glade multiscreen and hd mayhem....

[DrEskaton]

Just got back from the glade after six very exhausting days...

we set up two areas, liquid stage and id spiral area, 9 screens in id spiral and 3 in liquid, which we used as one giant screen to project HD 4:1 aspect ratio content (1440x360). HD live content generation was done using my custom Quartonian VAST software to generate text, stills and audio reactive 3d visualisations at 2400x600. We could also mix HD clips at the superwide aspect ratio using the latest grid pro beta version.

the setup we used allowed us to mix pal res vjs with the HD three screens content and change the screen layout around during the night.

thanks to edirol for loaning us a V440HD mixer to test.

myself, inside-us-all, pesh, ls dave, nadine, matt shroom, calvin from brighton were the vj team on liquid stage.

on id spiral we had 8 screens, five of ritchie shiva monkeys amazing multi layers organic stretch screens, two in the id spiral dome and one on the bus all controlled by a 16 way matrix.

tomas peto (arc escape) and elestial were designers of the amazing live dancers and feedback performance that was put on every night.

elestial, tom arc escape, tom syzygy, myself and ritchie shiva monkey were the vj team on id spiral chill area.

best ever gig by a country mile... mixing on 4:3 will be always be boring now....

better pictures are coming later, here's some to start. If anyone has pictures of the screen installation in the id spiral area please post them.

Photography courtesy of Outer Focus, copyright Matthew Cameron Wilson
www.outerfocus.co.uk

thanks to sleepytom for advice and kind words....

http://www.quartonian.net/images/glade2006/glade_triple_01.jpg
http://www.quartonian.net/images/glade2006/glade_triple_02.jpg
http://www.quartonian.net/images/glade2006/glade_triple_03.jpg
http://www.quartonian.net/images/glade2006/glade_triple_04.jpg

big love to everyone who made it there. hope to see some of you at wickerman next weekend

:biggrin: :grouphug: :club:

[vjair]

was realy impressed with the ID Spiral area, but unfortunately didnt make it in to the liquid tent at all..... doh!! i havnt previously experienced a festival environment / installation with as much work put in to it as ID Spiral - the screen set up was fantastic and the decoration was amazing. it provided hours of entertainment for me in the very early hours of the morning :D

[mlv1]

i saw it , it was a beautiful sight, thnx
;)
l1

p.s this was one of a small handfull of video Artists (not vj's) that actually looked like they had done a bit of work and thaught .(as expected)
effort goes a long way. I found my self looking at the same thing from alot of vj's (purchased dvd loop content, most seemed to my eyes, i couldnt dare! ) no originality. The few made an impression. I Thank the few for sharing with my eyes.
i hope a lot of "VJ's", after witnessing the spectacles that were offered by thr peers ,have had a good shake up. roll on the future
please do feel free to comment ,all constructive criticism welcome and taken onboard
l1
peace
protect the human

[vjBrye]

WOW

That looks incredible!

[DrEskaton]

DOH!!!!! stupidly left off that of course inside-us-all did visuals on the id spiral screens as well on sat night.

I hope to have pictures of the screen installations and dance performance very soon.

[mlv1]

i also whitnessed that was that the beautiful morphing world leaders heads with poinient wording. ?

[Rovastar]

Looks very nice. I look forward to more pics.

[Pesh]

for some reason or other i didn't take too many pics this year, but heres a couple of the ID Spiral installation we set up.
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/8745/glade11zk7.jpg
http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2747/glade26qt2.jpg

[telekinetix]

Setup looks like a beast I'm very miffed I was too late for tickets :banghead:

Got any video?

[DrEskaton]

to our utter embarrassment we have no video of the liquid stage. in our excuse it was the most complicated technical setup we have ever done and our team was split over two stages.

we were so busy solving last minute technical problems and then actually vj'ing that no one got around to filming it!

if anyone has any video especially of the images spanning the three screens in the liquid stage please let me know.

we do have video of the performance on the id spiral stage, should get something up next week.

