Anyone making custom screens?? [Archive]

peri

13th May 2002, 08:25 PM

Hi!

yep we do some custom screens, but not like that one. We have started experimenting because we don't like the standard screens all the time. But i don't like the type that is on the picture. Don't get me wrong, i like it as decoration but not as a screen. I think it is not clear enough for the audience.

gr,

per-i

HuoLong

13th May 2002, 09:42 PM

i just read from focus(a german "news"magazine) about some people (huh, from the city/university where i come from) experimenting beaming on to smoke "walls"... well, the beam was not SO "readable/sharp" but the possibily to "walk" trough beams was awesome...

unjulation

14th May 2002, 08:15 AM

I discoverd something similer, I posted it in the forums last life and who said reincarnation was dead ;) quite by accudent due to an over zelos smoke guy at a gig on time when i found that the image from the projector "hung" to the smoke floating in mid air for a while, i've been trying to make it more stable 'cos the efect only lasted a few sweconds, and the fact that veiwing angel was very imprtant as to wether you can see the image, i think that comes from the "bilowing" efect of a smoke merchin rarther then haveing a flat screen of smoke. I realy liked the fact that the image hung in mid air above the crowed. it's an idea that defiantly needs looking into more.

MoRpH

14th May 2002, 12:07 PM

Personally I love doing clips that work with dots and lines of various colours, that way when they are shot through smoke you can emulate a lazer effect.... VERY cool :D

vjpixylight

14th May 2002, 03:55 PM

hey guys,
reading these posts gave me an idea..<<oh no not another idea they sigh..>>
well, what is you could trap the smoke from a smoke machine into
a transperent kind of wall or betwwen 2 panes of glass or plastic??
then project on that constantly changing virtual screen..

cloddy

27th May 2002, 12:37 AM

whilst working at a big music venue, i had the chance to see a full size water screen :D
imagine a thin controlled water flow falling into catch troughs and pumped back round, with a hideously bright back projector displayed on it, quite amazing, and very expensive, but hey, maybe one day.

Akira

27th May 2002, 04:06 AM

I live in Melbourne and at the moment we have something called the 'new wave festival'. According to one of my friends, there's been this VJ putting on a show for the festival where he uses lights to emulate a living being.

What happens is, the lights are reacts to certain amounts of movement within the room and so the more you move, the more the lights do all kinds of crazy shit.

Sounded kind of interesting to me but I didn't get a chance to go and see it.

rawbone

27th May 2002, 02:45 PM

I'm currently doing AV for a play which is using semi-transparent sharks tooth gauze wrapped around two sides of tall triangular structures on wheels with a mirror on the other side. Makes for some interesting effects with depth and reflections when they move around.

Reminds me a little of those holographic ghost projections at tokyo disneyland. I'm still not sure how they do that stuff but it looked very 3d and realistic. Anyone else seen this?

Roly
www.rawbone.tv

syzygy

27th August 2002, 07:56 PM

Thanks for the screen tip ***** - I posted a question about building screens in the hardware forum but didn't get any replies...

What do you use for the covering?

SyZyGy

syzygy

27th August 2002, 09:49 PM

two things about screens . shiny screens = brighter but narrow viewing angle. Matt finish duller image but wider viewing angle

So for projecting behind the DJs in a relatively narrow space then shiny is the way forward.

Great tips. :)

A carpet store shouldn't be too hard to hook up with (I live 10 mins from a major asian carpet area) but a ships chandlers might be a bit more difficult.... Not a lot of call for sails in Birmingham :)

Cheers,

SyZyGy

unjulation

27th August 2002, 10:02 PM

just be careful of helth and safty regs if your working within clubs useing plastic, you dont whant to get to gig only to find they wont let you put up your screens, if it's free party space you wont get the problem but just be aware, you dont whant berning plastic driping on your dj;)

Jorjo

28th August 2002, 01:01 AM

Yeah good point.
Thats why i reckomended the plastic from the carpet guys.. It tends to be heavily fire retardent to avoid Carpet storage houses buring to the ground.

Anyone

28th August 2002, 09:47 AM

vandeti

4th October 2002, 12:03 PM

just bought my first screen
I let it made by hand for just 120 euros
and its 6 meters X 3,2 meters big !!

it's made out of heavy plastic, like the ones they use on trucks and stuff like that

there are rings in at all the way around .. so I just need some cords or elastics to construct it

and when some "&????& spills beer on it .. just use the big water-hose on it and it's clean

XeroDark

4th October 2002, 12:22 PM

jdat

19th October 2002, 06:51 PM

I was thinking about using a pair of Trusses and 3 i beams to lay the base of where the screen material would hang from ...

what do you think ?
It would be cheap and you could make a HUGE screen for *nothing*

Now that's just the structure ..... I was looking into rosebrand for screen material .... how would you attach the screen to the structure?

velcro straps? tying?

would you do side attachements ?

and would you try to weigh down the bottom of the screen to keep it more stable ?

what would be the way to having it properly stretched and quickly setup?

One advantage from my idea is this would be expandable, more ibeam for bigger gigs, less for smaller ones .....

but really before talking structure, it's the screen material that intrigues me ( rear and front projection, ( twin white/cream ) )

what do you think ? ( all the 2 minutes that photoshop can buy )
http://img.ranchoweb.com/images/jdatoner/truss.gif

murph

19th October 2002, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by jdat
.... how would you attach the screen to the structure?

velcro straps? tying?

would you do side attachements ?

If you're looking to attach just the corners, to have it stretch for a cool effect, you can grab a couple inches of the corner material, wrap it around a washer so it's doubled up on itself around the washer, and secure it with a ziptie. One warning though, if you stretch it too tight it'll pull through the ziptie and get loose. (won't rip the fabric though!)

Atilla

20th October 2002, 12:05 PM

here's a screen I made using 90% white shade cloth with an aluminium tube frame.
It's 12ft X 9 ft, 3.6M X 2.7M and can be set as free standing. the pic was taken with the flash on, so it doesn't show so bright, but in reality the picture is plenty bright enough. The setup was during the experimental stages and it now operates using a 2.4GHZ sender unit and the puter signal goes to the projector through a VGA to AV splitter

obi1riley

24th October 2002, 06:33 PM

A still summer night this year I got away with the best and most economical screen ever. . . ..
I ent to the local DIY (Wilko) store and bought a plastic dust sheet, this I taped at each corner to reinforce then used various bungees to get an even pull to each corner of two perfectly positioned trees!
Shiney on one side and matt on the other!
Cheap, adaptable and you wont get into too much bother from H&Safety as the total mass of plastic involved is only around 100 gramms. (probaly go up like a fortune cookie anyway).
Staple to a frame for rigitity and hand or tie with cable ties.
Use multiple to cover a custom frame of any size or shape.

Wraith

9th October 2005, 11:48 PM

Along a simlar line you can use Foam Core. Its used in film and theatre it comes in 4X12 sheets for I belive about 30 (I think :) ) bucks a sheet but thats from a bulk order from like four years ago when I was gripping on movies. I remember it being fairly cheap though. It has a dull side and light side.

