VJForuns Police

[neoteo]

Do we need more and better mods ?

its clear to me , off topic is one thing , it can hapand, and the porpuse may not be to flame the thread .. miss understanding , or relative opinion.

and there is off topic insulting ... big diference

if the actual mods canT act , judge , do any kind of justice , then we know why this forum is always in flames ... and will stay a burning hell forever ...

[hamageddon]

http://pictures.materialausgabe.de/nobrainer.gif

[DrEskaton]

neo get over it....

people took the piss out of one of your topics, so what?

having a sense of humor is a good thing....

youre the one that started abusing people..

and nothing is off topic in general chat anyway....

[DFUNC]

Relax neo. If you're topic is interesting enough, people won't go offtopic.

[neoteo]

you are building your own devils , dont complain in the future

[hamageddon]

http://masalleras.tripod.com//sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/dcp_1568.jpg

[sleepytom]

Originally posted by neoteo
you are building your own devils , dont complain in the future neo your being really stupid - your topic "one of my friends is a DJ" is off topic in itself (this being VJ forums) also do you really think that you are the only person here that has freinds who are a DJ? FFS almost everyone i know is or has been a DJ at one point or another.

anyway as you of all people should know we do not regually delet posts here - this will not change. however I will reiterate the warning that we gave you when you were new here that if you contiuosly attempt to derail threads with off topic posts then you may be banned.

don't think that because some people took the piss out of your thread that this gives you the right to ruin anyone else's threads.

http://www.thequality.com/flics/horses4courses/src/office/hatstand%202.jpg

[neoteo]

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do you really think that you are the only person here that has freinds who are a DJ?
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you are the stupid thinking that i think im the only one that have DJ friends ... actualy its the oposite , becose i know everyone here have DJ friends , i was thinking it would be good to make a thread for it ...

but you guys are helpless , you search for anything to make a joke

when i start a thread " my friend is a DJ " it was meant to fit everyone who would post in that thread , not just me ... you dumbs

[InsideUsAll]

neo-
it may be my bad for not being as active here on a mod level, but i haven't had much time to stay on top of it last few weeks.
If you feel insulted because the mods don't do exactly what you feel is right, I sorry mate, but I think you are just being a bit to critical mate.

I hope that you can get over it, and just keep a cool head about you when peeps here want to flame.
...and I think 'my friend is a DJ' is as okay a topic as any on general chat. I don't see whys there is all the blagging over it:confused:

-pixy

[Rovastar]

neoteo,

With the failure to explain your intentions of the thread is there any wonder that the thread turned out like that.

For all we know you could have wanted to have a create a my friend does jobs thread.

Anyway you cannot force people conform to your idea of the relevant/useful topic in general chat.

I didn't consider any replies offensive or too over the top (and I don't think other mods think that too). General Chat is more of an off topic forum so you can post threads like you did and others can do as they did in them.

General Chat in any forum is always one of the most difficult to moderate.

On other forums I moderate like forums.winamp.com I have given up trying to moderate it. You can never keep everyone happy.

We respect freedom of speech and your right to question the decision of non-action is noted with us.

[neoteo]

cut the crap .... just look at the pictures they put in that thread ..,.

really, i dont give a shit ...

do nothing

its yours ..

hope you enjoy looking at it

becose i dont

[akira_k]

Originally posted by neoteo
i know everyone here have DJ friends , i was thinking it would be good to make a thread for it ...
Then why not name the thread "DJ friends thread" or fucking EXPLAIN in the post something like " I thought I would start a thread about our DJ friends, let's post here links or whatever to thank them blahblahblah"


A post named "My friend is a DJ", which only has a link and no explanation whatsoever about the purpose of the thread, seems to me as ILLOGICAL as the replies that followed.

Blaming the receptor of the message is easy when there are problems in the message...

So get your shit together and stop moaning. I got tired of you converting every thread where a mac was mentioned into a Mac-flame thread, however, I have not sissy whined to the mods about it nor I questioned the integrity of the moderation team because they happened to not agree with what *I* think.

