The price of VJing

[charlielangridge]

My latest Scene (60 secs) has taken ~76 hours of work and estimates ~4762 hours to render. This is the true price of visuals!

Charlie

ps. If anybody nicks it i'll break there legs!

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[mondo]

yeah, know what you mean.....and no one looks at it anyway.
its over in a club environment in one minute....hahahaha

what is it of anyway?

:-a

[syzygy]

What's the scene? 3D I assume...

Go on - give us some numbers ;) how many objects? How many light sources?

[MoRpH]

Thats a lot of work Charlie, best way to hold onto it mate is keep it to ya self, don't let it outta ya sight. But you know you will eventually get sick of it, when that happens I hope you can release it into the meme pool to benefit everyone. Cheers mate keep it up :)

[BrainStove]

Hehehe Charlie, don?t say that anymore because your post only have 3 interpretations:

1.- You are an exaggerated freak
2.- You are wasting too much time making shit not useful/intended originally for VJing
3.- You obviously are not mastering enough your content creation tools and commiting a lot of mistakes in the process.

Come on, 4762 hours rendering time are almost 7 MONTHS (and just for a 30secs scene???), so unless you are making a top of the line, state of art, broadcast/film class, very well paid clip, you clearly are loosing your mind :D

P.S. So, we think our legs will be safe :p

[charlielangridge]

It was a fairly realistic scene copy from back to the future, with delorean, Flux capacitor, full bg scenery at 25fps and dv res. I was just working on it for fun, but after seening the time needed to render it, i think prehaps not! The longest render i think is worth it is about 30 mins a frame. Anymore and i tend to agree with Brainstove.

[holly]

One more Brainstove!

4. - You need a faster computer.:p

[charlielangridge]

This was running on a 2 ghz pentium, set aside purely for rendering!

[sleepytom]

farm it out mate :)

[charlielangridge]

huh?

[spark]

i live on that farm. no really. a digital shepherd.

[charlielangridge]

huh? now i'm really confused!!?!?!

[spark]

aaah haa, we can have fun with this one. yeah, its really cold down on the farm too... but the stars twinkle all the time :)

[holly]

Do Digital Shepards dream of Electric Sheep?

Is sheep singular or plural?

[spark]

those electric sheep, so retro in their streamlined machinistic glory...

but... and time to explode this a little... i do find it a) hard to understand why someone would want to spend that amount of time recreating someone else's creativity b) esp so given that first time around they had the budget to do it right c) esp esp esp given your holier than thou position on the copyright debate. and its that last point i'm really interested in.

and to explain all, i render wrangle at a vfx house... research 'renderfarm' on google to get the idea.

[holly]

Whoa there Sparkie. Being a farmboy you should know when to watch what you're about to step in. Charlie never said he actually rendered it. He said estimated render time. As in "I've been sitting for 3 days at the computer recreating a beloved scene from a childhood story, only to discover the scene is impossible to render, alas."

Making models is a proper hobby, like those ships-in-a-bottle one often sees on the endtable or above the fireplace....

[charlielangridge]

given your holier than thou position on the copyright debate
Although it was bordering on copyright (one of the main reasons i have decided not to continue with the particular scene), it was not "sampled" and hasn't actually been rendered or used. My point was that even with superfast computers, rendering still takes an apsolute age. I don't think my views on law breaking make me holier than thou and maybe that was just a cheap shot. Im not going to persue this attempt at an argument anymore spark.

Thanks to Holly for her point on model making. I do make models for fun. Although some of you may see it as "sad" or "pointless" it helps me IMHO to create more detailed models for VJ work and overcome problems, the solutions to which i can use for other projects. It also builds my portfolio of work which, i hasten to add, get me work, so i can pay the bills!

[mondo]

alas the proper job............the bane of every vj ey!!#


:-a
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[vortex]

i could say nothing vj work is one of the badest payed job some times i work 150 houers for a thank you to be in the news paper for an non porfit organistion.

yes now it is in the couriculum vitea and nobody read it

[vjrei]

Thanx for your info, now I'm sure I won't be doing bussiness with you:D

Get some footage from audiovisualizers and create just basic things depending of the client.

Do not waste your time in 3D rendering for just 30 sec. it is VJing not tv comertials.

I rather take my powerbook, a firewire video capture device, plug it in to the tv and take images from MTV or things like that. I can end up with at list 10 minutes of footage after a while.

[charlielangridge]

I rather take my powerbook, a firewire video capture device, plug it in to the tv and take images from MTV or things like that.

vjrei, i guess the difference between you and i, is that when promoter / clubbers get bored of seeing the same mtv / tv ripped footage (:zzz: - cliche wannabe vj footage - let's see that clip again!) time and time again, my original and unique footage will shine through.

Charlie

[spark]

hey well, yup that was a little out of character... still interested in what exactly you're against - the intellectual copyright or the straight rip, but i shot myself in the foot on that one.

now maybe a touch scene, where you could control the environment and the car live with midi controllers, that would be another proposition! it would also neuter the 30sec argument...

[unjulation]

for a rip ask if it works well you just got to know wat you rip

r.i.p. self made visuals ha b****y, ha

(if you carnt make it your self get someone else to do it, they might be better then you!!!)

[bluntfaktory]

i think that the price of doing VJing is a comitment to enjoy each step of the prosses in creating the end result , as much as the end result itself . if you have lots of rendering time , let it run , and try going out side , that's where all the fresh air is . ;)

[holly]

Outside...?! But that's where all the wild animals and stalkers are....