Copy Rights Law and all that jazz

[VJLightness]

i want to advise people to watch this movie

Steal This Film II

the official page -> http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2/

im not going to put my selfe in a position on this matter cose this is a internet forum.

enjoy

[Kyle]

I saw this, there is also a part one that does some interviews with Piratebay.org

http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part1/

[VJLightness]

i think the second movie is much better then the first , for people that never saw any of this , i think they should see the second one first.
they are about the same thing , but one does not complete the other or vice versa , they are just 2 movies about the same.

second one have a lot more interviews.

i do not recomend the first movie , only the second.

[vdmoKstaTi]

create, create, create, create
the more you give the more you get
the creation of a new type of society through introduction of the internet will lead the way
to the way we live, and think and work
lets not reinvent the wheel here, keep learning and keep growing
there is so much more to this universe and we yet a lot to discover
peace

[Rovastar]

Just started to watch this and I am expecting more of the same. (I think I saw the first one but most of these anti-copyright films have the same message, questionable facts and/or business models, and ignore the basic premise of protecting (or even attempting to protect) creative works and stop them being abuse/misused and let the creators attempt to make a living from them.). I hope I am proved wrong here.

First point of note and I have only got 2:30 seconds in.

Fred Von Lohmann - Attorney, EFF
To para-quote what he said "Suing individuals for downloading music without permission."
That is not correct at all. The vast majority (I would say all but not 100% sure on that) have been sued for 'sharing' / 'uploading' without permission not 'downloading'.

There is a huge difference between the 2 and it somewhat destroys
all the creditability of this 'attorney' if he cannot get even the most basic legal facts right.

[sleepytom]

you cannot download from p2p networks without uploading - that's how they work! the people they have arrested have not been "sharing" any more than any other users. (it's not like they were running ftp servers for others to download from is it?)

it's a pretty desperate thing when a dying business model starts to arrest children to try and protect it's profits!

[complexvisuals]

you cannot download from p2p networks without uploading

Thats not true.

[Rovastar]

Tom, legally there is a world of difference (and the attorney should know this) distribution is the bigger crime than the customer. And many p2p systems you can don’t without uploading. In fact all of them that I know you have to download something first from them before you can share it.

I also object to the fact that the film seems to imply that making new material is entirely at odds with copyright law. It is not at all.

The Internet has opened up for new creators possibilities beyond anything else. And their *is* enough material out there, legally to remix. Are they really saying these people can that make remixes from copyrighted sources. Come on.

The myspace generation who makes music often wants to share. All this material is available. Now more than ever legally you can take samples and build new music, etc.

Also it spends a section about creating at the end of the film and becoming a new creative outpost. But the vast majority of p2p2 films, music is not to remix and create something new. WE here might be somewhat creative with it but 99.99% of people just want it because it is free and they have little respect for the original artists be that a lone animator or a Hollywood studio.

Nothing is stopping anyone making new stuff out there. The Internet is a great place for it. I support things like Creative Commons and this film is directly at odds with it.

[sleepytom]

ok lets restate it p2p networks do not function properly if everyone were to try to download only. it is a falsity to claim that your less of a thief because you have blocked your upload slots. you know full well that you cannot download from the network unless people are seeding the file.

if you use p2p to download illegally your supporting piracy as much as the people who are using it to share regardless of how much you as an individual have uploaded.

the point about the myspace generations willingness to share is that these are people who've grown up expecting to be able to download freely anything they want to - they like doing it and so when they start to create something themselves they are willing to share it (as they understand that without the uploaders their would be no downloaders!)

the music industry hates this even more than people sharing copyrighted work - the idea that all the pointless wankers in sports cars (err sorry music industry executives) are not needed by the musicans really frightens the music industy. after all radiohead make enough money by asking for a donation when you download their tracks (now they don't have to pay for the executives cocaine habit anymore)