[disassembler]

http://www.rickywolking.com/news/uploads/HEAD-UP-YER-ASS.jpg

[devonmiles]

message from the vj central police:

http://www.regimepopulaire.com/misc/matrix-smith.jpg

[elbows]

Be careful what you wish for neoteo. Im sure if we applied what you were saying and decided to moderate the place in a heavyhanded way, you would of been in trouble with the moderators back in October 2003. Your 5th post on vjforums was the first of many attacks on Apple, Mac and its users.

You didnt want us to ban you for that, or delete your unproductive posts, and we didnt. Why do you now demand the opposite when it suits you?

[elbows]

And if I go and delete all your offtopic posts, and you login and discover your post count is now 300 instead of 1265, would you be happy?

[elbows]

Oops that sounded like a threat. Let me clarify; Ive no intention of doing nything to your previous posts. Im just saying, that if we did what you are asking for on this thread, then you would likely be one of those people who ended up with some posts being deleted in future. And as Im not sure youd be very happy about that, I wonder if you are really asking for us to be stricter or whether you just want us to be strict when it suites you?

[vjrei]

Originally posted by devonmiles
message from the vj central police:

http://www.regimepopulaire.com/misc/matrix-smith.jpg

LOL, thank you, I needed LOL

[sketchyj]

thank you devonmiles ah-hahahaha

[neoteo]

yes i give up smith ...

you cant teach anything to brainless robots

you are comparing apple/mac flames with , people injecting and passed out on the toilet ... forget it ...

[KillingFrenzy]

just a simple note saying:
"Hey folks, I really wanted to get everyone to give props to the DJ" would have sufficed.

The written word has great power. Don't be owned by other peoples writing/posting. The world is largely as you make it, Neo.

Given that, don't you think the last movie would have been alot better if agent Smith had just realized he had true autonomy and left. That, to me, would have implied a true evolution of the computer. The Matrix never gave Smith free will, and that's what would have defined his evolution to equality with mankind. Frustrating films.

[vjrei]

Neoteo an the rest of the people...

The internet is the least safest place to handle a human relationship.

The fact that you do not see with who you are "talking" to make you create your perfect audience in your mind. That is a mental unrealistic game.

Do never say something you haven't say in real life, taht is the rule of gold.

I bet you the AVIT meetings are really paceful, because we are realizing the respect of the space of other people. Internet is a lonely game.

For example: I was about to ger MARRIED to an incredible girl, but we had to split, she in Venezuela and I was in Miami, and in one point the realtionship lost that human esence and we kept chatting and all that. At the end she left me for some stupid reason.

Then, I moved back to Venezuela and when I saw her after just 3 months probably, she was so different than the person I had actually in mind. I realized that but she didn't realized I was not that person she had in mind as well. We have to re-introduce ourselves again basically.

So, have that in mind as well that the lack of contact does not let us tell our actual background aspecially in a multicultural forum. Some or us are cuban, argentinian, british, new yorkers, etc. Imagine sitting in a table with all that people at once and traying to impose your criteria. Forget about it. Do not do it in real life, do not do it here.

Those are my two cents.

[neoteo]

bla bla bla , yada yada yada , there is no excuse to post a guy injecting what ever in to is arm , or a guy sleeping in the toilet ...

thats all i have to say ...

[elbows]

Oh right so its actually nothing to do with people posting stuff that is offtopic, its just that a few photos in particular offended you.

Given that different people are offended by different things, how do you think we could change the rules to suit your particular tastes? We cant, we shouldnt, and you never gave 2 shits whether your ranting and calling mac users stupid caused any offense.

[neoteo]

well , its obvius why this forum is going down day by day ...

mac users plus people with no sence ... if there is diference in those

calling mac users stupid people it is less agressive then posting a person injecting or drunk in the toilet ... YES !

i may have called mac users stupid , but i never post a photo of someone shiting or injecting on those threads ...

if you think its the same , then you are giving even more reason to this thread ... the actual mod atitute of doing nothing , doesnt work

[vjrei]

Well, I am agree with Neo Teo on that one, but again: What if the Mods are a bunch loosers VJs wannabe viedo geeks? a bunch of no bodys who are satisfaying their lame ego feeling important because "the manage an forum"?

