VJC compulation indie DVD

[vjpixylight]

I was wondering if any of you peeps out there want to contribute a live, original A/V piece to a indie VJC label experiment..??

Ground rules:
1. all A/V material must be original, or already licensed from the original creators.
2. all A/V material must be original, or already licensed from the original creators.
3.This will in turn be a VJC collective effort, with any and all proceeds from DVD sales going into the VJC community in the form of grants and underwriting's.
4. All work that is published will represent all artists involved with credits and interviews.
5. All work accepted must not be NO longer than 10 min., and must, repeat must, be a "live VJ style mix".(no post production please!)

I will author all the entries that meet these general rules into a DVD in a manner that will use a DJ to mix the various tracks down to a mix, and then have multi camera views for each of the VJ mixes. This will enable the DVD to be switched between any number of VJ's, and will not give any particular VJ's more exposure than others...

What do you all think? Email me privately if you are interested in forming a VJC commitee to administrate this VJC project..

-VJ Pixylight

[kommy]

i'm very interested, ive had the same idea for awhile, BUT, why does it have to be a "live" mix? if im putting something to dvd i'd like to make it as perfect as possible and that entails putting it thru premeire and tidying it up. i think we should submit a 7-10minute piece that represents our individual style and is good enough for vjs to use in their sets if they so desire. thats my 2 cents, very interested though.

[burstingfist]

Is a "compulation" a compilation of copulation? or a copulating compilation? or is it a compilation that copulates? Just curious so I know what type of compulation to submit.

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by kommy
i'm very interested, ive had the same idea for awhile, BUT, why does it have to be a "live" mix? if im putting something to dvd i'd like to make it as perfect as possible and that entails putting it thru premeire and tidying it up. i think we should submit a 7-10minute piece that represents our individual style and is good enough for vjs to use in their sets if they so desire. thats my 2 cents, very interested though.

Okay, I can give in to that, but lets say it has to have live mixing elements within it, can be edited, but within reason. I am thinking that it is supposed to be about the different VJ styles as it relates to the music that accompanies it. If a VJ cannot come up with there own original music, no worries, that VJ will be supplied with music from one of the other contributing A/V artists.The video only artist will be featured in one of the A/V mix sets, but will be a camera angle (channel) in the original contributing artists A/V mix.

How does that sound?

[vjpixylight]

Originally posted by burstingfist
Is a "compulation" a compilation of copulation? or a copulating compilation? or is it a compilation that copulates? Just curious so I know what type of compulation to submit.

:p
I was catapulting over compulsating compilations while comiserating with companions..

[KillingFrenzy]

Howzabout creating the audio mix, and then having each person submit a visual mix to go along with it.

OR having each person submit an edited piece with original audio that isn't a "live" mix and having the other peeps do live mixes as the alternate angles. Then, give people various options for how to run the disc from the main menu; Edited pieces, selected "best pieces" live mix, or stick with one artist for the whole mix. I find most people won't fool with a multi-angle feature during play, but will experiment with main menu options that use similar features.

The worst thing I can imagine is sending in a video mix that gets put to audio after the fact.

[spaceman]

I've got quite a few unreleased tracks(electro, trance, break beats) that I would like to make available to v.j.s for making av pieces.
Also if anyone has suggestions I would be happy to team up with people and produce custom tracks for v.j. mixes.
if anyone interested let me know.

[InsideUsAll]

do it live.

isn't that what this whole v.j thing is about?

anyone can do it in premier/a.e/f.c.p - this V.J'ing thing we're all supposed to be doing is about mixing visuals live. OK - use a pre done audio mix, but get every contributor to record their set live.

for me thats what this is all about

Pixy> you know I'm up for getting involved in any project with you. after our last session I can't wait to work with you again. I'll e-mail you about a possiblility that may make that next session not too far off!

[Rovastar]

Yeah try and do a 'live' one if you are to do it. Not that obviously prerecorded Mixmasters stuff that Addictive TV had. That I know many of you here have done.

DIfficult to pull of obviously as everyone will redo and perfect their stuff.

:) Cheats, cheats, the lot of you. :) :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[sleepytom]

live or not who cares????

when this disk is sold it will be brought by people who have no understanding of the diffrence between live visuals and edited visuals (actually when i think about it i'm not sure i know the difrence)

the main issue that people care about is quality of final output - if you've paid ?10 for a dvd you don't want the stuff on it to look like a shitty old vhs tape that has spent its life being dragged round clubs and bars. also you will expect the cuts to be intime and the piece to have a coherancy that is lacking from allmost all the live vjs sets that i have watched. - the pieces need to be good enough to stand up to repeted viewing otherwise nobody will buy the dvd.

also who is going to define LIVE? - i can make up a ten min piece in after effects and then cut it into 10 one min clips and play back them "live" in VJo but all of the edit and compositing and effects have been done in advance so its not actually that live isit?

for me the point about "live VJing" is that your working without prior knoledge of what the music will be like, what the next track will be etc- this is an impossable situation to fake outside of the club.

[Rovastar]

I know what you are saying mate (hence the smilies in the previous post) but I just felt cheated thinking they didn't know that weirdo music was going to do that crazy drop there for no reason. They call themselves a VJ these are music videos ffs. :);):)

Obviously 99.99% of the public will not think that. Maybe oneday someone elese will. :)

One day maybe it will be like a 'live' recording of a band. People actually pay for these.

