks a lot like a VJ set) waddaya think? should we have a poll on these ones? I'm sure there are sequences tehre that still can get some mileage, but also there is quite a bit of vehemnce due to the overuse... still would seem stupid to leave them off the list

thanks for the input.... sherr will go up (still not at 100 but a top 40 is a nice start.... actually thining now to start asking people what their favorite loops (server loops and such, tradede.... so make up a top 10/100 there too.... other thoughts that these culd be split in to categories..... house/hiphop/goa/hardtech/psytrance....

[eps]

as for mclaren - pa de deux

b/w contours of man and woman dancing with traces of their movements - as if they are shot in strobe light [probably it was just the case ::]

classics of classics

[wellREDman]

Originally posted by littlecatalyst
Baraka Koya Powaquatsi (and that new one which actually looks a lot like a VJ set)

cool, id heard he was doing a new one,

whats the guys name ? so i can try and find it?

[eps]

godfrey reggio - 'naqoyqatsi'

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/B00005JLIA/qid=1065459513/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-6521382-9339012?v=glance&s=dvd&n=507846

[littlecatalyst]

if you are a fan of Koya and Pow imHo i think youll be a little bummed out by naq-- sure reggio is key but so was Ron Fricke (the cameraman who figured out all of those moves we and madison avenue have been enjoying for years), and he's the dude who did baraka... so its weird cause naq is sposdta be the thrid in teh trilogy but i think that baraka is really the bastard love child heir to that throne... naqoyquats is fun and imo a great vj set, but on a big screen it wasn't quite the same magic as the others,

(((which is where they belong, in 70mm prints.... and i still remember being in a festival once when baraka was premiering and nothing i have seen remixed (while pretty, and referential, or trippy) has ever come close to that experience.

[wellREDman]

I really at some point want to do a vj remix homage to the bunch of em

itd be way cool to see loadsa remixes of the same movie

ive mentioned this before, but imagine moving around a gallery with the koyaa music playing, and loads of different interpretations running in unison to it on different places on the walls

its the sort of thing a gallery would be well up for, and the filmmakers too id warrant,

and all of us that cut our vj teeth with it can go backand revisit it now with all the tools and experience weve built up since

and legally too

way cool

[oxygen]

as for norman mc laren i like his drawing animations experiments (f.i. chicken+egg) , and the ones he shot with pixellation-techniques + slowmotion fades, like the two guys trying to hit each other and the guy chasing a chair and the chair chasing him.
...sorry, dont remember titles...

[oxygen]

oh, and some more i'm missing here:
olympia by leni riefenstahl
and metropolis by fritz lang

[spark]

i'm with red on that mass-jam. vanishing point, hmmmm...

[littlecatalyst]

ohhhhhhhyahhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! that's what i want to hear!! ive been thinking about doing a couple of legal remixes homage to the grandaddys for a dvd.. .but dang! that would be the coolest tribute album to come out yet-- like 12 tracks 12 vjs doing remixes of their faves, or everyone getting a little more free range (heh heh...) we oughta get on this..

i have herd funny things about some of them legal wise, especially from families of dead artists and especially when no permissin was asked in advance ......but if we do it right from the getgo-- maybe get a lable interested and/or some arts council or institution, i think we could get it happening

sign me up :yep:


RED:o what do you mean, go back? :o

[eps]

if we put *qatsi and baraka "on the list" [whatever that means] let's not forget 'chronos' - another ron fricke film, most dynamic of all those