It can be a mod, it can be a particular, it can be your brother that lives in your hose or mine or the president of your country.

It is a matter of behaving and that is a personal issue, how we are perceived in the eyes of others is our problem.

I do think moods in this community has a very lame criteria dealing with flamewars. I mean, VJForums is the most conflictive place I have been.

No mood EVER has send me a PM asking me to keep it cool.

It is obvious that we have to set the standarts ourselves of what we want this vj community to be.

I invite you to joing www.macrumors.com and learn how a productive community is driven.

This issue is not new and I have been here for 4 years already.

[charlielangridge]

Neo, you seem to thrive on being both offensive and infuriatingly stupid - in your time you've annoyed more people than any picture could do! Stop whinging, if you're not happy, there's a magic button on the front of your computer that turns it off - give it a try some time and do us all a favour.

Oh and as for the mac / pc thing you seem insistant on bringing up, there's an old saying
"It's not what you've got, it's what you do with it"
- why not stop bitching about how somebody is using mac, and do some video with whatever tool you have.

(PS, careful not to get to wrapped up in the internet, you might stay up posting moans past your bedtime, then you''ll be all grumpy for school tomorow)

[Pesh]

Originally posted by neoteo
calling mac users stupid people it is less agressive then posting a person injecting or drunk in the toilet ... YES !

as a mac user i feel far more offended by you calling me a stupid person than by the pics in your thread :D

[elbows]

But if there was strong modertion then both of you would have had posts deleted by now on many occasions.

It seems to me that you are just saying that you know better how to moderate than the current mods, yet you cannot even moderate your own posts let alone anybody elses.

For example any forum with strong moderation does not allow people to start attacking the moderators when they dont agree with them. Both of you are persistent moaners about how this place is run, troublemakers, trolls, whose productive posts are far outnumbered by the posts which attack other human beings. You want me to do something about that?

By and large the moderators are extremely productive VJs who do not need to reinforce their ego's by moderating here. If anybody is the exception it is me, I dont VJ. However I rarely moderate, I am vocal and I have ended up looking after the server. One of the few modertions I ever did was jusst the other day when I removed someone who was only here to rant about audiovisualizerss and went over the line by using threatening language that can cause legal problems.

Perhaps you should setup your own forum and show us how things should be done. I would never claim this place is perfect and I moaned just the other day about the vibe. All the same Id have to have my brain tested if I thought you two were part of the solution rather than part of the problem.

[elbows]

Well perhaps I was a bit harsh, you could be part of the solution.

Give me some detail on what exactly you are asking for, and how it would work.

Moderation is a balance between two extremes; if we moderate too severely then people are afraid to speak or think we are fascists etc. if we dont moderate at all then sometimes undesirable consequences will result from certain posts.

Up till now moderators have clearly tried to avoid being heavyhanded, spam and posting the same thing in multiple forums has been the stuff that has been actively policed.

Just how do we even think about moderating issues where something someone posted offended someone else? Peoples sensibilities vary, what offends you may not offend me. No one individual should ever expect all moderating decisions to match their own personal views. I doubt that any moderator see's this place operating in exactly the way they would like it to be if they were in charge, because it is a balancing act, they do not act impulsively and only listen to themselves, they have to take into account other peoples views, and the established way of doing things here.

So tell me what rule would satisfy you. Moderators make decisions by following guidelines, what guideline would cause us to remove the pictures which offended Neoteo? If you cannot clearly come up with an answer as to what you are asking for, then it is safe to assume that its because you just want the moderators to do what you want, which in this case would have to involve shocking double-standards considering your lack of remorse for your own posts that cause other people offense.