The best part is if you take a box cutter to it , it cuts like a dream. You could overlay a sencil and do whateva you wanted. Also once you cut the pieces break apart perfectly clean as long as you don't have any huge curves. For added protection you can get a role of white tape and run it down the edges which I really advise if you want to use it more than once as its just a foamed adhesive holding the the two sides togther.

Foam core should be avaible at film grip/electric/spark/stage supply house, signage suppliers or larger art suppliers.

-W

vjpixylight

10th October 2005, 12:19 AM

SleepyLampy

22nd October 2005, 01:06 AM

How about this then?

http://www.tsunamiscreen.com/fogscreen/ ;)

VGA

30th March 2006, 04:00 PM

USE

30th March 2006, 06:48 PM

i'm still looking at different screen stylee's:)

Now I'm into the hexagon shape, and the whole hexagonalism thing, and will never (on any of my own events) project on a rectangular screen again!

In saying that, I am going to use a 12x9 rear project, fastfold screen at my next event, but am going to make a few hexagon frames to hang about the back of the screen, (with rear projection) to breakup the rectangle enuf, so as from the front, peeps will see the hexagonal outlines.:D

did you use that at the visual vinyl gig at se1 in london? or did imagine that/talk to you about it?

i was thinking it would be phat to have a hexagonal screen, especially if you could get all the split-screen effects to be hexagon/pentagonal (geodesicopolis) i remeber seeing, but you may have just made me think and dream about it.

(in case you dont remember, i was there with catarax/matthecat n the dnb room and the night was really well setup, but very poorly attended. even had geo-potical bunf around the place and a drumming workshop at the other end of the main room from your screen. i emailed you trying to get your attention to no avail)

DrEskaton

30th March 2006, 09:10 PM

hexagonalism cluster funk screen styling rocks...

I have never had so much fun mixing as at the twisted records gig on the hex screens...

http://www.jahpesh.com/albums/Twisted-10th-Birthday/DSC_0048.sized.jpg

it's been posted before, but it can bear repeating.... :up:

USE

30th March 2006, 09:52 PM

it's been posted before, but it can bear repeating.... :up:

too fucking right it can, thats amazing!

who, how, where? (sorry im being lazy)

vjpixylight

30th March 2006, 10:32 PM

did you use that at the visual vinyl gig at se1 in london? or did imagine that/talk to you about it?

i was thinking it would be phat to have a hexagonal screen, especially if you could get all the split-screen effects to be hexagon/pentagonal (geodesicopolis) i remeber seeing, but you may have just made me think and dream about it.

(in case you dont remember, i was there with catarax/matthecat n the dnb room and the night was really well setup, but very poorly attended. even had geo-potical bunf around the place and a drumming workshop at the other end of the main room from your screen. i emailed you trying to get your attention to no avail)

Ah Yesss Mate!
good to know who "USE" is now you know:)
The visual vinyl nite didn't have any actual hexagon screens, just hexagon masked visuals.
And Yes, that screen setup at the synergy project is amazing..
along those lines, I am thinking of making up a couple of (the more popular psychedelic drugs)2D molecule shaped hexxy screen clusters for a festival in Wisconsin that I will be VJing at in May.(I'm finding that the MDMA molecule might be the easiest to make the hexxy work)

USE

30th March 2006, 10:43 PM

Ah Yesss Mate!
good to know who "USE" is now you know:)

cool,cool. the synergy project in general looks amazing, i was asked to come and have a fiddle on the vis by some girls who decorated and vjed for the project ozma room i think that was at synergy (flo and yaz from flouroworld in sheffeild, if that means anything to anyone), had a wedding to go to (yay) and havent made it up there since. d'oh! looks phat.

just to confuse you further, ive shaved all my hair off since we met. i like thinking like a hippy, not so keen on being pigeonholed as soon as i meet people..so, had to go. very weird going round speaking to exactly the same people in exactly the same way about jobs and being treated like a different person. all too tempting to point out to those people what shallow arses they are, but kind have would have defeated the object of trying to get a job. still, i gotta tell myself its only hair and im not a sellout cos of a haircut.

in case anyone was wondering, im in the middle of nowhere infrance for a detox month, hence the obscene ammount of posts. im not a total recluse normally ;)

DrEskaton

30th March 2006, 10:59 PM

too fucking right it can, thats amazing!

who, how, where? (sorry im being lazy)

Twisted Records 10th Birthday party March 3rd at SEOne....

Visuals by Inside-Us-All, Eskatonia, Pesh and others

more photos here...

http://www.jahpesh.com/view_album.php?set_albumName=Twisted-10th-Birthday

myself, Inside-Us-All, and Richie will also be mashing up the hex screens at the Infected Mushroom gig at Psychedelic Academy 03 April 1st (tomorrow night!)...

vjpixylight

31st March 2006, 12:56 AM

cool,cool. the synergy project in general looks amazing, i was asked to come and have a fiddle on the vis by some girls who decorated and vjed for the project ozma room i think that was at synergy (flo and yaz from flouroworld in sheffeild, if that means anything to anyone), had a wedding to go to (yay) and havent made it up there since. d'oh! looks phat.

just to confuse you further, ive shaved all my hair off since we met. i like thinking like a hippy, not so keen on being pigeonholed as soon as i meet people..so, had to go. very weird going round speaking to exactly the same people in exactly the same way about jobs and being treated like a different person. all too tempting to point out to those people what shallow arses they are, but kind have would have defeated the object of trying to get a job. still, i gotta tell myself its only hair and im not a sellout cos of a haircut.

in case anyone was wondering, im in the middle of nowhere infrance for a detox month, hence the obscene ammount of posts. im not a total recluse normally ;)

Yep I know flo and yaz! I was part of an ill fated trance tour back in 2003 with them.
And yes, I know how being pigionholed as a hippy goes..
It's funny that most people would see a hippy with long hair as a problem, and once the hippy loses the locks, those same peeps, would think that they aren't hippy anymore??
Oh well, I say live and let live..

Bildstrom

31st March 2006, 08:13 AM

Hi,

We have been using custom screens for a Party recently.
First we drawed some character-animations which would fit into the same outlines, then we made screens shaped like the characters and applied them to a net.... Each screen had its own projector and everythin out of the screen-area was masked. Finally we played the animations and colored them live by adding the (masked) video from a live camera to it (there were three of them)

some fotos in my flickr..

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gunnarlindner/84310878/in/set-1118101/

gunnar

Fulton

31st March 2006, 08:22 AM

I sew grommetts onto the edges of varying size and shapes of the material, sometimes sewing several pieces of spandex to make large screens. Then using black bungy cord, or some sort of black stretchy thing with a hook, attach the screens to anything that won't blow away. the spandex is fairly inexpensive , so i only lose the time it took to make when someone decides to put their handprint on it. It wraps around objects for another sweet effect. the sky's the limit...

MrJustin

31st March 2006, 12:33 PM

alternatively what do people think about the white backs of those giant plastic posters they make for advertising?

yess mate i've been looking at pinching myself a couple of those, (three equal sized ones to be precise, so i can project onto 3 vertical and slightly spaced bars). They're pretty heavy though, but they do come with brass ringlets inset into the material all around the outside and obviously hang pretty straight. perfect, i thought. :up:

I thought maybe they're a bit shiny to project onto but nothing a few coats of spray on matt varnish wont solve.

Sainsbury's usually have them and they're about the right size. i'll see if i can get some and let you know how well they work.

disclaimer: I in no way endorse stealing large obnoxious and intrusive advertising banners from vast national corporations. achem.

VGA

31st March 2006, 01:12 PM

Yeah yeah nice character screens! Glad I read to the end of the thread...
In the short term then I'm gonna start hitting the beers right now and head off later to sainsburies with a length of rope and my swedgin knife.
Then I'm gonna search out some spandex (spandex! I was searching lycra)on ebay, buy that shit and get my sewing trousers on. yeah! where can I buy a needle for one of them old black singers?

VGA

31st March 2006, 03:48 PM

I have found my ideal projection surface
http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/3b/07/9b_1_sbl.JPG

USE

31st March 2006, 04:49 PM

I have found my ideal projection surface
http://i18.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/3b/07/9b_1_sbl.JPG

what are you projecting onto that? your semen?

(sorry couldn't resist)

InsideUsAll

31st March 2006, 05:02 PM

when your making your own screens, don't forget fire proofing, I've just finished making 14 x 5ft hexagon screens for a gig at brixton academy tommorrow night, the fire proofing we used was called 'Flamebar - PE6' & its manufactured by Brodie & Middleton, 68 Drury Lane, London, WC2B 5SP.. 0207 8363289 :)

VGA

3rd April 2006, 02:42 PM

Hello,
OK I've got my material and I've got my toxic spray on goo.
What I need to do now is make a frame.
My screen is going to be roughly about 5meters wide and 1.75 meters tall and I want to hang it off the ceiling.
I'm thinking what I want is long lengths of extruded aluminium.
I'm thinking of several long lengths of cheap shelving rails but wondering what the best way of joining them together is.
Any suggestions for other frame materials/sources?
I was also looking at making some kind of tensioned screen using tent poles from dome tents.

robotfunk

3rd April 2006, 05:09 PM

pvc tubing is light and easily assembled

DrEskaton

3rd April 2006, 05:33 PM

atomicone

3rd April 2006, 08:28 PM

I was thinking the same thing pixylight was saying about the smoke inbetween to pieces of glass or plastic and wondered how well do you think that would show up. Becuase i have this old 300 lumens projector that im trying to find for use for someing and if you guys think that the wall of smoke would work alright even if i had a better projector i think i might just build it.

Peace I'm out

I've tried this idea before, as a test. The results were less than fantastic...
We used plastic pulled tight around a wood frame, with a tube at the bottom / top (we tried both) with multiple holes drilled to vent the smoke. The smoke flowed well into the screen, but left a greasy, drippy mess on the plastic, and the image looked horrible. We scrapped the idea, I think the only way to effectively do this is with something like the tsunami screen sleepylampy mentioned, (I've seen other versions of this too) trying to encase it just won't work. The only way I could see it if you found a fogger/hazer that didn't leave residue...

By the way, my favorite screen material, 3-way stretch semi-translucent lycra. You can create such interesting screens by stretching and layering that stuff, or by stretching it over frames of any type. Unfortunately its not that cheap...

robotfunk

3rd April 2006, 08:48 PM

but it bends very easily unless you get very thick tubing...

I've made a frame before out of pvc tubing and after a couple of gigs it was useless because the tensioning on the screen warped the pipe permanently.

the thin yellow stuff is no good but the thicker white stuff feels sturdy enough (haven't built one from it tho) if you use glue ... which did you use?

WordVirus23

4th April 2006, 01:11 AM

PCProject

4th April 2006, 04:49 PM

too fucking right it can, thats amazing!

who, how, where? (sorry im being lazy)

twisted records 10th anniversary party @ seONE london 04.03.06 - i had the pleasure of projecting on the large hexagon for the most of the night alongside of pesh

DrEskaton

4th April 2006, 05:02 PM

woops, sorry for leaving you out dave... I had so much fun that night things were a little vague... it was the stella... really... swear on it....

Syntax

8th May 2006, 05:29 PM

I've just completed the frames for my new hex screens. I've been highly inspired by the whole hexagonalism thing. Thanks Killing Frenzy and Pixy! I cant wait to finish them. Just need some painting, attatch the projection screen and hook em all up and I'm set to go!

sorry for the low-quality pic, its from my cell phone camera:

http://stimul8productions.net/pix/hex_screens.jpg

:biggrin:

VGA

8th May 2006, 09:25 PM

vjpixylight

8th May 2006, 09:55 PM

those frames are lookin nice eric! bet you can't wait to give them a go!

@VGA-
my first lycra/spandex screen I made was 8ftx24ft and did me well. I had it grommeted every foot to get it nice and tight. but I have to admit, the main problem I had with it was UV lighting making it light up blueish when projections were on it. but yea, it is some good stuff to wrap around just about anything:up:

USE

9th May 2006, 12:25 PM

I recently bought two massive 5x2meter pieces of white lycra.
This stuff is fantastic.
You can stretch it around anything like a membrane. These pieces easily stretch to 7m x 3m.
It is nice and bright to front project on and only loses a little brightness and clarity with rear projection.
It fits nicely in your washing machine.
I was simply nailing or roping it up but I'm going to fit dozens of tiny metal hole things and make some frames for times when I want squareness.
Great stuff, I want more!

they looked mint in the volks the other night, the punters were clearly impressed. it really changed the whole aspect of the club. almost looked semi-respectable!

gpvillamil

10th May 2006, 01:52 AM

I use schedule 40 PVC (thick white stuff) for some of my screens... and yes, it bows quite badly if there are any joints in it (largest section I found was 10'... which had waaay to much flex to make a rear projection screen... however, my 5'x4' frames are still quite functional for both front and rear beaming... they are pretty light weight and can be hung from rafters or whatever... as well as standing upright on pvc legs :)

peace
..james...

Ah! I did the same thing, made some quite big screens using PVC pipe. What helped a lot with the bending was to get several lengths of wooden or plastic dowel that exactly fit inside the joints, and put them inside. I used some rubber retaining rings so that they would not slip.

platinum

16th May 2006, 11:15 PM

There are a lot of awesome ideas on here! Here's what I use for now:

My two big screens are 10x12 white tarps mounted on 2" ABS plastic frames.

My slightly smaller ones are two king-size flat sheets hung on 1x2 wood pieces. These ones work well for rear-projection.

I'm going to make lycra screens next. I've been hoping to get something stretchy.

pics:
[ABS screens]
http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/ABS-Screens.jpg

[ABS Screens with the lights one before a show]
http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/ABS-Screens2.jpg

[Sheet Screen and ABS Screen]
http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/Sheet-ABS.jpg

[Sheet Screen and TV Boxes]
http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/Sheet-TeeVees.jpg

-Jonathan

MrJustin

25th May 2006, 06:40 PM

Here's the product of my afternoon's labours..

Three 1 x 2.4m screens, allowing a slight gap between them so there's 3 strips of vertical projection surface.

Costs.. about ?2 worth of gaffer, and 50p of brass ringlets. :up:
(Screen surface was originally an absurdly long supermarket banner. ;))

There's ringlets at the bottom corners to tie/peg them down, and also at the top to string them up, but it's also folded over so i can feed a broom handle through horizontally to keep them straight.

http://fivefoundfreedom.com/justin/triscreens_01.jpg

http://fivefoundfreedom.com/justin/triscreens_02.jpg

I cant wait to test them out on friday night, particularly looking forward to using that freeframe effect which cuts the layer into 3 vertical strips... perfect! :D

VGA

26th May 2006, 10:11 AM

the screens look great my only concern is the use of gaffer tape.
supermarket eh keep it under your hat ;-)
btw here is a photo of one of my stretch lycra screens at a gig with DJ SS last month.
http://www.cut-loose.org/images/ss_pp_24-916_500x384.jpg

Some of you might recogise the image in the photo (thanks Analogue Recycling!).Another of the photos caught me playing a clip from another night....
Damn I am going to have to start doing the decor as well as the vjing and the lighting. I have to have TOTAL CONTROL!

28th May 2006, 06:17 PM

vjpixylight

1st June 2006, 12:02 AM

I have no idea how you guys project on oddly shaped screens like several hexagons or others. Looks very impressive!
Do you set up your software (or hardware mixer?) in a way that it masks your clips in the shape(s) of your screen? Are there (freeframe?) effects that can do this? Or do you actually mod your projectors with a mask or something? Or do you have to mask your clips in editing software rather than in the VJ equipment?

I'm very curious to find out how this works on the projection side!

Thanks!
Philip

There are now several VJ softs that do the hexagon masking.
Dave from Inside Us All (http://81.3.74.135/inside/2005website/pluginscsoon.htm) has developed some FreeFrame plugins that let you configure hexagons however you want.

There are also a couple of free applications that will do hexagon clusters, those being Killing Frenzy's "hex patch", (http://www.killingfrenzy.com/Jitter/KillingFrenzyHexPatch.zip)and Dr Eskaton's "Quartonian" (http://www.quartonian.net/)if you are on a Mac.

1st June 2006, 04:38 PM

Thanks for the information! The Inside Us All plugins for this look very interesting!

Thanks,
Philip

MrJustin

2nd June 2006, 12:22 AM

the screens look great my only concern is the use of gaffer tape.

Yeah it's not ideal but they look a hell of a lot better for it, and it is a very cheap option for tidying the edges up.
VGA: is your concern because of it unsticking or reflecting light? There's also some great matted gaffer's tape i've come across on film jobs before which might work better but it's very expensive to buy just to see if it's ok.

i've learned a lot from making them, and for ?2.50 i reckon i can save up enough pocket money to have a shot at making some better ones in a couple of weeks!!

i'd recommend making your own screens to anyone, it's so satisfying and you can make them any size/shape/number you want. Anything to get as far away from standard 4:3 as possible!

The hex ones look incredible and i'd love to have made some but i think i see a bandwagon full of people heading off into the distance.../.

lego_man

3rd June 2006, 01:38 PM

I used sereval time moskito net

like on this video
http://www.legoman.net/medias/15oct05-idm_night.mov

vjpixylight

4th June 2006, 12:29 AM

Wikid lego_man!
I like the dimensionality of your setup. Seems fitting for a lego_man!
I have been thinking of doing some supra-wide screen setups similar to what your doing using my new triple-head to go vid card, and you have just inspired me to get up off mi arse and do it!

cheers

Syntax

4th June 2006, 03:17 PM

Here is a kind of photo journal of the hexagon screens I built:

http://stimul8productions.net/pix/hex_screens.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a194/vj_syntax/Acid%20Reign/0920982-R1-052-24A.jpg
http://stimul8productions.net/pix/ar8/23.jpg

vjpixylight

5th June 2006, 01:49 AM

lookin good mate! keep up the rightous work!!:)

StrictlyandLowdown

6th September 2006, 03:51 AM

don't know if you can see this clearly enough but three years ago I made a circle screen, made up of tiny circles. I hung them at differing distances so there was a kind of 3D effect when projecting. I don't have any photos with the projection unfortunately, I never seem to document anything:sigh:

it's a bit light but hopefully you can see it and my screen calibration isn't off.
made with different sized circle hoops bought from hardware, and then stretching and stiching lycra fabric over the hoops.
rigged with fishing line (so the lines were invisible)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v130/strictly/circlescreen.jpg

oxygen

6th September 2006, 10:57 AM

it's a bit light but hopefully you can see it and my screen calibration isn't off.
made with different sized circle hoops bought from hardware, and then stretching and stiching lycra fabric over the hoops.
rigged with fishing line (so the lines were invisible)

very niiice! i like it.
especially since its so quite invisible.

btw me also making custom screens. I got meself a sponsor... since the venue cant put screens up in the air, i decided to shop arround for white plexiglass. [hopefully it arrives this week...waiting for phonecall]
It'll be a live (AV) performance, followed by a 1 month video-installation.
still have to make the standards for it . (Not me;-).
(maybe its an idea to paint these white, i am now thinkin')

WordVirus23

8th September 2006, 12:03 AM

N:VP's latest... (still) using schedule40 PVC, and the 145 degree elbows makes a nice octogon. next will be triangles (3 VJs each into a router, then onto the screens, 3 beamers) and we also use circles... which are simply hoola-hoops with my screen material stretched over them... the circles look VERY nice when flanking the stage with bands.

this was from an outdoor party we hold every year in the sierra nevada mountians/wilderness

http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/WordVirus23/NoInput%20Visual%20Product/MtnMix06OCTOScreen2.jpg

fata alex

8th September 2006, 10:01 AM

How well does the lycra reflect light strictlyandlowdown?
would they work for rear projection or only for front?
i really like the circles idea

USE

14th September 2006, 05:12 PM

I recently bought two massive 5x2meter pieces of white lycra.
This stuff is fantastic.
You can stretch it around anything like a membrane. These pieces easily stretch to 7m x 3m.
It is nice and bright to front project on and only loses a little brightness and clarity with rear projection.
It fits nicely in your washing machine.
I was simply nailing or roping it up but I'm going to fit dozens of tiny metal hole things and make some frames for times when I want squareness.
Great stuff, I want more!

that was a top plan, spank, i got 1.5 x 2m lycra and put eyelets in the corners. just need top and bottom braces and im away! did you put eyelets in yourself? i did and screwed one of them right up. need a bigger eyelet for trhe hole now. another ?7.50. yays.

platinum

15th September 2006, 12:16 AM

Here's a question: Where do I get Lycra? I use white tarps in my 10'x12 frames, for now, but I have no idea where to get big enough pieces of Lycra for screens. The idea is to get the widest possible sections so I can make stretch screens for larger venues/outdoor shows.

Any help? Heck, I'd even order from the UK if it doesn't cost as much as my projectors.

-Jonathan

USE

15th September 2006, 02:05 AM

vga got his on ebay, i got mine in a fabric shop. his was bigger than mine but if you ask in a fabric shop theyll order bigger bits for younormally 2m wde strips as standard. the only thing is you have to deal teh fabric shop women. theyre mental.

WordVirus23

15th September 2006, 02:34 AM

the fabric I use is meant for nightgowns (I'm sure the fabric store women must wonder what the heck I do w/ this much of the material) but it comes in sections (called "bolts" in fabric terms) of 108" (9' or 3m) in as long of sections as you want... so a 12'x9' worth of screen costs me about 30 USD after tax.

stay tuned for pics of my triangles... they are looking FANTASTIC... 1st show w/ them on saturday, 3 triangles, 3 projectors, 3 VJ's :)

peace
..james...

WordVirus23

18th September 2006, 10:24 AM

Triangles worked out great!
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/WordVirus23/NoInput%20Visual%20Product/IMGA0458.jpg
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a373/WordVirus23/NoInput%20Visual%20Product/IMGA0459.jpg

both of these pics were taken on the 2nd night, and I forgot to adjust the spacing between the 3 screens... my bad, shoulda taken more pics the first night when everything looked tits. anyhow...

Cost breaks down like this: (all prices are in USD)
28 - Screen Material
30 - PVC Pipe
6 - Rope
3 - Wiffle Balls
10 - Blinky Lights (to put in the wiffle balls)
---------------
$77 USD for four screens... just under 20 bux a pop. :Smoking:

deepvisual

18th September 2006, 10:28 AM

Don't stop there, put 'em on mirrorball motors...

http://www.mcdougall.co.uk/materials.htm

...for your flameproof stage materials.

VGA

18th September 2006, 11:55 AM

Circles, triangles, hexagons, cubes, spheres, smoke, water :-D all lookin' good, anyone managed to project onto a 4d surface yet?

I got my lycra off ebay, the trader has now closed their account :o(
I tried to put eyelets in and made big holes and the eyelets fell out :o(
apparently its all about hemming it first with a stronger material :o(
I own a singer sewing machine which I found in the street, not really up to the job :o(
I reckon sewing two sheets together to make a giant screen would be fine, maybe you get a little line like on an old flatscreen monitor.
I am going to get one hemmed by a friend who makes clothes as my fingers usually end up bleeding whenever I go near a needle, let alone a sewing machine.

for what its worth I also wash my screens in daz at 50degrees, nice and clean and the lycra stays nice and stretchy.:up:

sleepytom

18th September 2006, 12:26 PM

ahhnooo not DAZ

Daz, like most domestic wahing powder is designed to make whites super white, whiter than white etc etc

to do this they include a substance (it used to be marketed as "blue") which is very UV reflective - this creates a very white looking white under normal lighting conditions. Unfortunately many venues have UV lighting in them which will make any fabric washed in normal washing powder glow. A glowing screen is the last thing you want. In an ideal world your screen needs to reflect only the light from your video projector and it certainly doesn't want to be coated with a substance to reflect light that your video projector cannot output.

the answer is to wash your screens only with pure soap washing powders which do not contain the UV active substance.

and please remember to flame proof any fabric that you take into clubs - fires have killed thousands of people in nightclubs over the years and are the biggest risk of death when going out (yes bigger than drugs).

deepvisual

18th September 2006, 02:12 PM

Circles, triangles, hexagons, cubes, spheres, smoke, water :-D all lookin' good, anyone managed to project onto a 4d surface yet?

yeah, I;d say a fountain qualifies as a 4D surface as it changes shape constantly with respect to time...

http://www.deepvisual.com/tizer.jpg

VGA

18th September 2006, 11:48 PM

ah fuck well I may have a UV reflective screen but at least there ain't skidmarks in my pants. goddam this vj thing, I have to select special soap powders and learn how to sew. What next? I bet this kind of shizzle ain't in any VJ book.
yeah the water screen (v.nice super crispy photo btw) is 4d. Maybe thats the solution to fireproofing, rather than killing my lungs inhaling gallons of stinking flamecheck. I can't see the sound people being too enthusiastic when I turn up with a portable pond and fountain system though...unless I project onto a fountain of non-conductive goo, like chip fat.
Anyone projecting onto fountains of chip fat?
I think I've got myself a world's first here. Plus you could use the old chip fat to power a diesel van. And cook chips.

dvjprotohippy

13th October 2006, 12:17 AM

just rembered, there was a collective a couple years back
called "ecran human" (human screen) from Montreal.

they were wearing all types of different shaped reflective gear
on the stage, and projected onto them while moving about...

see if I can dig up some docs about them, keep you posted...

heard of anything like that on your side ?

NE1

We did something similar with a bunch of dancers all dressed in White from head to toe, and projected on them. Didn't work out as well as we wanted due to lack of time to prepare. But it was still a neat thing to do, I'll bet if they had mirrors, or something other than a flat white cloth, it may have done a little better as well.......

dvjprotohippy

13th October 2006, 12:22 AM

anymore screen material ideas?
I'm thinking lots of stretchy lycra I can wrap around a frame.
is shiny white lycra a good idea?
I've just discovered ebays fabrics selection!
what a selection of materials!
I'm gonna fire up my singer sewing machine and make me some screens.
alternatively what do people think about the white backs of those giant plastic posters they make for advertising?

We have 2 5X6 screens made with white Lycra and PVC pipes (http://www.myspace.com/dvjprotohippy just click on the pics and you can see our screens there) I think that it works great, and is semi transparent, so it can be see from both sides!!

vanakaru

13th October 2006, 07:07 PM

This is tonights setup for a small cafee disco night. Two projectors and many plasmas(LCD?) and custom screens of different stretch fabrics. One is almost transparent, but illuminates on video beam close to 100%. Gives nice dobble effect. Picture is taken during setup, so there is a lot of daylight.

vjpixylight

14th October 2006, 12:22 AM

looks pretty dope vanakaru!:)

vjpixylight

14th November 2006, 08:05 PM

has anyone seen or used the coolux iLLusion film (http://www.coolux.de/root/en/product_ILLUSION_FILM/ILLUSION_FILM_overview_en.htm) screens?
seems like these can be made into some very custom screens that would work nicely for transparency in mounting in the front stages..

vanakaru

15th November 2006, 10:03 PM

Here is our 3D screen setup at the Plektrum Festival.

ristuuk

16th November 2006, 11:16 AM

alternatively what do people think about the white backs of those giant plastic posters they make for advertising?

find your local company...they have roll ends...usually in 3-5m widths and varying up to 5m length...they are not long enough for the printers so get skipped.

depending on the company you can get matt vinyl, shiny vinyl , mesh , canvas, flag materials etc
cheap free resource and best of all not printed on one side!

ristuuk

16th November 2006, 11:19 AM

oh! and fireproofed !

vanakaru

16th November 2006, 04:51 PM

I posted a picture on
http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?t=18402&highlight=plektrum
of image projected on the backside of huge ad PVC.

videoswitchboard

24th November 2006, 12:16 PM

Pointless spinning cubes.

:D
dav

vjpixylight

24th November 2006, 01:17 PM

thats nice mate! looks like the SEOne you had tose rascals spinning in eh?

dubsta907

11th December 2006, 10:16 PM

These photos are great, many thanks.
Those cubes are awesome. It's kinda hard to tell from the photo how big they are. They remind me of these outdoor tent/shelters I've seen that are meant to be used at picnics, sports events, etc. to keep the bugs off of you.
As for using the different geometric shapes -- it looks like there are lots of screens but you said only two projectors? So you're just beaming the image from one projector through a series of these shaped screens? Doesn't that allow a lot of light to bleed out, or is it not that noticeable?

