A new way for video projection

[urukvideo]

Hi,
First of all, i'v to tell you that my english is pretty bad... so..
I'v a little society in france and we try to make a new video projection "sens"...
I can't explain exactly our technic but just have a look to those 2 video:
http://www.easyweb.fr/noel2005.wmv
http://www.projectiongeante.com/
Just give me your feeling.. about this...
best regards
antoine
http://www.easyweb.fr
http://urukvideomachine.blogspot.com

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[Amukidi]

I thought that the "projection geante" was fantastic! Some really lovely ideas in there. One small gripe - that rotating logo bottom right was really, really distracting, especially during the darker passages - I'd try and tone it down a bit!

[videoswitchboard]

mortel!

very sleek indeed.
wide ranging styles of animation... how many artists did you have to produce the content?

I particularly liked the sections where the architectural features were echoed/highlighted (square blocks movements, lines on windows and the angel)

also, how bright were the projectors you were using?

well done- please keep us informed of further similar projects.

dav

[devonmiles]

yeah, great work! how did you managed to have full black on surface with these powerful projectors? especially around this spotlight effect in the first third?

[Amukidi]

I particularly liked the sections where the architectural features were echoed/highlighted (square blocks movements, lines on windows and the angel)
Yeah, me too, brought the whole extrinsic/intrinsic thing together beautifully.

[Motionreactor]

Beautiful, so many thanks for sharing.

[andythetwig]

excellent stuff. nobody does son et lumiere quite like the french eh?

[bryandod]

Nice work. I agree with everyone else that the strongest part is when the animation plays off of the architechture. What kind of projector was used? looks great.

[urukvideo]

I'll try to answer to every body in english !!

For Amukidi: Thank's !!

For Videoswitchboard:
I'm the only artist who have work on... the show was a 15 minutes full animation on the "building"... with BIG SOUND !!
We had "4" 5000 lumens videoprojectors

For Devonmiles:
You don't need to have very big video projectors !!

For Motionreactor:
Thank's and we'll try to keep you inform

For Andythetwig:
French have "versaille" tradition ( light in the dark ) and "son et lumi?res" are very "normal"...

For bryandod:
I think like you and for big project like that, you'v to make video very "contrast"...


LET THE VIDEO FLY AWAY !! and thank's for all your post !!!

[Ollie]

gotta agree with everybody, great work, would love to have seen that.

but that logo is seriously distracting, i ended up coving it with my fingers so that i could focus on the work.

niceone

[RayV]

great work. respect

[nowig]

a very nice job, congratulations, 100% respect coll?gues...

first time, in more than 15 years, i see a such good work...
chapeau bas...

Vj No Wig

[robotfunk]

beautiful, especially how the projections integrate with the environment, well done!

[deepvisual]

I hope you don:t mind but I'd like to give some constructive critcism.

its nice work. at some points great.

there is a long standing french tradition of playing with the architecture of buildlings by projection and you have made the jump from slide to video in a very creative way.all the same its very easy with video to fall into the trap of making an animated slide show.
you may find things become even more stunning if you play more with the scale of the building.

where many video artists come unstuck on large scale projection, is that things that look great on the TV, don't look so special 150m wide.

projecting on buildings is a fine art. windows drop out important details that you have to play with.....the human brain can recognise a face even when 95% of it is obscured, but a line of text becomes meaningless if only 5% of it is missing.

most of your show fits within the screen .. break out of the box.
for example, imagine a shark that swims from the distance until its teeth fill the whole building...

all the same, I know how hard it is to think of every option when you work on your own with no time and a small budget, so bravo for making something so special out of thin air.


well done

[Hambone]

Spectacular! Fantastic job!

The animations working around the window and door frames are especially effective.

I'd love to see it in person.

[urukvideo]

Thank's very very much for all your post !!!
We ad just 3 weeks to make this show.. from the calibration to the show !!! i'v work all day and night long to create this... and many thank's to Deepvisual for is comment and is SPAG Movement ( can you insert my job in your world class projections.. ??) !! and for NOWIG... i'm your man !!!
KEEP the video OUT OF THE FRAME !!!

[many2]

Very nice work, I love it :)

I agree with most people that one of the most impressive thing is the integration of the actual architecture in the structure of your visuals.

En passant, y a-t-il encore un certain M. Mikulski (je ne crois pas que l'orthographe soit exacte mais bon c'est comme ?a que ?a se prononce) qui travaille chez Projections G?antes ?

[urukvideo]

nop, pas de M. Mikulski... ni de Papaski...

[echelon]

thanx 4 sharing this. it's very inspirational. I'd like the integration of the building with your artwork the most.

What I'd like to know is:
How did you manage the animation of the window outline? Did you have a scale model of all the windows? If you don't want to share this I understand.

