all the girls in the house say yo!

[Anyone]

all the girls in the house say yo!

[holly]

YO, Bro!

[wellREDman]

yo

[BrainStove]

Yo

What is the question again?

[Kriel]

Been watching all the related posts. Just a note: Holly, you're clearly ahead of the dialogue on this one. Respect. Glad to see you steppin' up.

kriel
x

(As for the haters out there, read Luce Irigaray, it was written before your sad hateful ass was born.)

[michaelheap]

this is lara's answering machine, she is unavalible at the moment if you would like to leave a message do so after the tone.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ...........tone

[holly]

Yo, Kriel!

Yeah, I think all the women left after the "Springer" fiasco. I've been emailing a few, trying to get them to start posting again, but they figure "why hang where they're not welcome." This thread is evidence. Sux, but that's what happens when there's no monitors. It'll take a while for new women to show up and start posting again.

HOLLY

[MoRpH]

Hmmm holly, I have to say I honestly can't understand why any ladies out there would feel that they aren't welcome after that thread???? I thouguht is made it abundantly clear that ppl care about their ideas, not their gender......

Also don't start hacking on the moderators, this shit is only here cause we bother to look after it.......... so step up to the plate or step the fuck off.

[holly]

I *did* step up to the plate, Morph. There's a monitor now and the thread was surgically snipped so future femme-vjs won't see it and leave in disgust. That was my goal.

I'm trying to post a lot right now to balance out the fact that a bunch of female vj's just left or are keeping silent (me, I LIKE to cause problems), but I can't commit to doing it forever unfortunately. Believe me, I'm not claiming to be the voice of woman-kind or pretending that I speak for all the girlz out there. I'm doing what I can right now and hoping it will make a small difference until the women start coming back or new ones show up.

I can't commit to VJF because, quite frankly, I see it as a place that is mostly indifferent to women and occasionally hostile to women. (It also has the same conformist agenda for people who speak German, Spanish, et al, so I'm not taking it personally.) It's a boyz club and that's de facto. No amount of me posting or rallying or monitoring is going to change that. It would have to be a decision by the people already here to make it a femme-friendly space. (Thanx NE1 for making the attempt!!!!) Honestly, everytime I read something that I perceive as femme-bashing or sexist it turns me off this place more and more. I don't want to be a cop and sensor everytime someone says a bonehead remark about needing to "accomodate" his girlfriend or posts a photo of a big-titted babe. So I limit my comments to my few areas of expertise and the newbe forum.

A few femme-vjs emailed me and suggested we start a seperate web forum entirely for women in media production and performance, but I don't really think that's the solution that would help everyone. I'm trying to get them to post, but it's really up to them if they want to bother. A lot who have contacted me say it's not worth it. VJF is a social meeting place and there are other social places to get technical info. They also have *****'s option of never revealing they're female, but you usually don't seek advice from people (or a group) you don't respect. If you can't see when and why VJF is an unpleasent place for women VJs, maybe you can at least see that I'm the only woman posting in this thread.

h

[complexvisuals]

Well I think you are all great.

Cian
COMPLEX

[MoRpH]

Sorry holly thats not what I meant I actually meant taking responsibilty (as some ppl here seem to think that we should)for the stuff that OTHER PPL say on this forum.


As for conformist, its very difficult to get technical ideas across to ppl when ppl are speaking another language. As for the gender threads in this (the meeting post) forum I am all for the ladies getting together (as you can see from my other posts).... just please don't have a go @ the mods, a lot of us are having our first go @ this and are still learning...... as the site is growing, honestly I thinkl I can speak for the rest of the mods insaying that WE ONLY WANT WHAT IS BEST for the growth and realization of what VJC/F is all about and that is helping ALL VJs do what they do better and to get any help they need.

MoRpH

[vjnixmix]

Can we not turn this into another debate please... :)
Glad to know there is diversity in our culture.
Peace.
Miss Nix

[eirenah]

Originally posted by holly
Yo, Kriel!
I've been emailing a few, trying to get them to start posting again, but they figure "why hang where they're not welcome." This thread is evidence.
HOLLY

howdy.
again, i'll say only what i think (not in the name of all girrlz:)).
if i see some asshole saying in general something bad about girls as VJs, i won't take it personal - why should I? he doesn't know ME! if he says something bad about MY WORK with good arguments, then it stops being a girl-boy thing, then it's a VJ-VJ thing. So, i don't see why girls should feel they're not welcome here.