[InsideUsAll]

i think this is exactly what we need to make the public aware of, -the fact that we are mixing live. The reason we are not famous, and people still ask us if we're doing the audio/selling glowsticks/watching TV, is because V.J'ing has not been explained to the mainstream.

This is what events like AVit & ProjectOZMA are about, raising the awareness of the general public to what we are doing. And sharing the output of our community with the public.

I see your point tom about pre edited mix content. -we have a few music video type clips which we edit into and out of. But unless luck is on your side (which it often seems to be when your in the zone) the edits rarely match the music as well as a piece mixed from a selection of clips of certain scenes/shots composited live.

Of course people will cheat, but thats up to them. If they choose to lie about the content they produce for something thats going to be sold to the masses, they will be the ones shown up, and laughed at when they play at events and people realise they can't actually mix.

And with regards to output quality. I don't think our output looks like a "shitty old vhs tape that has spent its life being dragged round" If other people who could/would be working on this have content that looks like that, then I suggest they sort their equipment out. I've produced mixes for DVD that look fine, even to my keen eye. A punter wouldn't notice the difference.

We need people to know what V.J'ing is. So hiding behind pre-rendered content is not the way forward. -in my opinion.

[ecin]

maybe you should select a BPM or a specific set of audio for people to mix to. if not wouldn't you be stretching certain clips to match the audio that you choose? what about choosing a complete 60-90 minute DJ mix and splitting it up into 10-15 minute segments. hand out those each segments to maybe 3-5 VJ's. the final product could have 30-50 different jocks showcased.

i actually find it less time consuming to put together a mix live rather than editing it in some editing package. it took me weeks of work to do a 5 minute video in premiere, it would take me 5 minutes to do is live. IMHO it seems easier to do some effects live rather than cut up footage and tweak effects until they look "perfect".

then again, my reflexes can't be quantized :)
what if we start with a 30 minute set and then edit it down to perfection for the final release?

BTW - most consumer based DJ mix cd's are not done live unless specifically noted, its all mixed in a studio on a computer to save time and money.

[LEVLHED]

of course he means that VJs doing the different mixes/angles for an audio track will have the audio track to work off of...

It would seem that AVIT, N.A. is a unique oppourtunity to get multiple live mixes off a SINGLE audio track....bring recording decks (! :)

[vjpixylight]

Personally, I would like to see it done with 'live' VJ mix style technique, as I don't believe there are enuf labels/artists doing this. I under stand if some want to edit out a mistake here or there, but having a live feel is what is lacking with most of todays commercial DVD's.

Ecin, I agree about keeping the music in a similar Genre and BPM, but would prefer to get original music to work with, and not a DJ mix per se. (unless it is a fully licensed mix, bought andf paid for)

I think that there will be enuf songs come in to work with. Merekaballa (trance group I'm in) has a couple of decent psy-trance tracks to work with, (and/or ambient tracks).

Maybe we could get extended mixes of the tunes, (10-15 min) divide it up into 4-5 different genres/temps groups, then match out the VJ mixes to the type of Genre the VJ mixing is most comfortable with? The audio on the DVD would then be a compilation of talent and music..

[xenite]

I would contribute to this. What is the next step? What is the best way to capture a set, other than simply videor taping it off of a screen? Or is the point to get the crowd, VJ in there as well?

--xenite

[xenite]

I have a trance DJ friend in SF who may be willing to contribute a track or so as well.

[Lara]

Great idea. I'd love to do a mix if you're still lookin for contributors. What res will the output be? I use MD3 so if I was going to do a live mix it would only be 640x480.

I think vjs should be allowed to provide their own original/licenced audio if they want- I know that the style of music I play to really influences my style of visuals, and it would be crap to have to play to music you didn't like.

[holly]

Great idea Pixy. I like using the camera angles feature to layer vjs over the same music ? a viewer could switch VJs midstream. Too bad we can't do that in the real world :p !

I guess it would be easiest to put the audio up somewhere compressed as mp3s. Vjs download the music and crank out the vids.... Also, I think maybe it would be a nightmare for you to edit the mixes after the fact (other than trimming the ends to match the music, wouldn't VJs complain?), but using tracks "as is" means you will be receiving every conceivable video format to transfer to DVD.... Quality will be all over the place, but that's what a live compilation is all about, right? Otherwise it's a sampler of demo movies.

Count me in: 1 vid mix to music you provide (10 minutes?). Sounds cool.

[vjpixylight]

Email me at vjpixylight@hotmail.com and let me know..
1. do you have a A/V mix?
2. do you have just video to add?
3. do you have just original/licensed music to add?
4. what genre music do you what/need to mix too..

In order to get DVD quality mixes, please try to ouyput your mix to 640x480 (I will scale it to DVD full frame, 720x480).

anything else?

Yea holly, if we could get a few tunes, (licensed or original) I will put them up on my sight to download..That will be a first step as
it will be good to get a number of tracks from ppl too give the mixing VJ's some music that they dig to mix too..

[labmeta]

i`d be well up for contributing to this if there is still opportunity, i`ve got some origanl music to share if its needed.

i`ll email you some details.