USE

11th December 2006, 10:35 PM

PCProject

12th December 2006, 12:15 AM

thats nice mate! looks like the SEOne you had tose rascals spinning in eh?

i *think* it may be the tunnel club in glasgow

videoswitchboard

12th December 2006, 01:11 AM

The Tunnel?
-no way!... no decent night has ever taken place there this side of 1995.

this picture was taken early on at The Arche's very own Death Disco's (http://www.thearches.co.uk/ddgalleryNOV06.htm) 4th Birthday last month.
This is room 3, the whole place swelled up to over 2500 on that night (way too much if you ask me).

This is the "Record Player" room (electro-disco-hi_nrg-trash) which was headlined by the Scissor Sisters tour DJ Sammy JO.

trouble!

:pirate:
dav

vjpixylight

12th December 2006, 06:39 AM

sure looks like the back part of SeOne, but then there are alot of those tunnel types places over there;)

oxygen

12th December 2006, 11:55 AM

Here's a set-up I've recently put up.
On the pic. it only shows 2 projections, but it's constructed with 3 projectors and 15 screens.
Its form is based on a previous installation about
dance & motion.(2001)

This project was all about ancient and modern urban architecture.
Presented as Live AV-performance during the opening, and as an installation during an expo for one month in NL.
Images were mainly constructed by animated photographs and flash-graphics,
with some great help from Irena-girlbot-bleep.

http://www.schattenvanbrabant.nl/images/upload/schattenm6126sitegr.jpg

ps. The Pointless spinning cubes look awesome!:lick:

videoswitchboard

12th December 2006, 01:53 PM

what about projecting spinning cubes on spinning cube screens (http://davabernard.f2s.com/bringthenoise/cubes.html)

part of the bring the noise (http://www.pointlesscreations.co.uk/bringthenoise) event already posted last month (sorry)

hey olga- need to think of a flashy name for your screens.. what about: i(onic)-frames (http://z.about.com/d/atheism/1/0/3/Q/GreekColumnComparison-l.jpg)?

:lol2:
dav

vjpixylight

12th December 2006, 05:06 PM

Here's a set-up I've recently put up.
On the pic. it only shows 2 projections, but it's constructed with 3 projectors and 15 screens.
Its form is based on a previous installation about
dance & motion.(2001)

This project was all about ancient and modern urban architecture.
Presented as Live AV-performance during the opening, and as an installation during an expo for one month in NL.
Images were mainly constructed by animated photographs and flash-graphics,
with some great help from Irena-girlbot-bleep.

ps. The Pointless spinning cubes look awesome!:lick:

Olga, your pic gave me an idea about moving the screens(like curtains) and motion tracking the video that is on them. Have you tried this?

oxygen

12th December 2006, 09:03 PM

hi pixy,
no, i havent tried moving the screens like curtains.
I think, it would be really though plan, since you need some robotic-sensory technics to move the projecors as well, which isnt exactly my speciality.
I did think of projecting on curtains, the ones often used in offices (same kinda style but smaller size.)

Movement in the set up here is created with so called 'jumpers' from one screen to the other. The eye gets constantly distracted to different points on the surface-screen.
this works really well, because of the physical depth in between the screen set-up.

(notice how scared the audiance is.. keeping such a distance from the set-up, afraid to get closer;-)

vjpixylight

12th December 2006, 09:12 PM

I was thinking of motion tracking with 1-2 projectors using the moving screens as the objects for an izzy actor like Eyes++. In this way you could have dancers moving in and out of the screens, and project the result above the moving screens..Just a thought tho, maybe it would be easier to acomplish in software:)

sleepytom

12th December 2006, 11:43 PM

use a motion mask in issy and rs232 to control the screen motors / movement - no need for any camera tracking...

vjpixylight

13th December 2006, 08:01 AM

well that is basically what Eyes++ does with the motion masking, but an interesting thought about using rs232 to regulate screen movement. What kind of motors/pully's would be able to incorperate rs232?

hookturn

14th December 2006, 07:00 PM

24 poly beams here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/durtymac/sets/72157594420337524/show/)

vjpixylight

15th December 2006, 01:22 AM

24 poly beams here (http://www.flickr.com/photos/durtymac/sets/72157594420337524/show/)

Feckin A mate! damn sure looks quite spectacular! keep up the good work:up:

vanakaru

19th December 2006, 10:52 PM

hookturn!
great photos, good work!
here is our installation for RinneRadio in Kuresaare.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWowB7iKk2Y

Brinkman

20th December 2006, 02:28 AM

the poly beams were genius - mind if I copy the idea for an installation? :-)

hookturn

20th December 2006, 02:31 AM

the poly beams were genius - mind if I copy the idea for an installation? :-)

You go ahead, but only if you bring another element to it ;-)

ie progress the idea :Smoking:

MrJustin

7th June 2007, 05:54 PM

My latest creations (with a little help from my talented and lovely seamstress).....

http://www.meno.tv/circlescreen_01.jpg
http://www.meno.tv/circlescreen_02.jpg
http://www.meno.tv/circlescreen_03.jpg
http://www.meno.tv/circlescreen_04.jpg

There'll be a second one finished shortly.

The piping unfortunately wasnt strong enough to sustain the tension in the lycra at the size i originally made them, so they're only about 1.5m diameter now, but at least they're not bowing like some kind of demented giant white pringle now. If anyone has any ideas on how to strengthen this structure without compromising neatness, i'd love to hear from you. i suspect it may simply need me to find stronger tubing which will still bend to a circle.

They priced in about ?60 the pair, all materials included.

Cant wait to get them rigged tomorrow... i'll have some photos of them up and in action next week...

VGA

7th June 2007, 07:12 PM

USE

9th June 2007, 12:29 PM

If anyone has any ideas on how to strengthen this structure without compromising neatness, i'd love to hear from you. i suspect it may simply need me to find stronger tubing which will still bend to a circle.

if you can find some thin plastic tubing form a bnq or whatever (some kind of water or gas piping?) and file the ends so they sit in the hoop (see pic), should be able to strengthen it like that.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g39/usemal/egg.jpg

dvjprotohippy

9th June 2007, 05:14 PM

That would be my suggestion as well. When we were doing lycra screens, we did it with 2 differing sizes of pvc piping. The thicker one was the outside, and made the actual diameter. Inside the thicker pvc, we put a thinner pvc, just to help keep tension, and stop it from bowing. For square screens, we used dowels inside the pvc to help it stop from bending. Hope that helps!!

spongemonkey

21st June 2007, 08:38 AM

On the whole lycra tip, has anyone here sewn two pieces of lycra together in order to make a larger screen?
I can sew just fine, but I am curious if there are any methods for sewing so you can keep some stretch.
I know how to sew a basic stretch stitch, but I don't think that will give enough or be strong enough.

many2

21st June 2007, 04:36 PM

It is possible to sew lycra to make larger screens. I just finished designing visuals for a horse circus show and we are using a complex arrangement of lycra shapes, with the larger one made of 3 strips of material. It works really well. I cannot tell you how to sew it though - I make what's on the screen, not the screen itself !