[hamageddon]

Originally posted by neoteo
well , its obvius why this forum is going down day by day ...

mac users plus people with no sence ... if there is diference in those



http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/NewSite/LAGNIAPPE/SusiesCorner/SCARECROW.JPG

[sketchyj]

steve job's secret weapon
http://tinypic.com/hup24y.jpg

[neoteo]

elbows you forced me to bring the monkey mac user vs expert genius pc master thing ... i havent post anything about for ages

really , i dont care , i lost hope on this forum long time ago , im just posting becose i have nothing to do ...

this is your forum , im not even a vj

do what ever you want with it ..

the only way i could care is , if i was a mod ... since im not

enjoy your shity forum , i hope you are happy with it

PS : man ... if you cant mod a forum , why are you a mod ???

sence of what is insulting is what it takes to be a mod

for me its simple

the clown is ok

the guy shiting and injecting is not

[PilotX]

yeah well neo if that's how you feel why are you still here? why not go and setup your own forum that you can mod?
personally I am a windows user and find it more offensive oyu calling all mac users stupid then someone posting the pictures that were posted.. but everyone has their own feelings.. finding a moderating line is not easy when you wish to accomodate the views of so many people.. almost inevitably it becomes a choice between almost totally liberality or very heavy moderating.. both of these have their advantages and drawbacks.. personally I prefer a liberal moderating style - especially on a focused forum like this.. general interest forums that are unmoderated do not work.. but the best imo are loosely moderated (rei if this is the most flammable place you've been to then i'm surprised, but perhaps you are only looking at it against specialist forums..).
although it makes somewhere more flammable, it also makes it much more open.. a rockier but overall better place.

[neoteo]

if everyone is happy , then good ... thats why i made a pool

i might start posting pictures instead of using words ...

looks like its less ofencive ... witch i found even more odd in a image related forum ...

from the planet im from , images can say more then a 1000 words ...

about other forums ... i read and right in about 10 forums ..

no other forum would let such images stay public

becose not everyone that reads is 30 years old or goes to trance festivals ...

[asterix]

Sorry boys - NEO is right.
This is from your own terms of service:

Abuse. It is not allowed to post anything which is knowingly false and/or defamatory, inaccurate, excessively abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane, threatening or invasive of a person's privacy.

Personal attacks. Don't attack others in any way. Challenge others' points of view and opinions, but do so respectfully and thoughtfully without insults and personal attacks.

Now Im no art critic. But I would say that pic characterises many of those issues, and being the person it is aimed at I would be pretty pissed to.

A Mac PC discussion is nowhere near as personal as this.

Sure - don't run around brooming up every spec of dust. But this is a big steaming terd sitting right in the hallway. This ain't about censorship.

P.S. how much copyrighted material do you think is contained in that pic?

[asterix]

Can I just add - you mods are doing a great job, and I owe you many thanks for giving me happyness vjf gives me.

IMHO I believe that the problems that this forums has faced will take a sharp turn should there be a more flame 'settling' so to speak, and coming from the higher ranks. Peoples personal critisisms can get way out of hand way out of hand, and way too personal. Everyone in this forum needs to look down on that more. Including myself.

Another excerpt from the TOS:
We expect members to behave with courtesy, maturity and respect, no matter what their opinion is.

[vjMediUm]

why not change this forum to egocentral.........will fit better. :sad:

[hamageddon]

allright, some ppl round here are not satisfied with the long leash method
the mods use to handle the forums.

sure, we could follow the TOS word for word, eliminate every dissident
and create more lovely threads like the fascist state one, but no worries we'll sure find something in there worth eliminating that too. that'll be the day. brave new world.

as long as the majority of vjforums-users
are with us, right now 22 nay vs. 3 yay,
i see no reason why the mods shouldn't
continue handling the vjforums the way they did before.

[sleepytom]

i quit

i'm actually really close to deleting all my posts at this point in time.

i'm fed up with the lowlevel of debate and amount of stupid arguments for the sake of arguing.

where are the discussions of ideas? of concept? of art? the only threads that have come close to this in recent months have been full of personal attacks and nonsence that have left me feeling depresed and pissed off. this is not a moderation issue - its an attitude issue with everyone here. calling for the police to come and sort it out is utter nonsence. take responcibility for your own actions and learn how to discuss with people rather than arguing and attacking people who hold a diferent view point

what is the point of VJforums? is it a idiots guide to how to make your laptop work? is it a playground for unemployed bored kids to post links to thier DJ friends and then winge on when people don't want to play with them? is it just a place to put your free adverts to sell your lowres loops?