[amcm]

http://www.myspace.com/amcm_visualartLost the plot managed 2 get little bits of footage all bit random,Sorry guys lots of destractions. "My firstset" Wicked time at glade guys n girls caught up with some of you and saw some mental,and very insperational art from some, LACKING WITH OTHERS,"think out side the box"'. I forgot all about my set in breaksday tent,still getting footage in pussy parlor 1hr before, L1nk saved my arse with awsome text, managed to grab in and work with some of the footage.
ive been doing this 1yr,im an ARTIST(i use this term ligthly) i am not a VJ, I use all my own footage and with some amazing software, create from my surroundings. thanx2 L1NKDNA,BREAKSDAY,VIDVOX, GRIDPRO, RESOLUME and all at glade.(trial great will be in touch)

[sleepytom]

ahh the glade....

this year was schorcio! and despite lacking somewhat in the festival department continued to be a good laugh.

visuals wise the ID spiral area was once again the best area on site - trance hippies don't half make some effort when it comes to hanging up crap in the air! (and they had shade too which by sunday was a serious bonus)

Liquid Stage looks great with the 3 black rear projection screens - would of been good to have something on them in the day time (gobo logo projection perhaps??) Roger's quartonian stuff looked really impressive across the three screens (seeing the mixing setup made me laugh though - tripplehead2go doesn't look quite such a cheap option when it has to be plugged into ?10,000+ of scanconverters and mixers!)

other than that the visuals were really quite average - the mainstage again suffered from massively underspeced projectors (the light coloured stage didn't help with the reflection) and the side screens should of been put next to the stage inside the soundsystem towers not right out by the doors where it was too light and you couldn't see them if you were looking at the stage. Coldcut suffered the most from the tech setup being forced into a 1/4 screen show due to the low resolution single projector - routing the signals through the hippotiser didn't help with the quality and introduced a significant lipsysnc issue too

the breaks stage had brighter projectors (well smaller screens with newer bulbs - the images were much brighter) but suffered the same basic standard festival screen setup issues (2 screens in the corners of the tent too far away from the stage to get noticed unless you were specifically look at the visuals) the only content that grabbed my attention was someone playing hardcore porn in the early evening - badly lumakeyed and offensively graphic (what a surprise it was a man playing it!!)

the gabba tent had some great lowfi visuals during tim "please can we have it a little bit louder" exile's set

the origin stage had little round screens this year which looked ok when i walked past - the whole thing was ruined by the 6 channel surround sound system though (surround sound cannot work at that scale - please have a stereo sound system next year!)

so all in all a nice enough event - would be vastly improved by some non electronic music / more entertaining cabaret type stuff. the visuals could be mainly improved by having better infrastructure / more imaginative screen setups (follow the liquid stage / id spiral lead).

well done everyone who was involved especially the i-u-a boys, tom and leon, roger, ben, dave, bruce, and anybody else i've forgotten...

[DrEskaton]

hey tom, the v440hd wasn't required for the triple screen setup on liquid.... we only used that because we could blag it....

I'll be doing it next time with three V4's... :)

you're right in that a shuttle system with a quadhead output card would make more sense in some respects but Apple doesn't sell such a unit so this is the best choice I have right now since I dont want to lug a g5 tower to gigs.

[PilotX]

yeah.. too hot but good.... ID Spiral setup was great, richie who did the screens did a good (long) job..
agree that projectors were too dim on the stages (we didn't start on id spiral till the sun went down so all good there :)), hopefully they'll fork out on LED walls or 25k projectors next year..
I don't remember what visuals I saw (apart from the people I commented to at the time), but I thought the two stages setup purely by VJs (ID Spiral and Liquid) looked by far the best, whilst the rest, setup by lighting companies with hippotizers looked, well, ordinary.. hooks up with a comment sleepytom made on another thread about getting VJs to do the whole setup.. didn't notice screens on the origin stage though.. but I only walked past there in the day as far as I can remember..

[mlv1]

i totaly agree with the dual screen either side of stage set up in the breaks was abit Pants especially as thr was 3 great big doors wide open and glareing.
By the time 02.30 and my 2 headline sets came around (did you witness theses Tom ?) the screens were radient, i honestly think you missed the only visuals in the bReaks tent , i was also there around back of stage(in fact i was back of stage mixing for the whole event whilst waiting to go on) when said "porn" dj BLatently and without a thaught of the Youth(children) at the gig launched his DJ requested not even artisticaly presented filth, which i promptly jumped up to say something to him . I mean if im requested to do porn i have subtle (no entry shot) showing clips nicely effected .

we had 3 sets on that stage 4 1/2 hours in total + all but 2 vj's used my live Fontsynth and gradient synth Text which had Glade and Breaksday and performers names running all day into the main mixer, for anyone to use, as no other "VJ" had bothered to promote the Arena or the Artists the were assigned to mix for ???. Which i found REALY strange as i always promote.
We as Missing L1nkz Visuals had previously been told that the standard was sub-standard in a lot of places (not all, you kno who you are) ,so we did the Whole weekend 3 mixes and support for other acts like the live act who didnt have a VJ but had a QT loop needed playing and possibly "mixxing into " if you wish they said (even AMCM mixed his set from footage taken that day on site on the fly-instant turnover), 5 days on site for ZERO money, granted it was a showcase for Us, but ive been showcasing for the past 7 years on site and 10 at least by mouth , i spend 19 hours a day everyday with my coputers and video ,i love doing what i do for us and for others , i f we can help we always will (thats why we are the missing l1nkz). i was embarrased to be associated with some so called (vj's or as the other crews call them Videots)
whats the going rate for 5 days on site and 3 1 1/2 hour quality original Video ART mixes, and full support.
Will anyone employ us for CASH please
this is my only life , i cant eat computer Chips
l1nk
peace
protect the humans
;)
rant over for now i will be back
Tum T Tum:banghead:

[vjair]

was a pleasure to meet you and work alongside you, but i can see at least one false piece of info there which seems to reflect badly on the other vj's in the tent...

"as no other "VJ" had bothered to promote the Arena or the Artists the were assigned to mix for ???."

i was the one who actually got them to sort the screens out as they were not set to rear projection, SO THAT i could show the logos i had made, Pippa from tcr also commented that she saw the tcr and rennie pilgrim logo's i did, as did some "randoms" i was talking to later, granted not everyone had sorted out the required logo's, but its untrue to say that "no other vj had bothered"

[sleepytom]

hey tom, the v440hd wasn't required for the triple screen setup on liquid.... we only used that because we could blag it....

I'll be doing it next time with three V4's... :)

hehe yeah i know - i just thought it was funny :) (in reality you can do without the th2go if you have 3 decent scanconverters but we is well off topic now.. )

[SilentEclipse]

'Will anyone employ us for CASH please
this is my only life , i cant eat computer Chips'

Sounds like we need to have a hardship fund for VJ's :kiss:

Keep doing what your doing...it will all come right in the end...'we love it more than they ever will'

Who was playing the hardcore porn?? :poke:

[mlv1]

rgr that Air, i do retract that statement as i was thr as my video partner AMCM saw from the front that the font was around the wrong way,at this point it was ourselves that got Mat to sort the shit out, which was only the projector on our side as the other had ben already reversed, as this was when i started shouting (you may have heard me shouting once or twice :)) to change them over, which Mat ? did promptly.
;)
the momory does work i got new rAM:sigh:

[vjair]

lol, same as here mate, more ram needed...hehe.... too many hazy memorys from the weekend, and as for remembering peoples names....im useless!

[deepvisual]

whats the going rate for 5 days on site


freelance pro vidiots go out at a minimum of ?250 a day,
in theory, the promotors could pay you that much, but then they wouldn't have so much money left to spend on gak and fast cars.

[deepvisual]

Who was playing the hardcore porn?? :poke:


why?

[mlv1]

;)

[annaponda]

The liquid stage and id spiral piks look realy cool! Well done guys!


5 days on site for ZERO money, granted it was a showcase for Us, but ive been showcasing for the past 7 years on site and 10 at least by mouth. whats the going rate for 5 days on site and 3 1 1/2 hour quality original Video ART mixes, and full support.
Will anyone employ us for CASH please
this is my only life , i cant eat computer Chips

I'm sorry to hear this, but I'm not surprised as it sounds like you've spoilt them roten with your freebies year after year, they will now expect free VJ intertainement as a norm. :(

Out of curiosity, did any VJ crews or individuals get payed?

.

[vjair]

personaly, i didnt get paid (but got free entry and food for me and a mate - which saved us a few hundred pounds between us - we would have attended anyway) but i was aware that it was a no pay situation right from the start, before it was finalised that i was there(certainly for myself, cant speak for the others)

[mlv1]

personaly, i didnt get paid (but got free entry and food for me and a mate
erm if i come to work , theses things are expected they are not luxuries.


i came to work .
i understood thr ws no money .
what i cant understand is WHY...STILL

i can and have actually been payed between 200 -250 in clubland (less for local friends) , corporates (inc SAS a charity org) pay 250-400 per day/evenig
why dont the big events where THOUSANDS are being made and wasted up noses

, i do do 8 or more hour mixes regularly nevermind the hundreds of hours sourcing importing/exporting/creating, as many Video Artists also do , who dont used purchased content dvd loops.

its a job

;0

[sleepytom]

on the festival budget thing i think people underestimate the cost of doing the visuals infrastructure - for a fairly simple festival setup with 1 10k projector and a pair of 5k projectors, a little VJ setup and some technicians to setup and run it your looking at about ?8500...

I think its unfair to say that festivals don't spend money on visuals, they perhaps don't spend money on VJs but that's understandable given the quality of a lot of the VJs output.

I suggest that people try and get work through collaboration with audio artists - large numbers of audio artists had their own VJs at the glade and this is definitely the future for people who want to be Artists rather than Technicians/artists.

[mlv1]

i think it was the exhaust falling of 4 times on the way in that did it for me :0
i dont want money for me, bar a bag of currents and some nuts... but me kit gets hurt and slow and none movable in the end.
and i do have some set-up i pretty much move my studio out and on road. as you may have seen and that was a small portion of it.we'd like to do bigger things , we are capable , we'd like more screens ( i have an 8x9 matrix and a 4x4matrix , i kno how to route), ive done dual screen setups in house with multiple cards in 1 mac tower it works , we can do that. altough shes slowing down abit these days ;(.

and thrs afew pieces of software i must prchase :)

p.s
we originaly come from the Production/staff side of events and festivals, i have worked for Children of Kaos and Kaos Design Plymouth,devon,uk for the past 10 years rigging decor for All sorts of entertainment/corp events.

[telekinetix]

ANYONE got any VIDEO? surely........

[mlv1]

yup i got a straight out of my mixer 1 1/2 hour mix of me partner AMCM for J.d.s breaksday and 33 mins of myself For Evil9

and a rough wobbly zoom from crowd which im importing as we speak

[telekinetix]

thats what i like to hear! let us know when online..

[mlv1]

no audio on the dvd grab ;)
some on the dvcam wobble

[DrEskaton]

yes, idspiral and liquid crew (vj's and infrastrucutre) got paid. I know others got paid too in other tents.

there was money for vj's to be had.

we had artists names and logos on liquid but got asked to take them off as in the psytrance world it's considered "selling out" to put up stuff like that....

[telekinetix]

we had artists names and logos on liquid but got asked to take them off as in the psytrance world it's considered "selling out" to put up stuff like that....

hahaha :hippy:

[SteveG]

If the event wasn't paying certain VJ's it's not surprising the show was poor in some cases. It also shows that most can produce a short demo good enough to secure a gig but lack the material to sustain the quality for the duration of the show. As well as the usual "send a demo" why don't the promoters and organisers look around at whats actually going on within the VJ scene and club scene. A CV/resume with good residencies and past events proves a point. After all apply for any other job and your references will be checked.

[cal6n]

yes, idspiral and liquid crew (vj's and infrastrucutre) got paid.

Not all of them, but I knew I was "guesting" from the start...

[mondo]

wow!!
congrats on a wicked looking set-up for both spaces
the tyranny of the 4:3 is nearly over
keep on keepin on !!

[mlv1]

cough... psy trance is all about seling out ;)
:gag:
Underground Techno :yep:
healthy if not controvetial thread starter hehe
tum T tum

[magiclantern]

we had artists names and logos on liquid but got asked to take them off as in the psytrance world it's considered "selling out" to put up stuff like that....

i had no idea it was selling out for the crowd to have some idea of who was playing at the time..!!!?!?!

we mainly do chill...but everyone who's name we have "PUT UP IN LIGHTS" has seemed pretty chuffed!

<thanks lord for that cheapo flash text animator he got off the front of a computer magazine disc last year>

[Rovastar]

i came to work .
i understood thr ws no money .
what i cant understand is WHY...STILL


Is this rhetorical?

If not here is the answer - because people will do work for nothing.



3 sets on that stage 4 1/2 hours in total + all but 2 vj's
..
5 days on site for ZERO money, granted it was a showcase for Us, b
Some newbie will do this......
oh! that was you that said that. :rolleyes:

If you know it doesn't pay don't do the gig. Simple really. Doing free gigs are cool if you know the score and don't mind not being paid. You can bitch about them not paying but don't do the gig for no money and THEN bitch.

Festivals can and do have a budget you just have to make them pay you.

[SilentEclipse]

Festivals can and do have a budget you just have to make them pay you.


Word

[mlv1]

im not bitchin about not getting payed , as the whole weekend did me much more good than bad. Im just trying to stir the surface as to why the industry still ignores us on a whole.


if u knew me ud kno im not about the money.
never had any morenlikely never will ;)
i do for free for a good cause like hopefully the next good man,

but when the words ,no money even for fuel is said when the tickets are 80-100 odd per person.......somethings got to break eventualy

acch beating of dead doors.. back to me silence o/

[mlv1]

this might work 20 Mb or so QT or itunes its m4v
itpc://rss.mac.com/mlvisuals/iWeb/mlvisuals/Podcast/rss.xml

or go to www.mlvisuals.com and check out the podcast page

[DrEskaton]

but when the words ,no money even for fuel is said when the tickets are 80-100 odd per person.......somethings got to break eventualy

acch beating of dead doors.. back to me silence o/

plenty of people got paid for glade. if you didnt its because a promoter (of one area) thought you would do it for free. and you did.

stand firm and say no next time, its the only way to get taken seriously and to get paid everytime.

every stage had a budget... and a decent budget, dont blame the glade organisers, blame some middle man who took advantage of you.

[annaponda]

I think budgets for visuals are getting pretty big now, big enough to support the techies/gaffas and the Artists/Performers. Orginisers know visuals are realy important, the days of going to a big music event where theres no visuals are all but over. Imagine what the punters will think, *cheap*, they might just not return next year.

And people will always be taken advantage of. Who gets the cream? Maybe the promoter.

By the way, it costs quite a lot to do a gig...transport, food, drink, accomodation, wear and tear on tools and machines. How much does this all add up to? What ever it is, thats what you are paying just for the privalige of performing there.

[telekinetix]

By the way, it costs quite a lot to do a gig...transport, food, drink, accomodation, wear and tear on tools and machines. How much does this all add up to? What ever it is, thats what you are paying just for the privalige of performing there.

care to elaborate?:shrug:

[mlv1]

i aint blamed or accused any1 yet, im just fishing for info and your all supplying thnx ;)

i kno who told me thrs no budget.

[Pesh]

just out of interest, who did organise the visuals for the breaksday stage?
i wasn't in there much, but what i did see i liked. but i agree with all the comments on screen placement etc.
there is money available for visuals at Glade, but to make the most of it i think you have to be very much hands on with the organiser of that partcular area. ID Spiral and Liquids video setups were designed months in advance by Inside-Us-All, (along with Tom Peto and Dom Spiral) and the gear was supplied and rigged by IUAs crew, thus leaving the design and budget in their hands.
if you leave all that in the hands of the LX supplier, or worse still, the promotor they will always pocket the bulk of it, provide a substandard rig and get 'mates' in on a shoestring to provide the visuals.

[vjair]

Im not sure if its fair to publicly name the person in question as i found him to be helpfull and friendly, but they were a promoter, not a vj, which may explain the situation a little. Personaly, i had no issues with the terms under which i was there as i had a choice to accept them or not.

[sleepytom]

yeah i think people are being unfair here.

Nobody was forced to play at the glade.
AFAIK nobody was not paid money that they were told they would be paid.

The glade does have some issues with how the visuals are managed - the difference in quality between the liquid stage, ID Spiral area and the other stages was hopefully very obvious to the promoters. I hope next year that all the stages at the glade will employ good visuals designers and give people the flexibility and budgets to create some really impressive video installations.

[magiclantern]

i think all vj's in the uk should be taken to see an "inside us all" show
to see how it can be done PROPERLY.


i'm looking forward to being one of the paid vj's at the glade next year...i'm quite a good negotiator!

<top tip>

after telling the promoter how much money you need for the gig.....stay silent....the pause puts the emphasis on them to answer...without you bargaining yourself down too quickly.

[markinside]

hello :)

just a quick one to say thanks to all the crew who made this show possible..

(u know who u are!)

the liquid & idspiral stage was hard, but fun work..which ended up taking 4 months of production meetings, site visits, custom vj shows, etc..etc...

we pulled off most aspects of the 2 shows we wanted to achieve...and learnt alot about working in teams at either end of festival sites ;)...

respect to everyone involved who put passion and creativity first and money 2nd...and respect to the glade festival for continuing to let the small production crews....produce insane productions ;)

for my 2pence worth on money @ glade (or at any festivals for that matter!) its a small festival with a lot of balls...we have found by supporting it...u move forward... by not supporting it you dont...simple as that...for me the glade is still about working with production crews who are trying to make a difference...and not go down the simple production route - i hope that was achieved...on a shoe-string!!

see you all at the next one!

** more photos coming soon, aswell as footage from the IDSPIRAL install (with performances)

** if people have photos / footage - pleas get in contact

[Acid Perception]

Was there loving all of your work, as was last year

roll on 07;)

peace

[stealthsyst3ms]

A great festival with a great Visual presence!!!

Well done to all the PAID and especially the UNPAID crew...

I love the reaction of people, as they enter an area, full of visual delights!... great vj's and some good equipment...thats all ya need innit