[urukvideo]

... it's now my buisness ECHELON... so i can't explain my technique.... it's an old technique use by for exemple "l?onard de vinci" with for exemple is paint call "la C?ne"... he integrate this paint in "Santa Maria delle Grazie ? Milan" where all the "perspectives" are in the same way.... so the spectator imagine that all the people on the paint are in the room.. the real one.. and to finish, in the paint, on the back, you can see a piece of what you normally seen if the wall was not there.... THANK's L?onard !!

[Excalibas]

It?s Fantastic, thank?s urukvideo!!!

[joni*roco]

F*****G BEAUTIFUL! There's no better way of making video interact with a subject, bringing the architecture to life...I only wish I was there to experience it in all its glory!...?tourdir.

[USE]

how did you get the building's elevation to base the video around? did you get blue prints of the building, take a photo, or what?

just curious.

amazing bit of visuals, mon amis, keep it up!

[THC]

B E A U T I F U L

[urukvideo]

Thak's very much for all your post !!!
For "USE", we have a big time process of taking pictures of the building... plan it in 3d... and take "mesure" bye lazer to have a precision of all detail of the building... i can't say more... i'v already give you more than i can.. it's my buisness... For "joni roco".. in 3 month we can take our "videoprojection truck" and travel to england....

[Kyle]

Kudos...Looking forward to see what you project on next.

[Amukidi]

. in 3 month we can take our "videoprojection truck" and travel to england....
check your PM box mate!

[foonji]

That is amazing! well done that man!

[warpTV]

very nice! - you would like the work dub module have ben doing with louis vuitton

:up: :up: :up:

[homing]

Franchement Bravo!

C'est vraiment splendide. Il doit tellement y avoir de travail derriere tout ca!
J'aurais aim? moi aussi voir ca "live" . Ca m'a inspir?e beaucoup!

[AndresC4]

"Thak's very much for all your post !!!
For "USE", we have a big time process of taking pictures of the building... plan it in 3d... and take "mesure" bye lazer to have a precision of all detail of the building... i can't say more... i'v already give you more than i can.. it's my buisness... For "joni roco".. in 3 month we can take our "video projection truck" and travel to england....
"

EXELENT!!!
The waves falling through the building and "deforming" the building texture was beautiful!!!
and the ray trace following the windows and doors line was amazing to, i will love to see something like that live!

Tell us more ( if you can ) about the setup and software... 4 projectors with one pc ? dvds sync ? 4 pcs ? i was perfectly calibrated,
i think it was the best visual show i ever see. ( after the u2 led screens :P )

[urukvideo]

Thank's andresC4, i can't speak a lot about the process... you understand why... For the technic info, we use 4 pc for each Videoprojectors.. The sync is a little soft in c++.... and the videoplayer is VLC.... and for the U2 Show.... give me 10% of the budjet and you will see what we can do !!

[VJK]

I just seen the video, it?s really amazing, congratulations!

And I hope in some time you describe more the system you used, I know now... it?s impossible, but well in a near future =)

Thanks for bringing new ideas to us.


Chris :biggrin:

[rhino]

:butterfly pretty, great work can I ask how you span the video over 4 projectors like that, is it one source spanned or 4 sources in sync?

[Amukidi]

can I ask how you span the video over 4 projectors like that, is it one source spanned or 4 sources in sync?
They've already told us.....
The sync is a little soft in c++

[rhino]

They've already told us.....

oops, I didn't see the other 2 pages when I posted!

[AndresC4]

4 pcs for each projector? :O
wow... and what resolucion was each projector ?
( they where coneted by rgb o compositive/svidieo? )

[gnomatron]

stunning! as with everyone else, i love the bits where you echo the architecture. the flying faeries and angels are amazing, too.

The part with the snowfall was amazing - the subtle details of having snow on the window ledges was great.

[hookturn]

Wow ,wow, wow,

How did you do that?
It looks so amazing. Brings home what we can really do if we put our minds to it.

Bravo.

P.S. I cant see the first vid as its not letting me get any access.

ANy ideas?

[urukvideo]

TO HookTurn,
Our server is down for a week because of the "incredible numbers" of viewers.... so we trying to put it on a bigger one...

[urukvideo]

a new link for the video:
http://www.easyweb.fr/noel2005.wmv
it'll work in 1 or 2 hours....

[kattyb]

It would be great if we could buy a DVD of the piece at high res. It's been the most impressive large-scale video projection onto a building we've seen, and it's great to show to people as an example of what's possible. Everybody we've shown has been so impressed with your work.

If you're having server troubles, you might like to serve the video on archive.org - let the US govt pay for your bandwidth ;)

We're going to be doing a projection onto the outside of a building for Lux2006 in Sevilla in May, but as we arrive only a few days before the event and have a nonexistent budget, it's going to look so lame compared with yours. Yours is almost enough to put us off trying, it's so beautiful!

Thanks for the inspiration. I think the work will be remembered as a milestone in the development of video art/VJing, both for it's scale and the relationship to the building.

[urukvideo]

Kattyb,
We can sell our video on DVD but at this time we mail it.. for free... It's already done..
For the "archive.org" thank's, i'll looking at.
About your Sevilla project... it's not normal to have a "nonexistent budget"... We have to show to our client that is a work ! and for all works, you have to pay !! I'm a Vj since 15 years and i use to "fight" for my right !!! We are new "worker" so we have to defend it !!!
Thank's for all !!

[USE]

bump....:cheers:

[hookturn]

bump....:cheers:

Thanks :cheers:

[asterix]

gadddammit I love that shit...

[paranoidkarma]

FUNtastic... :D
really good ^^

[bIRDS]

Amazing, I have only one little question, how did you achieved the image blending between the 4 proyectors, did you used a similar sistem like watchout o pandoras box??

Greetings dude!

[6071842]

this is fantastic! im really down for it!!! Cool :)

[PuRu]

Very nice, it would be great if you could post before other shows, I would love to drive a couple of hours to see something like this!

[claudio]

Hi,
First of all, i'v to tell you that my english is pretty bad... so..
I'v a little society in france and we try to make a new video projection "sens"...
ciao urukvideo
I find your work great.
the use of light in the animations is very clever.
I've been working with similar technics (or at least similar final effect).
I'm also doing some stuff in real time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEQOIi_Htz0
hope to meet you for a chat someday :)
keep up the good work
c

[vjrei]

Lovely, huge impact, low budged. Keep going.

[Rovastar]

I don't know how I managed to miss this thread.

Beautiful work.

I thought the content worked really well for the building especially the more custom stuff.

[vjrei]

I am doing in in my livingroom.

Some how my previous post was deleted congratulating, nice work. One thing is to talk about something I would like to do, and another thing is actually doing it.

Well, I place my proyector in my living room, I proyected white light from the V4 and took a picture in high res from the proyector point of view.

Then I came and create a series of lines in another layer in photoshop. Lines fallowing the shapes of the corners and borders of the windows just to have something to calibrate on.

Then I create a mpg picture (white lines with transparent background) and 720 x 480. I took the file to Modul8 and conect it to the proyector.

First result...

It didn't match but I was expecting that. I was able to match a few lines but other ones were out of place. I had to stop because is bright daylight and I just have a 2700 lumens proyector. I have to wait until nightfall to make it happen.

I asume that once everything is calibrated I can figure out a good technic to be able to do.

I will be actually satisfy with accomplish this http://www.pablovalbuena.com/augmsculpt_condeduque_web.mov

Then, I believe that with Modul8 you could calibrate most of it. Now, in the rotation tool in M8, one degree can become several meters on the proyected area.

And.... yesterday I took the video I just linked and the building video to a friend of mine who is an architect and playing along with Cinema 4D we were able to do some real good things beside all this!

[vjrei]

Ok, it is a nightmare to set up. To aling the lines with the shapes in my livingroom wasn't good. 95% accuracy but for this to work has to be 100%. Then, there is a lot of proyector set up and if the music is loud the proyector is going to move and loose calibration.

But impossible things just need more time to be done.

[crustea]

95% accuracy but for this to work has to be 100%.

I'd recommend to do the mapping in realtime to get better results.. Then you can have a nearly "pixel perfect" mapping..

http://www.antivj.com/clubtransmediale/index.htm

[vjrei]

How can I do that?
I can not draw on real time over the final surface, I can not place the photoshop canvas on top and draw. All I can think of is to take a picture with my digital camera from the proyector point of view and create the lines from there.

What I just realized is that the proyector has to be very close to teh object to keep the resolution fine. I did in my livingroom and the distance, of course, create a bigger image and it look cheap. The other way would be to go beyond 740 x 480 resolution but for that I will need a computer generating video instead a DVD.

[crustea]

I can not place the photoshop canvas on top and draw.
That's exactly what you need to do.. You'll get a much better result than the camera trick..


What I just realized is that the proyector has to be very close to teh object to keep the resolution fine. I did in my livingroom and the distance, of course, create a bigger image and it look cheap. The other way would be to go beyond 740 x 480 resolution but for that I will need a computer generating video instead a DVD.

For a mapping, you should always use the native resolution of your projector, then pixels and details will be as clean as they can possibly be... 1024x768 is quite good if your projector can handle it.

Also for any clean mapping, you should use VGA or DVI, svideo or composite just doesn't work (so I think you should definitely use a computer instead of a DVD.)

[vjrei]

Thanx, last night while watching TV I realize that doing video mirrowing was the best way to go to do the maping and yes, higuer resolution to keep clean lines and a blck background. I'll keep working on it tonight. :)

By the way, if you are working on 3D try camera texture mapping. This will place any texture on to of any tridimentional object but compensating the perspective from the camera point of view. The good thing is that the 3D surfaces end up with the textures maped on top and I am able to print them and get the same visual effect http://www.damnfunnypictures.com/html/3D-Painted-Rooms.html. So, bye bye distorted angles.