as it goes nobody here can even suggest a basic way to make VJforums sustainable, this would need to cover the costs of maintaing the server including hosting costs and technical support costs. nobody has contributed any real ideas to this situation since exhale left months ago. in reality its a big project to set up an organisation with a bank account and some staff to maintain the organisation as well as the technical side of the the forums and VJCentral. i certainly cannot commit myself to sucha project given that the signal to noise ratio here is so poor - hell even avituk is somewhat doomed at the moment and frankly i'd rather commit to that than to sustaining an online playground for idiots here.

the reality of the situation currently is that VJforums and central will probably simply disappear sometime early next year - the people currently running the site are tired and need to move on and nobody seems capable of stepping up to the plate.

i'd suggest that people who are bothered about this do something about it now. nobody is going to do it for you....

[vjMediUm]

good point sleepytom :yep:

[asterix]

Well I certainly hope that that isn't the case Tom.

Personally there is far more good stuff here to outweight the nigglies but then again Im not glued to this project like you are.

VJF has grown into a portal that sustains a massive turnover and a subscriber base that is the biggest I've ever seen - considering how consistantly active the majority of members are.

I've thrown some ideas around here before about where to take VJF and how to sustain it - I think at the time that elbows left. And so did quite a few others. More than happy to help out some more if that is what is required (just say the word).

You're right this is an attitude issue for everyone here but it has to be 'bred' into the culture from the elite - and in particular the moderators.

If the burden on you guys is getting wearisome then please sing out - theres' an army out there waiting for you.

[DrEskaton]

lots of people offered to help out last time sleepy, both with server space and time...

the way the conversation ended when exhale left I had the impression that nothing was immediately needed.

if urgent action needs to be taken why not start another thread?

if the current people running vjcentral make clear specifically what needs to be done then I'm sure some people will try to help.

maybe the problem was last time the admins didn't make clear specifically what was needed.

I and others find vjcentral a useful forum for technical and artistic ideas, I'll help if it's needed.

[asterix]

Originally posted by hamageddon
sure, we could follow the TOS word for word, eliminate every dissident
and create more lovely threads like the fascist state one,

Thats not what I said hama. The minor stuff forget it you'll be spending all day. But whats the point of a TOS if it has no real bearing on its constituents. Thats where the problem lies. Every community/system requires basic rules. Ever seen lord of the flies?

[littlecatalyst]

SKETCHY!!!!!! i love you man, but please
STOP POSTING FILES THAT ARE SO FUCKING HUGE
THAT THEY FUCK UP THE LAYIOUT AND MAKE IT
IMPOSSIBLE TO READ ANYONE ELSES COMMENTS.

DO YOU NOT HAVE PHOTOSHOP? RESIZE!!

PLEASE, ITS FUCKING
ANNOYING,

[neoteo]

Originally posted by sleepytom


is it a playground for unemployed bored kids to post links to thier DJ friends and then winge on when people don't want to play with them?

i have a job , i make 950 euros a month

im 30 years old

i stop posting on this forum long time ago

dont come and say , im the problem ... i made a thread ... and there goes some completely usefull pictures ... what for ? who was bored ? and had nothing to do ? how many usefull posts on that thread ? most of it is trash

i did think of doing nothing ... but those pictures are just too much

if the mods dont want to lose energy deleting posts and explaining why they did it . then why are they mods ?

being a good VJ as nothing to do with being a good forum mod , that is something you have to learn.

i respect everyone on this forum , even mac users .. i say they are dumbs , becose macs are expencive for the performance they give , this was what i said all the times , i never said their work sucs becose they use macs ...

really if you want to make this a flames free forum, find active mods ... if people cry about fashims , well too bad ... its not a free world ... there must be some rules or we become animals.

