Cinetrip Vj Tournament

[lennyoplasma]

Hello!

I've been to the event and all I can say is that it was the worst
experience that i ever had at an A/V event,from almost all point of views.
I've never seen so many cold,colourless,feelingless,monotonous video sets,it was all about violence,politics,and occasionally pornografy.The music was also monotonous,without variety.At the end of the day I didn't know wich set by wich artist was performed cause all were the same,boring.All the sets were a big mess,the visual part didn't connect with the audio one at all,not to mention that ocassionally I saw pictures of politicians,of atomic bombs exploding,blood all over,just awfull,if this is how they feel about the music,if this is what they want to express or transmit,then they are very sick.
I don't think there is music wich wishes to express exploding of atomic bombs, etc.Generally all the visual information was negative.
There was a technical problem just before I had to perform my set,but that was not the problem.I felt total ignorance from the organizers part,they didn't care about anything or anyone,they just wanted to continue with the "show",they were more concerned about their reputation
then the atmosphere among the public,or the performers,at the moment it was not a surprize because it has been the same from the moment that I arrived at the place of the event.
I think it was the last thing even in mainstream vjing,it was worse then comercial.
The only pozitive thing was the location,the Merlin theatre,nice place.
It was a short version of my personal oppinion.

greets,
lennyoplasma

[disassembler]

I take it you didn't win the tournament.

[alangeering]

Does anyone else who performed want to give another perspective on this event?

Was this the first time you met VJs who show thier politics in their visuals?
What's your style?

Is your complaint that there wasn't much bredth in the acts (i.e. they were all war themed) or that they were badly done?

Alan

[lennyoplasma]

disassembler (http://www.vjforums.com/member.php?u=1447)
I take it you didn't win the tournament.

You'r quite naive to think that my reaction is do to i did not won the event.
It's my opinion about the event.I'm vjing because I enjoy it,not to boost myself.If you think I'm inventing these things,then you live in a fairytale.



alangeering (http://www.vjforums.com/member.php?u=5560)
Was this the first time you met VJs who show thier politics in their visuals?
What's your style?
Is your complaint that there wasn't much bredth in the acts (i.e. they were all war themed) or that they were badly done?

Violence doesn't resume on the context of war only,violence is a really large term,and it can result of deformed character to.You can get a lot of political information from comercial tv chanels,i personally do not need to see such things at an event that should be part of the subculture(underground).Or not in this form.Maybe in an ironic,concrete context.
No,its not the first time that I saw poilitical informatioan integrated in a visual form,performed by Vj's.I saw good performances to,but these ones were naive,technically very poor,trully they did not show any concrete
ideas,they just put some pictures that refer to politics, because it's trendy-wendy.

greets,
Lennyoplasma

[matthecat]

it was all about violence,politics

a pretty current theme in Budapest no?

[Anyone]

I was one of the juges at Cinetrip,
along with a media studies uni teacher from Budapest,
a gallery owner from Budapest as well,
one of the members of Flexer, from rome,
a one of the organisers of Cinetrip.

first I have to say I agree,
many VJs entering the cmpetition did have geeky material,
ie porn and blood downloaded from the net.

but these where quickly filtered out.

The reason why the collective which that came on top
was not because they used some porn in their mix.
it was because these were mixed with other elements
of mass consumer culture, in an interesting way.

also the images were of high quality at was mixed
on time with the music.

subject matter was not the onky criteria used...
for example,
other VJs had superior images, but were unable to mix them
to the rhythm of the music they chose,
so we had to regretfully let them go...

for more info, chech out the website, its all there...

[hookturn]

So what were your thoughts on the vj event held at Cinetrip VJ Anyone? :yep:

[deepvisual]

other VJs had superior images, but were unable to mix them
to the rhythm of the music they chose,
so we had to regretfully let them go...



this issue has come up before and its interesting to see that nowhere on the competition website does it say you have to mix to the beat.

I wont question your judgement of course Olli, I'm sure you know best about what you saw. But it does seem that in many competitions and without being told beforehand, VJs are expected to conform to a few particular styles and are usually dropped if they don't.

i know for a fact the light surgeons wouldn't get through on this mix to the beat basis..
which kinda makes the whole idea a bit shambolic

[SteveG]

My 2p's worth.....Like a musician or DJ you should be mixing to up beats down beats through break downs and off beats etc etc etc.....mixing to the beat only I think is a little amateurish personally ;)

[Rovastar]

this issue has come up before and its interesting to see that nowhere on the competition website does it say you have to mix to the beat.

I wont question your judgement of course Olli, I'm sure you know best about what you saw. But it does seem that in many competitions and without being told beforehand, VJs are expected to conform to a few particular styles and are usually dropped if they don't.

i know for a fact the light surgeons wouldn't get through on this mix to the beat basis..
which kinda makes the whole idea a bit shambolic

Surely visuals relevant to the music is one of the prerequisites to VJing? Not necessarily the beat but relevance. Just like a DJ has to be able to mix so does the VJ for the basis of a comp. If you think this is not important then why not just put on a generic DVD for a VJ set with no relationship to the music at all.

To be honest the amount of VJs/VJ comps won by people that don't mix well this one sounds like it makes a change with someone that can mix.

[Anyone]

i know for a fact the light surgeons wouldn't get through on this mix to the beat basis..

really? you underestimate TLS.
anyhoo, look again, I didn't say mix to the beat...

[lennyoplasma]

I think vjing should be something like a live cinema,where the sound and the visuals are performed live and they are connected through the theme,the feeling,the speed, etc.You express sound with the help of images.Of course this is very different in people,everyone has a different picture,flash of a sound or melody.It's a nice feeling when you can comunicate with people through visuals the feeling of the music,it's vjing.

[bbface]

lenny i cant understand you...

but thats the reason, why you dont was there on the 3rd day... (i think you was participant in the tussle category...)hmm

david
(one of the organisers)

[devonmiles]

stuff from N-IS, one of the winners, can be found here.

http://www.fairbeatnix.de/fairbeatnix.htm

concerning the use of politics/war/social awareness themed visuals personally I like the stuff from yuva motion printers more.

[bbface]

bytheway photos:
http://www.cinetrip.hu/cvj2006/pix.html
click on the camerapictos

and the two winners in conserve category:
http://ondemand.video.t-online.hu/origo/szorakozas/party/NI_BeloHorizonte.wmv
http://ondemand.video.t-online.hu/origo/szorakozas/party/Tipogodor_feat_Optimal_Tripfiss.wmv

(the firs one is NI-S not NI sorry)

[gnomatron]

I think lenny's making a fair stylistic point; vjing is a bit like scoring a film, but in reverse, i.e. the music is set and you match the video to it. Most film scores aren't beat-matched to the onscreen action, after all, but the music is related to it.

[lennyoplasma]

Of course you don't have to beat match everything and all the time,it's not about beat matching,it's about finding the connection between the audio information(music) -and the parts of wich this information is built- and the visual information(images),transforming the sound into images(visuals) troughout you'r personal skills, imagination,sense of music,feeling for music.

Cheers,
:nod: