sampling videos, movies etc

[visualchemy]

The question is
How do you guys top VJs get away with this?

Do you contact copyright owners?
Or you just don't ask?

I'm not asking about beginners in pubs but top20 VJs playing at high profile parties who sure - VJ Anyone, 2ndNature to name the few?

Each time I ask this question there is a silence...

An I don't mean to judge it - just asking about how do you get away with this cause that is one of the most efficient way to do a great show at low cost, referring to current social vibes while maintaining personal style.

And yet even on this forum theres so much ranting about ethics, law, and how sampling is 'baaad' and very very dangerous.

For some its not. I'd love to hear how.

[vjpixylight]

you get away with it by just doing it, simple as that. Until there is a court precedent set, involving this kind of copyright control) it will happen unimpeded..(If you can't beat them join them....or...If you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen, comes to mind..

[The Empiral Daze]

Hi!

I would like to upload some of my mixes on myspace. The thing is that there´s "harvested" material on those mixes and loops from other visual artists (shared stuff). At a cretain point, it´s my own creation, but with some loops that I cutted out from movies... Should I upload it? If so, can anyone suggest me any particular video hosting site? Tnx.

[bryandod]

I would like to upload some of my mixes on myspace. The thing is that there´s "harvested" material on those mixes and loops from other visual artists (shared stuff). At a cretain point, it´s my own creation, but with some loops that I cutted out from movies... Should I upload it?

upload it.

[LEVLHED]

its a light grey area. it boils down to in a live situation, a show/performance, you can get away with sampling.
The moment you record it and redistribute it as your own you are breaking copyright law.

[visualchemy]

If in doubt, why not adding the credits at the end of the clip, listing the movies and music you've used. This way it can be beneficial to everyone involved.

[gnomatron]

You're already breaking copyright law in a live situation, but you're less likely to get into trouble for it, for various reasons. It's obviously a lot harder to prove you've broken the law unless there's a recording of your mix. There are bigger fish to fry, too; you're not out there selling pirate dvds after all.

I reckon crediting the stuff you sample is a bad idea for just that reason - it removes any doubt about where you've nicked stuff from. Crediting copyright free sources or ones you've paid for is a different matter, of course.

I'd hope that at least some of the copyright holders recognise that sampling their work is a good thing for them, too. Obviously some don't and go to great lengths to stomp on any derivative work or unauthorised use.

My feeling is that unless you're presenting it in a deliberately bad light, sampling creates an association between the film/tv show/whatever and the music/nightclub/generally enjoyabel experience. Look at all the Charlie Says DVDs that have been sold - they owe an awful lot to a sample in a certain rave track from the early 90s. Might be an extreme example, but sampling on the whole adds to the cultural status of a piece of work, and that status is what sells stuff ten years down the line.

Mind you I still don't like sampling all that much, largely because 9 times out of 10 it's done very badly.