[devonmiles]

huhu neo, we are from clubland and thats where the fucked up people are. I have seen world famous djs lying in their own piss backstage, another one snorted more coke between two sets than your monthly wage. I toured with a band that ended up on heroin, they split when the lead singer was imprisoned. I have seen two djs setting a table on fire while doing freebase and just staring at the flames growing bigger.
I have seen things in clubland much worse than these pics. btw , even my grandma would have realized that the pic is a fake and noones gone injecting anything with a syringe like this. its from a series of photos I took with a friend of mine ( which is not a dj but a writer, hoho) for a set about ghetto kids, drug abuser, being homeless. so its more a piece of art than an offence. of course its an offence too, because it displays social reality right surounding you. open your eyes, man, what do you know about your dj friends? dont tell me, they havent taken drugs at any time in their career.

[hamageddon]

Originally posted by asterix
Thats not what I said hama. The minor stuff forget it you'll be spending all day. But whats the point of a TOS if it has no real bearing on its constituents. Thats where the problem lies. Every community/system requires basic rules. Ever seen lord of the flies?

so where's the need to act in this
case?
was there a personal insult on neoteo?

IMHO no.

nobody called him a drug addict, maybe these pictures had hurt his sense for aesthetics but i had a good laugh here.
and if he had called the Thread
"DJ appreciation" none of this would have happend.

not to mention that neoteo has quite a history here, and he wouldn't be around anymore if we had taken the TOS literally.

[sketchyj]

sorry about the pic I posted.....
is this size better?
http://tinypic.com/hvnos5.jpg

[littlecatalyst]

yes and thankyou! We've all done it once or twice but as you can see, now we can see the whole pic. isn't that nice?

thanks for listening & acting sketcher... keep up the great work!

[asterix]

Elbows that certainly rings true. Finding a trustworthy and workable system is never going to be easy.

I'd suggest you create a Not for Profit association. Basically all you need is a company (NF?P) bank account, form a board, and to hold meetings regularly (monthly to three monthly) and have them documented (use the forums).

Figure out the political scale as a normal NFP organisation. A chairman, a financial, and then a committee. Its not the worlds most flawless system but it works (same as any political denomination).

I'll see if I can hunt down a constitution.

[asterix]

BTW - NFP advantages are:

- Tax breaks and grant support available.
- People jump at the chance to support a NFP in all kinds of ways.
- NFP means who the hells going to sew your arse for someones silly post? If they do, shut down the organisation and reopen a new one. Can't do that as an individual.
- Plus it ensures people are always doing things for the right reasons. Sure it may take longer to get things done occasionally but thats life.

[elbows]

Cheers yes, some people here have experience of that stuff because avituk did a similar thing.

It really comes down to finding people willing to do that stuff, it takes quite a lot of time and mental energy.

A completely different alternative, one which may be hugely unpopular, is that someone such as myself sets up a company and runs this place is a semi-commercial way. I may waffle about this another day or later on, just to see how unpopular such a thing would be. In the strange event that it wasnt unpopular, I suppose Id be up for it, but it would mark the beginnings of rather a different era.

I suppose I could use the idea as a sort of threat to ensure people sieze the initiative and actually do something on these issues. eg if nobody sorts out an alternative within a reasonable amount of time, the above is what would happen as its better than no future at all.

Dont take this too seriously, Im just trying to throw all the options into the debate. You wont wake up tomorrow and find out Ive gone mad and taken over lol. Well probably not ;)

[neoteo]

http://216.224.114.122/~neoteo/yourbrain.jpg

thank you for telling me i dont have a chance here ...

[KillingFrenzy]

Just to play devil's advocate here, and to make sure I'm not guilty of jumping down Neo's throat based on past crankiness, I went back and looked over the initial incident.

I do think, as a moderator, Elbow's original post could have been a little more understanding. Obviously, Elbow's level of patience has been ground down. Still, good cops can stand a barricade for hours of swearing by angry protestors. Bad cops, don't.

Given the number of folks on the forums that don't speak english as a first language, there are a lot of confusing and ill-defined posts. Neo's original DJ post is a bit confusing, but isn't nearly as cryptic or weird as some other stuff I've seen. Instead of asking him to define his topic, people jumped all over it.

So, as easy as it is to find his request for moderation a bit annoying, considering his past habits, it really is a more even-handed approach to reply in a less inflammatory manner.

