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[unjulation]

i might be an ass for saying this but i'm typeing with real feeling, we spent months geting the first avit together and the whole space was about geting people involoved within it includeing the whole process and i dont see it happaning, i know shit about whats goining on in the states and avit uk looks like its terning out they same way, the whole f******g point of it was to de-mistyfie the the prosesses of creating something like this, for me, i could be rong for every one else, but for me thats what made it strong it wasn't about comites and invite only meatings and all the rest of the things that have made the world that we know now, that have created the war every one seems to hate so much, as far as i can see unless we change some of those basic ways of dealing with the world and each outher we are only going to keep repeating them
look guys i could see the avit name becomeing corperate and haveing shareholders and people who look with those eyes calling the shots
make mony, fine!
make your indervidual names, fine!
but keep the process open
it realy is about the fact that some day you will be replaced by someone at some point, its the way life works so we might as well pass on as much as we can so maybe they wont fuck up as badly as we did

[ToddGraft]

Unj M8,
sorry to hear that there is a problem with AVIT UK for you.
I don't really understand your attitude here especially towards fellow VJ's who answered your call to arms when you invoked the Leeds resolution. It was a hard battle to overcome all the odds facing that event. Time restrictions, organisation through cyberspace and no financial back up could have resulted in defeat. However, your comrades in vision, created a WMD for VJ's on a global scale. This field was open to all and although the number of combatents was small last year, our ranks have been reinforced substantially. The problems that arise from a multitude of opinions and ideas will not help AVIT 03 but the lessons learned from the previous year, will. Many ppl are working hard at this moment, with no financial gain to themselves, to drive forward the VJ world as thats what they believe in. To cope with the dictates of the real world, AVIT must meet that on a level footing and so it's processes will be open for business very soon with the AVIT website, and from a lot of work behind the scenes.
I hope that with your openess, it does not infer that we have fucked up badly, or are you just generalising from your own situation.

Peace be with you XXX
(90 days AJ)

[unjulation]

finaly back on tera ferma from too much work and not enought sleep, so i do apologise for my out berst if you chechk the time of post you'll see it was about 7-8 am, and no thats not the time of geting up but working all through the night, lol, so apoligise for any arseyness but i will stick by the fact that things should be in the public domain it creates self ownership of the project and therfore will allow people to take responsibility for the work that is involved
yes i know that as always these things need a finel line ware the buck stops which we have got but by puting info and regular up dates and asking for sergestions allowes everyone else to feel part of it which was what i was trying to say with my last sledge hamer of a topic

[karmavideo]

6 & 1/2 dozen top the other...

Todd, that is one way fucking cool AVIT image.

props

[Rovastar]

:) it is the only clip Todd has got. :);)

[vjnixmix]

So... in response to your thread unj... I want to justify my stance as I am here in the states. You know it's pretty much me and my crew, Simplistiks & Levlhed planning AVIT North America... and I have had help... although I wouldn't classify it as complete dedication. I have resorted to recruiting my everyday friends to help with any tasks they can relate to with they themselves not actually VJ's but simply believing in my cause and believing in MY passion... because they have seen me accomplish before.

So now that we have the buzz going and the site up and the mini-flyers out... I am seeing people jumping on the bandwagon... which is great because I have just about lost my mind, having dedicated my entire personal life to AVIT 100% since November... I am a bit wore out on the whole thing... although I have not surrended my beliefs and my drive, my patience is thin. I have called out for help numerous times... put faith in people that only half-way came thru and here I am.

I hope the people that are getting involved with my efforts as we speak... will be sincere and honest about the help they will contribute... and things will be great either way... it is just going to boil down to whether or not I am sane in the end... and how much sleep I am actually allowed to get...

what we have is heavily influenced on each others events... and it is as an entity, whole. One wouldn't be without the other. Although it wouldn't be happening without certain people's dedication to it... I am not sure how you guys look at it in Leeds, but here, without me and Bassheadde (Bishop) this wouldn't be happening... and I take pride in the fact that we're making it happen

Maybe it's just an issue of location here in the states.. or maybe people are too tied up in their own to think of the whole... not sure. But I hope to open up our community in the process... although it is something that many of us are not familiar with... community.

hmmm... just thoughts.... in response.

[disassembler]

Originally posted by unjulation
it wasn't about comites and invite only meatings and all the rest of the things that have made the world that we know now

look guys i could see the avit name becomeing corperate and haveing shareholders and people who look with those eyes calling the shots
make mony, fine!
make your indervidual names, fine!
but keep the process open


Originally posted by unjulation

i will stick by the fact that things should be in the public domain


Dis-assembler:
What I wrote was deleted for whatever reason.

[vjnixmix]

alright Dis - I know we talked in Chat the other day quite extensively... but this keeps coming up now.

Are you worried about something?

Let's get this out in the open and deal with it.

What's your concerns about AVIT North America?

[disassembler]

Wondering what AVITcore is for, what makes you AVIT core, how do you join, who are they, and why is it private.

I'm confused Nix that's all. I fear a private organization could have a negative influence on the future of AVIT. Something that isn't about money, but about the goodwill of the VJC community.

Seems the quote I used from Unjulation (AVIT founding father) shares the same fear.

[wellREDman]

the avitcore is the informal name for those of us who organised avit uk 02 in leeds and are organising avit uk 03 in brighton,

we of course also liased heavily with nix,lev and bishop during their organising of avit US and extend the same hand to anyone else wanting to to organise an avit elswhere (come on you ozzies get it together, theres more to life than barbies)which then feeds back to us with their input into our plans

there is nothing secretive or sinister about us, we just logistically found it completely impossible to do all the nitty gritty of organising an event throught the public forums,

we have weekly online meetings and then liase with the broader community through the forums where appropriate, such as trying to find out what workshops ppl want etc.

its not a nice or easy job, those of us who were onboard for leeds personally lost an awful lot of money not to mention the hundreds of hours of time that went into it. and as brighton is gonna be bigger by a huge factor these demands are gonna go up not down.

since leeds we've almost doubled the size of the core as more and more ppl have volounteered to help


those in avitcore are:
Unjulation
Inside us all
Randomfx
Superflysista
Nixmix
Hamageddon
syzygy
pilotx
Todd
Spark
Stickman
VJ Anyone
Charlie Langridge
Sleepytom
Elbows
2bitTV
Visualnaut
and yours truly (apologies if i missed anybody out)

[sleepytom]

avitcore is the group of people currently planing and organising avit uk

it is nessasery to hold regular online meetings to discuss the details and logistics of organising the event - last nights meeting took 4 hours! this is with everyone knowing each other and having an agenda in advance and having a reasonable idea of what we're trying to achive, the venues that we're using etc etc

if it took place in a public chat room it could well of taken 4 days to get though the stuff we had to discuss yesterday (as there would be constant off topic chat and people asking for everything to be repetedly clarified)

its a simple matter of needing to get stuff done - if someone offers specific help then they will be asked to join avitcore - as time goes by avitcore will grow and possably spawn sub groups that have specific responabilitys

all of this is very normal for democratic organisations - it is simply too cumbersome to organise events by mass consensus.

The need to have regular face to face meetings limits the geographical scope of avitcore - there is little that someone in the states can do to help organise an event in brighton, however this doesn't prevent you from being involved in AVIT - it just means you need to sort out plans for an AVIT event in your part of the world. Do not take this lightly though - its a hell of a lot of work to do and nobody on avitcore is payed for there time.

rest assured avit ain't gonna make any one a load of money - on the contrary it will cost the organisers cash from there own pockets

[disassembler]

HOly shit that's alot of peeps compared to the US.

It would be interesting to list what each of your roles and donations were. It could act as a working checklist of things to get and do. A list of responsibilities that defines the cores. That way a team could get a idea of how many people they should get involved and how to break up the workload.

[vjnixmix]

the organizers of AVIT North America 2003 plan to regroup shortly to discuss AVIT N.A. 2004 and establish the AVIT NA Core for 2004.

Listen to RED and Sleepytom and really take their wisdom to heart as they correct - planning avit is not all glory... it is blood, sweat and tears. It is putting all other things aside to create something new and bring a young culture (in the states) together. It is a sacrifice, it is a challenge and at times a test of personal will. It is by no means a private organization and trust me that there is no money to be made here.

We welcome help and we need help for AVIT North America 2004. There are a few of us who made Avit NA 2003 possible (nixmix, Bishop, Levlhed, VJ Culture (< the main organizers but not the only people that made it happen) We will touch base lay the groundwork when Grant (VJ Culture) returns from oversees and then we will announce what needs to be done to make next year more of a success. Planning is not exclusive and we expect our community to step forward.

We are still catching our breath though so you may have to give us a moment :cool:

There are several things we need in place for AVIT North America 2004 as of now ...

- Web Hosting for www.avit.us as the guy providing it now... needs to be relieved of this responsibility.

- Dissasembler has volunteered to help with the web design - which we are still establishing what needs to be done.