I do not think it will be of much help but here is the link to the company who designed the screen I've been using :

http://www.extension.ca/homepage.htm

gleam

6th July 2007, 09:17 PM

hey,
been dying to share this one:
I've been looking at diff. custom screen short-cuts, and I think I've finally found it!

Summer is here, and what does my local hardware store break out? Huge 3*3 or 5*5 meter parasols, basically sheets of white polyester with ringlets, to suspend across patios etc. They come in squares and triangles, the most expensive ones costing around 40 euros.

MrJustin

9th July 2007, 09:49 PM

is that a hula hoop?
where are you buying your lycra? my source has run out.
I'm making some new lycra screens in 16:9 ratio
I intend to use those aluminium shelving strips - strong and light, and will simply use a great many safety pins to fix them onto the lycra.
oops forgot to say, from the front, very nice.

I've been getting my Lycra down the road from the material places on brick lane in e.london, bout ?7.50 a meter though... there's usually sellers on ebay doing it cheaper. i'm always lookig out for it in 2m lengths though... give me a shout if you find that.

The hoops are made from electrical cable shielding... it comes in massive rolls... i found mine at a hardware store and paid about ?1.40/meter for it... keep an eye out for it on building sites though... i saw masses just abandoned by an old building site recently.
I just joined each end with a piece of dowel.

Here they are in action.... (http://www.vimeo.com/235588)

@Gleam... does your hardware store have a website? that sounds very interesting, and good value, too.

@USE yeah i thought something like that at first, too... trouble is, if there's any light behind the screen, its possible you can see the shadow of the struts behind the fabric.

PS... I'd really appreciate some idea of what you guys think i ought to be charging for a screen setup (all inclusive) like the one above... all equipment included and all setup done + Vjing 11-6.

vjpixylight

9th July 2007, 09:53 PM

Justin-
I would charge double what you would for Just VJing that time slot..

MrJustin

10th July 2007, 11:20 AM

Justin-
I would charge double what you would for Just VJing that time slot..

Mmm... that would barely cover the hire of the extra equiopment needed.
PM Sent.

gleam

10th July 2007, 09:12 PM

@Gleam... does your hardware store have a website? that sounds very interesting, and good value, too.Sorry mate, it's that oldskool kind of shop, yeah.

The best I can do for you right now is;
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=sun+sail
Which doesn't yield much of anything.

http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=awning
which is of course better for "regular" shaped stuff.

BUT then I found this, which looks spot on:
http://search.ebay.co.uk/search/search.dll?from=R40&_trksid=m37&satitle=tarpaulin+white

- obviously you won't be able to rear-project on those, but cheap, and they all have ringlets/grommets on there.

so has anyone tried with tarp yet, esp. high quality tarp? How about fabric tarp? weighs a ton, but should stand up to road-use pretty well, I reckon...

And scaffolding sheets -they must be good for rear projection stuff, I reckon:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CLEAR-SCAFFOLD-SHEETING-2M-X-45M-TARPAULIN-TARP_W0QQitemZ260135643756QQihZ016QQcategoryZ55806 QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

popcorn

12th July 2007, 11:11 AM

What are regular tarps like for projecting onto - anyone used them? Theyre so cheap (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/TARPAULIN-WHITE-3-5Mx4-5M-COVER-GROUNDSHEET-Tarp-7-99_W0QQitemZ290138240544QQihZ019QQcategoryZ3203QQr dZ1QQcmdZViewItem) but are they too shiny and does the weave affect the quality of the image? All ive tried so far is a white bedsheet, and that was less than impressive!

evomedia

12th July 2007, 11:17 AM

I use backlit banergrade PVC, comes in 3 or 5m wide by 30m long rolls to screenprinters or banner companies, but generally only costs between ?2 and ?5 a meter, but they generally have bucket loads of it as offcuts which you can generally get very cheap, and as used for rear lit posters for bus shelters etc, it has excellent passthrough but is quiet thick physically so works perfectly for front or rear projection. And has no hotspots so makes viewing angles great and just creates nice flat bright image.

The screenprinter I use actually gave me loads of the stuff for free to trial after a chat, but I payed them something just for good faith, they will put in caterstrips or eyelets for me at whatever distance I require at a small charge but you could get an eyelet inserter, and as its a screenprinters I can get custom graphics or a watermark printed onto them.

Exclusive surface treatment for maximised brilliance & uniform light transmission
Consistent material and image quality
Stretch-free for long-term mechanical resistance
Matt finish for luminescent graphics
Resistance to scratches, punctures, wrinkles, folds
Weather resistant - UV, rain, frost
Specially prepared for seaming
Repels pollution and washes clean in water
Flame retardant

The last on that list is pretty important for consistant use in clubs its Flame resistant to DIN 4102 B1, M2 so speced for use in public buildings.

evomedia

12th July 2007, 11:56 AM

Essentially look at the backlit section here, although they aren't the only manufacturer of Backlit PVC.
http://www.vuflex.com

But unless your looking to buy it in 30m lengths I suggest you call the screenprinters like these and you might get lucky for some free material.
http://www.bovince.com
http://www.flexdisplay.co.uk/other-displays/pvc-banners.htm

But they'll defintely charge you for either putting in eyelets or a looped seam for tension rod strengthening.

Out of interest its the same stuff they do building size posters in, so you can use for very large scale screens as its designed to be joined.

http://www.vuflex.com/Resources/backlitprem.jpg

telekinetix

28th October 2007, 10:57 AM

Larky

28th October 2007, 11:07 AM

Yeah, are these any good? I need to build some new screens and material costs are killing me.

platinum

28th October 2007, 05:37 PM

I mainly used white tarps stretched over ABS-tube frames for about a year. I even ended up using one behind Paul Oakenfold in July '06. They work pretty well overall, but the more I saw Da-Lite screens, the more I felt I needed to try something else. The main things I don't like about them is the tarp texture. When the image is bright, it's very obvious what they are.

Stretched tight, I think they make a great starter screen. (I used zip-ties at the four corners, then around the edges, tightening them like lug-nuts etc) I originally got the idea from Murk. He was using 3/4" PVC if I recall correctly. I decided 2" ABS would look cooler.

I now use Nylon building-cover tarp as my cheap screens. They work really well for outdoor venues since I don't have to worry too much about them as far as cost of replacement. The tarp outfit here in Portland was nice enough to sell them to me at their standard rate which ends up being pretty cheap considering they usually cover buildings with the things.

I've included a couple of pics of my old ABS/Tarp setup.

-Jonathan

http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/ABS-Screens.jpg
http://www.platinumgraphics.biz/ABS-Screens2.jpg

telekinetix

1st November 2007, 08:34 PM

Thanks for the reply platinum. However I just set up a tarp screen as a test in my front room and comparing it with a material screen it seems to reflect a lot more light and the picture quality is much worse.

That being said, I may still use it in my setup this saturday as I need/want 2 screens and only have one in material but 2 tarps! Also the screens are to be 15-20feet up so the lack of quality may not make as much difference.