To broaden that a bit, it is in the better interest of anybody that enters the realm of moderating, or trying to get something moderated, to put on their best businesslike manners. When matters turn official, just imagine you've physically stepped into a courtroom.

[elbows]

I do not believe it is realistic for moderators to act as if they have stepped into a court room.

Certainly my post was less than patient or diplomatic, I was exceedingly annoyed by what neo asked for and the way he asked it, considering his history. All of my patience these days is directed at resisting the temptation to abuse the power I have by, for example, deleting trolls.

See one of the reasons I dont want to be one of the regular moderators on any of the forums here, is because I like to post my opinion on things in the manner of my choosing. I can be diplomatic sometimes, but not at all times, thats for sure.

I would certainly say that I did not help the situation, but I dont feel particular to blame for the way things went, Im fairly sure it would have been much the same even if I had said nothing on that thread.

If people want a different style of moderation then it needs discussing in more depth. It wont be that easy because peoples defenses will go up if they think they are being criticised, mine certainly have, but that shouldnt stop people raising the issue. Its easy to cure the problem if its just a case of me being crap, I wont do it anymore, but I doubt its only me that lets their lack of cool show through during moderating duty sometimes.

[elbows]

Originally posted by neoteo
[
thank you for telling me i dont have a chance here ...

Thats not really whats been said.

What is true and couldnt be changed by me even if I wanted to, is stuff like:

Personal history. Humans judge eachother and form opinions on eachother all the time. Anybody can develop a reputation for things, its a consequence of saying anything, good or bad. Im sure Ive said and done things that make me unloved by some, well thats life, I cant undo such history, whats done is done. Its all just a natural consequence of our actions.

There are ways of asking for things and wording things that will cause people to give you more of a chance, sure its not easy and I go wrong all the time, but try taking some reponsibility for the way you are treated, accept that the words you use can be part of the problem. You can also be part of the solution to your own perception of being treated unfairly. Maybe you are being treated 40% unfairly and 60% fairly considering the attitudes you express in your posts. You can do something about the 60% by acting in a way that doesnt make people want to have a go at you, and in time the other 40% will take care of itself.

And finally it has to be said that you decided to raise this issue in the form of a poll, and so far what you want is losing in the poll. You cant blame that on the moderators or say that they are out of touch on this issue, unless you can get more support.

[disassembler]

Originally posted by neoteo
http://216.224.114.122/~neoteo/yourbrain.jpg



That's a beautiful photo!!!

Imagine it animated.

[ToxicOrange]

Whoops? Offtopic?

Neo, I think (imho) that as a 30yr old, mature, employed individual your a little quick off the mark to lower the tone of a thread with foul language. If I was a unrulely 14 year old who spoke as out of turn as you have in recent posts i'd have got a slap from my parents and learnt my lesson but no, now please note that this is no way a threat, no not at all. But at 30 if you have children what would your reaction be to language like that in public?

I know I ain't going to make any friends with this post, but it is free speech and it's without cursing. Now maybe I am being harsh, but your response to the "offending" posts is to me, *king funny in itself!

If the forum is attracting a younger group of PC literate kiddies, then why can't we act as the responsible adults most of us are and drop the swearing!?

Just my 2 pence worth. VJForums is a helpful, useful and informative site and should remain so, the mods do a good job, it's open to all I for one am glad I became part of the community and got into VJing.

Cheers to all.



Tony

[neoteo]

my main language is not english ... i would like to see " elbows " participate in a portuguese forum ...

i have deleted my articles from vjcentral ...

i spent about 10 minutes trying to delete my acount and posts .. but sadly its not possible.

this may be my last post , dont expect much more from me .

im not sad , or complaing ... my feelings at this moment are , racism ... i hate english man.