After all, i feel more then welcome here, every time i asked for help i got it (huh, that's strange, never from a girl! why??), and i don't think we should judge the whole VJCentral.
Again, i'm talking about balance. In one hand you have maybe few assholes inhere, so, IGNORE them if you don't like them, and in the other hand, you have a few hundereds of really nice guys who are allways willing to help you and that results in me want to help them if i can.

The reason I (ME myself and I, don't know about others) am not being so active on this forums is one and only thing: not enough time (studyng+working hard, and being a woman afterall:)), but i'm making contributions the way i can.
This has nothing to do with me not feeling welcome here.

irena

[eirenah]

aah yes... almost forgot:

YO YO YO

:)

[holly]

Yo Yo Eirenah!

I'll try to respond to your questions from now on -- even if I don't know nuttin! HA!

[holly]

Ooh! Such language. You kiss your imaginary girlfriend with that mouth?

Learn a new four-letter word.

[holly]

Any body ever see PSYCHO?

Put on the dress and wig again *****.... Ooooh, NOOOO! It's "Debisioux" coming after me with that knife! REEEEEEEEE! REEEEEEEE! REEEEEEE!

[Anyone]

What happened to just saying yo?

have a read:

netiquette (http://www.rand.org/publications/MR/R3283/)

other link suggestions would be appreciated...

Ne1

[vjpixylight]

Yo YO,
not to change the subject, but since we are on the sexist subject,...

In Colorado, VJ jobs are far and few between, and so when an offer came thru for pixy to do VJ work at a strip club, I was seriously considering it...

My question is, Does that make me sexist? I know that strip clubs demean the women and all, and I personally wouldn't go to one unless it was work related, but what should I do???

[wellREDman]

two good ways pixy of deciding something when its a moral issue, how would you feel about a freind of yours if he took this gig?

is there any way you can take the gig and use it to do some good /make some change from the inside?

dunno its a toughie, maybe go have a talk with some of the girls who work there find out how happy they are there, tho im not sure how you'd accomplish that, certainly hanging about outside the backdoor doesnt seem very wise :)

[vjpixylight]

Yea Red,
I have known some girls who did the stripper thing, and even tho they wouldn't say it, I aways got the feeling they were't so happy to be doing it...(would anyone be for that matter??) I think I will have to turn it down as I would't feel right about making money in this manner..(althought it is quite tempting, I must admit)

Does anyone else do this type of VJ gig? How do you feel about VJing naked women for drouling dudes? I don't think it would be very becoming of me to exploit the VJing ideas we all try to bring across in our visualz with video mixes of lap dances..

[holly]

Wow, VJ-ing in a stripper club??? That's so COOL!

Well, yeah, ok, I would certainly hesitate but I think you should go and hang out there one night by yourself (for professional reasons naturally). Talk to a few of the girls and ask them if they think it's a cool place or not, especially do they think the management is fair. They hire commedians and DJ's all the time.

Maybe you could add some class and style to the joint. Would it really be videos of lapdances? I guess expecting to show something softcore would be a little naive, huh. Too bad. I picture it like creating endless sets of James Bond movie opening credit style composites-- oohh and just think of the quality of female bodies you'd have access to! Can I have this job? But the management would probably want something a little more explicit.... That would be kinda gross.

At the very least you'd have a few stories to tell.

HOLLY

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by Debisioux
not one single male VJ is tagging his posts with a pic of him in a jockstrap.

EEEEWWWWW now THAT would be a horrid sight :p

[vjpixylight]

Thanks for the advise holly... now this is what I can relate to coming from a femme, good femme advice...VJ or not

This strip club isn't just a tiity bar, it is a full on, get down and dirty kind of place...that is why they want me as a VJ, to expose the ruff...
I am talking webcams and closeups of everything...
Something tells me that it is a bit like a serious actor/actress that somehow thinks doing porn will be a fleeting thing... it is not so much a morality issue that would drive my decision, but more what it would do to my psyche...
It would be easier to make a decision on this if I could think of it as art, but porn and carnality has never beenmuch of an art to me...if it was fettish, I could do that. I'm no prude, but I want to promote a positive message with video, not a sleazzy one...

I have to admit, it would seem that VJ'sare a logical next step in this kind of a business tho, and I wouldn't be surprised if this subject comes up again...
So here is my question...Are girl VJ's more suited for this kind of work? Could girls be more professional than guys in doing it? (unless of course the guy is gay, then the question becomes mute..
I am afraid if I take the job, I am going to be having to be wanking it in the bathroom every 20 minutes or so...:p

[holly]

...Or worse, be numb to sex from now on.:o :zzz: :(

The more you describe it, the less cool it sounds. Kinda weird with the cameras everywhere.... Would people really feel comfortable having themselves on camera DOOing it? Wouldn't that be an issue for most guys (married, business)? Probly most of the women too, I'd guess. It's one thing to dance and the little extra that pays the bills:eek: ; it's another to know your ex-boss has hours of video of you doing it....