These are the only priorities in place right at this time - as I guarantee you more will come up.

There is more to say... but my head is pounding and I need sleep ... so this should be continued soon... thanks.

[wellREDman]

definitely hats of to miss nix and crew,

we put together Avituk 02 with i think 8 ppl , and it was HARD work(part of the reason weve expanded the core so much this time ) so for those guys to have pulled off a similar thing with just4 of them ... wow

[ToddGraft]

AVIT UK2002 in Leeds pointed out a few things to me:-

Only a small number of VJ's were prepared to give their time to help organise things.
A VERY large amount of forum VJ's could not even spare ?10 to donate towards the expense of the event.
A number of forum VJ's could only contribute with negative comments.

AVIT UK 2003 will, however:-
Have more VJ's offering the RIGHT skills when needed.
Have a large amount of VJ's donating at least ?25
Forum VJ's contributing useful and professional feedback

Thank you for all your support, It is going to be one hell of a time for VJ's soon.

BTW these are the ppl who really started it!

[unjulation]

right i think i better respond to this thred, especialy as i started in, with a few explanations and a publick apoliagey, for any confushion and insults that i might have caused :rolleyes:

firstly i think i need to eat humbell pie and apologise for my drunken rant that started all this in the first place as anyone who knows me either face to face or through the forums will testifie i have a tendancy to get on my high horse, this perticular nag gets very tall when i've had a drink or 6 so i do end up ranting and then haveing to apoligise when i'm hungover :(

due to the way that the initial avit was created via this forum a lot of the leg work and contact makeing had to be crated hear, haveing come up with the idea i then needed the people to fill the roles so put calls out on the site, keeping it in the vjcentral/forums family, it basicly was a matter of nasesity

as tom pointed out createing these things take time, its hard enough sorting things on line let alone in the public chat room, this was how we first started with avit 1 but soon had to abandon it due to the very reasons that tom pointed out

as you may or not know last year we had to have a pay to play policay due to lack of funding which as far as i know evrey one contributed to it and some who didnt even come sent in donations to help it along, chears to one and all on that point for makeing it happen in the first place,

as red said it realy is imposible to create something of this ilk by genrall consensus it would take an eon to organise

but you do bring up some interesting points for consideration ie that of roles/hats so outhers can see whats needed basicly of the top of my head

venue leasion
project management
submishions
accomadtion
fundraiseing
tresurer
publicity design-posters flyers web site
tech co-ordanation
press hand outs

this is by no way a full list and the way we are working there are at least two people working within each sector

so once again i should apologise for being a bit of an arse in the first place :(

and i should second the fact there is no great conspricey going on hear its just a matter of nascesity based upon what we found out from our experiance last year

haveing wrote this maybe anouther role we need is someone to put up regular updates hear at the forum so people can see how its progresing but you have to understand that we are in nagotions with several funding bodies and indervidual vjs etc so it could destroy those negotions if it was put into the public domain to early

i hope this helps in understanding what the deal is, there is undoubtably things i've mised due to the hangover i'm sufering from, nows theres a serprise ;)

[ToddGraft]

These roles mentioned are covered, I should point out that we would like to have a plethora of VJ's filling roles needed closer to the event date.
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[unjulation]

These roles mentioned are covered,

yep sorry should have mentiond that, i was just trying to show what are the basic roles needed to cover an event like this

[spark]

also to return to an original point of avit - it there to get the community together, face-to-face. this doesn't mean avits have to be done the way they have worked out so far, its all about empowering those who want to make something cool out of this scene in the real world. so at the moment, as well as the UK & NA festivals, we also have the open airvit - part of the 'art and beauty' village of a computer hacker's camp in the countryside - this won't require the same logistics or crew, and offers a quite different experience and opportunities.

so, the first avit event snowballed from 'a drink in the pub' to the massive event it became and there is a now crew of people networked and doing loads of work to make the next avit in the uk happen. by no means is this a template that must be followed, but if you want to go the large festival route, then there is wealth of experience we can share - and we want to help.

oh, and avitcore is called avitcore 'cos that is what i named the yahoogroup i set up to deal with the huge amount of infomation flowing between those organising the founding event, it was getting out of hand and something dedicated was required.

so listen up -- now that avit truly has taken off, there are many issues about organisation between avits, what is and can be avit, and who has what sway over these things... so here (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=3167) is a new thread for people to say what they want from avit and how it should involve the community.

-- oh, and niky the vjc (+so avit) server is there, ready and waiting to host avit.us =]