[RayV]

this may be my last post

Neo, you said that before. & than came back again
There's no room here for racism on our board, so while you are at it, think twice.
i can honestly tell you that people were incredibly patient with you, & those threats of leaving the forum reached a point were I personally don't get it no more.
you might not see that other ppl have a valid contribution to our community & to it's development while you were mainly ranting on the forums.
IMHO you are way over reacting, though it's your call.
take care

[neoteo]

thats why this time i have deleted the only good thing i did to this forums , my articles ...

if there was an option to delete my acount and posts ... you can be sure i would do it

i dont have any hope on this forum anymore . i was flamed .. and the mods gave reason to the flamers ... its over

[KillingFrenzy]

Just for the record, while I might have been critical of Elbow's quick-tongued reaction to a Neoteo post, I do not in any way believe he was considering race in his comments.
I can see where my post jumps from criticizing Elbow's, to what I meant to be a more general criticism of the community for jumping on Neoteo's minimally defined topic.
Since I feel responsible for initiating a direction that took Neoteo to where he's implying Elbows is a racist, I vehemently did not mean to imply anything of that sort. While we all hit social stumbling blocks due to nationality, race, language and various other differences between us, I have never had cause to think that Elbows has been anything but extremely perceptive and accomodating of such issues. I post this as an affidavit to Elbow's character, and an indictment of Neoteo for choosing an ugly out.
I was trying to open a door to better communication with my post, but I see that it would be in everyone's best interest for Neoteo to be outside that door and shut it.
My apologies to Elbows for whatever grief I put him through.

[ToxicOrange]

Maybe locking of this thread could be a consideration?

[elbows]

Dont worry KilingFrenzy I dont think anything you said lead down the path to me being called racist. In fact Im not even sure thatts what neo was saying, he might have been refering to his own apparent hatred of the white man as a racist thought.

I sympathise with anybody trying to communicate in a language that is not their first language. However I would point out that vjforums/vjcentral was started by someone whose first language was not English.

Frankly its a joke to expect anybody here to be able to solve these problems. Its an English Language forum, I cant host a forum in a different language because Id have no idea if any posters broke the law, Id be unable to fulfil my legal responsibility for keeping to the TOS of the server.

Nobod here mde the world the way it is today, was responsible for the empires of the past, the injustices and barriers caused by language differences.

I would not post on a Portugese forum because I cannot speak a word of it, and would not be so irresponsible as to try to comminute with people without having a fair idea of what was being said.

One shred of a sense of self-responsibility from neo would be enough to change my opinion of him, but it never happens, nothing is ever his fault. You reap what you sow, I could plant a beautiful tree but it wont make no difference if you are still planting turds.

[dongbamage]

this is thread is officially lame :help:

[neoteo]

i never said elbows is racist

the problem is , i try my best with the english i have , and everytime is good for a joke ...

what what elbows said was that becose of my bad language he gives the flamers a reason to flame every thread i make or post that is not correct in the perfect english ... what mods could do to help me , would be change my posts or threads , since we cant becose of the 30 min cap ... put it in a shakespear english so that all the non inteligent , joke makers could hold their jokes.

what made me a racist was the fact that my bad english is a reason for me being a joke ...

i say " my friend is a dj " what the fuck is so funny about that ???

ass holes

fuck off .. and please delete my fucking acount ... im tired

[vjMediUm]

anybody ever heard about mercury retrograde?

"For one thing, Mercury will be retrograde by this time of the month and Mercury will scramble information."
"Let's talk a bit about Mercury retrograde. For those not familiar with this aspect, it occurs three or four times a year for three-and-a-half-weeks. Mercury rules thinking, judgment, commerce, and negotiating, as well as facts and figures - all the things we need to make an objective decision. When Mercury retrogrades, it is a sign that a situation is in flux, and that a situation is about to change dramatically. If you sign a contract, or make a decision on an offer, it is likely to be the wrong decision, because it was based on the wrong information" This month Mercury will be retrograde from November 14 to December 3.
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[sleepytom]

neo you didn't attempt to tell anyone what the thread was for you just posted "My friend is a DJ" as the title and a link as the only content in your post.

this has nothing to do with your lack of english language skills - i actually think your english is pretty good compared to a lot of people who post here.

i'm not able to delete your account here - you can stop posting though if thats what you want to do.

i'm locking this thread because its going round in circles and not helping anybody.