Am I wrong? Would guys think being on video was a turn-on? Especially if there was a possibility of web broadcast.... Kinda rhetorical question. No one has to shout out here;).

[vjpixylight]

well, I don't think it goes that far holly, I mean this isn't amsterdam...but you do raise a valid point about what, and who gets caught on video...from what I understand, the webcams will be only pointing at the girls, and the webcams are just broadcasting to special member only sites.. they already do this...
all they want me to do, is the live mixing of it all..it seems a fairly reasonable prospect, but I still have my doubts...

now holly, you didn't answer the real question...that being, can female VJ's be more professional under these kind of circumstances than male VJ's?? This is where we should point this arguement about sexism...I think the girls could do better myself, but then I might be puting my self out here on a limb, as guys here will think I'm pandering to the girls, and the girls will still think I am a sexist pig...I guess it can cut both ways..:cool:

anyhow here is something to think about when you feel the urge to flame...
http://www.wisecat.vispa.com/pages/installing-love.html

[holly]

I would think that if the rules were established (we want this but not that because it sells better) that any vj could be professional under these circumstances. I would hate to think that men are the drooling Tex Avery wolves in overalls that loose control everytime a pretty girl walks by. I think a person has to have a desire to let-go to reach that level of hedonism. Then again, there are sex-addicts, just as there are gambling-addicts, and alcohol-addicts. I guess I have to admit that there are some who possibly could not control themselves, and maybe that is what is so "sleazy" about a place like this. Not only are the women willing victims to an artificial passion, but the men are too.

Not knowing you personally, Pixy, but having a feel of you from your posts and your website, I'd guess that it would not be the most comfortable place for someone of your heart to be. I doubt the sex would be as much of a problem as the baser side of physical exploitation for pay. You'd probably be just as unhappy at an Ecuadorian banana farm.

Peace out little brother.
h.

[elbows]

Originally posted by vjpixylight


now holly, you didn't answer the real question...that being, can female VJ's be more professional under these kind of circumstances than male VJ's??

Well they are not likely to turn into a human tripod in such environments for a start ;)

[Anyone]

Pixy,

the only danger in you doing the strip club is that,
my guess is that these people make A LOT of money,
and putting a good portion of that in your pocket is no issues for them,
less of a problem than club promoters...

so the danger is,
if they like what you do,
they might ask you to do it more often,
for good money,
so that you become "resident" strip-club VJ

So the danger IMHO is money, not sex.
you might get used to getting paid proper money,
and not want to go back to mediocre club wages...

Ne1

[fluchtpunkt]

Originally posted by vjpixylight
...if it was fettish, I could do that. I'm no prude, but I want to promote a positive message with video, not a sleazzy one...
...
I am afraid if I take the job, I am going to be having to be wanking it in the bathroom every 20 minutes or so...:p

...i've done a few fetish parties this year. it has been a very positive experience. actually i don't think i've seen people running parties with more dedication or love for detail & arts.
it was a challenging task for me to vj in such a radically different environment. lots of new (explicit) footage to experiment with, lots of stuff for filming (stageshows/punters), no taboos (...different taboos) & a different dynamic in the crowd.... alltogether this sums up to great fun.
...as for the wanking part of it :)... i now know that my libido takes a nosedive when people are engaged in sexual play all around me... & while mixing/filming there was also a strong 'professionalism' filter at work in my brains :D .
i have to say i never felt uncomfortable with what i was doing nor with being at such a party (though it clearly isn't 'my world') ...except for once. but that wasn't a fetish party - it was fetish fashion show: no dresscode, open to the public etc. . now all of a sudden you had loads of drooling young corporate guys (&girls) amongst the fetish crowd - & i did not really feel comfortable anymore (though what was going on on- & offstage was harmless compared to the other events as to explicity - it was the air of exploitation & cheap thrills i did not like).
...
it's your call mate. you now know what it did to my psyche (nothing harmful to say the least) :), but to find that out for yourself i guess you'd have to try....

peace, out
f

[vjpixylight]

not just the money, the drugs too...
places like this are swiming with all the wrong drugs(at least ones that I see as harmful)...
it is quite concievable thatit would get me into the wrong type of place with my psyche, and though it isn't that I can't control myself around naked women and gogogo drugs, but i can, as we all know, bcome a vicious cycle...

That said, I think I might hit up some less exploitive girly clubs about doing VJ work, but I am going to pass on this one..