image rights

[sub7]

anybody had any bad experiences when using images. for instance organisations that guard copyright laws?

i personally have never heard of any incidents, but i also do not know very much about imagerights when veejaying, using short excerpts from movies, tv shows and other stuff

[holly]

Try some public domain (http://webdev.archive.org/movies/prelinger.php) footage or look to Audio Visualizers (http://www.audiovisualizers.com/rootmenu.html) for ready to use CDs and DVDs of vj footage.

There is a thread (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=895) about this in the legal forum.

HOLLY

[Mattbot]

Just because a clip is in the Public Domain doesn't mean it's copyright free. There are many different layers of copyright that need to be cleared before a clip is legally free to use.

"Use of public domain works is another way to cut the costs of footage. Public domain works come with a caveat though. You do not need permission to reproduce the actual work, but various elements within the piece may be copyrighted.

For example, a film may be in the public domain, but there are actors, directors, writers, stunt people, choreographers, music trademarks, etc. within the film that are not in the public domain and warrant clearing."

-The Rights Company (http://www.therightscompany.com/what.htm)

Chances are, if you've been using Public Domain footage, you've still been "stealing."

Mattbot

[Bluelive]

Does anybody even do this ?

Anyways, how would one go about securing all the rights to modify the original and play it before a paying crowd?

[wellREDman]

yes there are a lot of em, but they are wild eyed renegade individuals who have no regard for corporate law or the strictures of mammon and whose only regard is the quality of art...

they are shunned by all upright and conforming members of the community and have to hang around in the shadows playing their anti-corporatist dissident video in illegal raves and not getting any of the fat mtv sponsoredmainstream pie

if you meet any of these subversive types under no circumstance exchange ANY memes with them, put your fingers in your eyes and repeat to yourself "disney and time warner own all art" until they go away again

:)


wellREDman

this disclaimer bears no significance to anything other than a sincere attempt to distance the vj community from any legal fallout from the wanton use of pastiche, parody and collage in videoart

[Bluelive]

How to get content then, with the proper rights?

[Amukidi]

Make it yourself!

[Bluelive]

:D well there ends the unstarted carreer, cant draw worth shit.

[eXhale]

Originally posted by Bluelive
:D well there ends the unstarted carreer, cant draw worth shit. draw? what kind of visuals do you want to do? maybe you could partner with some artists, i'm sure there are a lot of them who would love to see their creations shown to a wider audience, if they are given proper credits.

[Amukidi]

Good idea eXhale! anyway, you CAN draw - you just don't know it yet!

[Amukidi]

Anyway, where the hell does drawing come into it, when you want to mess about with video? or are you trying to say you are no good at "art"?

[VJOZ]

At this point in time you may be semi-OK with unlicensed content. But you should definitely begin to shift over to legit content. Its only a matter of time when some organization is formed and announce themselves after a 6 month investigation of your club scene, pointing a litigous finger at everyone.

Rights can be aquired, but it does take work. Musical artists do this all of the time. But they only sample if they think they're going to recover the expenses. Is it worth it to sample?

Think about why you're playing visuals. Are you a club? Then hire a VJ. Are you a VJ? Then pick up some clips and singles.

Are you a visual artist? Then go out and shoot and/or sit on your computer and render. Every drawing begins with the first line. Every artist know he'll draw billions of lines in his lifetime. Not every line is perfect. Draw. Erase. Draw. Erase. Draw. Yes. Next one. Repeat.

Same for visuals.

-radley