I plan to buy 4-way stretch lycra from eBay and stitch 2 lengths together as it only comes in150cm widths.

platinum

1st November 2007, 10:14 PM

Yeah, that's why I stopped using them. It bugged me being able to see the tarp texture very clearly in the brighter colors and white.

elvisjer

25th November 2007, 06:15 AM

I love some of the ideas here. What kind of "poly" were those hanging things made out of? It's a gorgeous visual! I would love to try it myself! I also love the legoman mosquito net thing....do you guys know how he cropped the projections so that the words stay on each individual sheet rather then bleeding from one to another?

telekinetix

25th November 2007, 10:11 AM

I bought 2 sizes of lycra at 150cm (biggest they do) X 230cm which I'm told should stretch to about 170cm x 250cm.

I also got enough tough fabric strips to be sewn around the edges which I can then put eyelets in (I think they would tear out of the lycra without something like this.

I'm thinking of sewing the 2 sizes together to give a 3m x 4 1/2m screen size.

It was just over 40 pounds from my local fabric shop for the lycra, fabric strips and eylet inserter with 40 eyelets which isn't bad for 2 170cm x 250cm screens or 1 3m x 4 1/2m screen. Before I've been using Focus Do It All dust sheets that always end up ripped to shit at the end of the night making them "Oe use only" which at 8 pounds a time seems a bit of a waste.:crazyeyes

Does anyone who's used this fabric before have any stretching/sewing tips. My main concern is that due to the nature of the fabric the edges tend to 'roll' up on itself quite a bit so I imagine sewing to be a nightmare.

Is it best to stretch using various cords (zip-ties or thin cable) of some sort to secure it to scaffold rigging and/or walls. Or best to build a tube frame like some people have tried on here? :cheers:

elvisjer

27th November 2007, 04:54 PM

Sorry to re-peat my message....i just really want to know how Legoman did the thing of hanging all thos mosquito nets up, but then got one line of text on each without them spilling onto eachother! Any ideas?

sleepytom

27th November 2007, 05:22 PM

he's clever ;)

use a software which lets you control the size and position of video files within your playback composition (i use VJamm pro for this)

also make sure you edit the best looking bits when you put stuff on the web - then everyone will think your clever even if not all of your content works as well on your odd shaped screens.

telekinetix

27th November 2007, 06:08 PM

tom you must have had some experience with lycra - you take me as tight fitting spandex kind of guy thru and thru :up:

elvisjer

27th November 2007, 08:55 PM

So do you set it all up and then adjust video accordingly? Or are they set up in a logical fashion in thier spacings and placement? I guess i would probably need a second computer for that setup....hmm...

Larky

27th November 2007, 09:01 PM

Not really. If you use software which lets you alter a layer position, size, aspect etc, you can quickly make video fit any shape screen. You can also use masks.

We (myself and Dan, my co-VJ) are currently building a large array of screens using smaller parts. Imagine 25 16:9 sections with gaps in between them. We can use the entire thing, or pick out parts, and even set off particle emitters to react with the music and the extents of one of more screens. It's not hard, we use Maya, Quartz and VDMX with some Modul8 for good measure. :)

I'll post pics when we find a space big enough to hang it. :)

elvisjer

27th November 2007, 09:15 PM

I am getting a NUVJ tomorrow used for a killer deal, and i assume that software wouldn't really be able to do the masking, layers, or other stuff. I usually use VDMX but my macbook and it's ghetto graphics card stuff just plain isn't very smooth. The NUVJ software is like butter though, beuatiful. I aslo run an array of analog mixers and video/dvd/live sources but only one computer.

netzair

27th November 2007, 09:23 PM

hello every one- here is video of some depth screens i set up, for a night i dropped to the other day, we also had a standard less dynamic square projection on the dance floor, all in all it was a sweet looking night.
sourcing the material was easy, setting up took about 1.5hr i was very lucky to have an open space and high ceiling with wooden beams running across the top to pin into, and a good friend to help with the ladder ect...

enjoy
peace from melbourne australia
netzair =._.=

video-
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=2074925517

myspace-
http://www.myspace.com/netzair12

telekinetix

27th November 2007, 09:39 PM

pretty awesome! but wheres the bar-bee ?

netzair

27th November 2007, 09:44 PM

haha, yeah..
was out back with the roos and koalas.

elvisjer

27th November 2007, 09:50 PM

Netzair, thats exactly what im wanting to do! Are those just mosquito nets? do you layer them so the projector shoots through nets onto other nets behind them, or does the net kill most of the projection? How many projectors were on those nets? Any pics of the setup from a wide view of the whole room? Sorry for all the Qs!

netzair

27th November 2007, 10:06 PM

hi ya elvisjer, yeah its just some matterial similar to mosquito neeting not sure its exact name, but not important u just got to make sure its white and the holes arent too big or too small, the set up was planed to go 3 infront 4 in back so 3-4-3-4-3 but the projector (only 1) dint make it 4 wide so ended up goin 2-3-2-3-2, not sure about the projector but it was some bad boy shot through the nets and onto the back wall,
look generally i doubt the nets will kill any of the projection dont stress just do it man will look sweet, just make sure its dark in the zone.

good luck man

sleepytom

27th November 2007, 10:34 PM

tom you must have had some experience with lycra - you take me as tight fitting spandex kind of guy thru and thru :up:
yeah i did the def leppard tour for 8 months so i know a thing or two about spandex...

all i can say is it is best avoided!! :D

vanakaru

27th February 2008, 09:15 PM

There is a simple but effective setup at the High Five concert in Tallinn. Jazz Ruuler '08. Center 2 circles are more transparent to minimize blocking the view to the stage. These look darker on the video than in real.
YouTube - high five jazzruuler

magiclantern

28th February 2008, 08:17 AM

finally got round to getting some screens sorted...and "by eck" it makes a difference

octagons for 2008

pictured here in rock venue"rios" in leeds

waste pipe, snap on joints. lycra with a hem..jobs a good un

packs down very quickly too

photo by kelvin jay

www.kelvinjay.co.uk (http://www.kelvinjay.co.uk)

rick u up

27th May 2008, 05:47 PM

look at this screen i am useing it and i love it. for my big shows and small ones.I use it at home to looks good at $275.00 .Go to DJscreen.com

MrJustin

28th May 2008, 04:21 PM

look at this screen i am useing it and i love it. for my big shows and small ones.I use it at home to looks good at $275.00 .Go to DJscreen.com

You gotta be shittin me. 249$ for a lycra screen? and then 329$ with truss?? tell you what, can i just give you 80$ for the truss??!! ;)

Please let me know if you make any money out of this, err, venture. if so i might go ahead with my 'sand to arabs' business plan i drew up 30 seconds ago.

stretchyscreens

4th December 2009, 08:12 PM

We are making custom screen sizes and shapes made of flame retardant Lycra at www.StretchyScreens.com/customorder.html

Visit our site or contact me direct:

Josh Dugan
StretchyScreens.com
989-780-1624

Hfour

6th December 2009, 05:21 PM

I've been thinking of making a round screen with 12 or 24 'ribs' in it like a Japanese umbrella. Final screen would be 3-4 meters in diameter, and foldable like an umbrella without a handle/stem. Due to space and time constraints, it probably won't make it into the new year's party i'm working on. We do however, have two more new year's celebrations after this one before the end of the world on Dec 21st 2012...