Mix video with your mind!!!

[jansi]

http://www.ibva.com
brain waves to midi and max
they also provide a director xtra for their hardware
Any psi vj's out there?

[MoRpH]

What I think would be more interesting is giving someone some VR goggles with the video output in stereo and then having their brain wired to generated the video, therefore causing a REALLY twisted BRAIN/MACHINE feedback loop...........

Also if I recall correctly BT used a bit of this sort of technology for creating audio, when it was a hot a few years back.

[LEVLHED]

yep, I recall reading a BT article not so long ago when he was using biofeedback to track the way he felt while listening/composing his music in order to better manipulate minds?

[Anyone]

I haven't got enough braincells left for this to work on me ! :p

No seriously, I tried something like that a few years back,
a guy in montreal was doing a bio feed back exhibition,
in which you could wear a headband like and visualize
the result on a screen in front of you...

but I couldnt see any clear difference on the screen
between times when I was thinking of
sex, violence, sleep, my mother, being on a stage, or eating sushi.
just random waves...

How is this different?

Ne1

[stimuleye]

Originally posted by Anyone


How is this different?



In theory, you should be able to measure the Alpha, Beta and Theta waves, set thresholds, and trigger different clips, frames or change framerates. I'm hoping to look into this in the near future.

[MoRpH]

Anyone, I think the thing is here mate that we aren't measuring the right things in the brain yet to generate the right sort of imagery, I mean when they actually get MENTAL IMAGE RECORDERS... let me know :) I have HOURS of material jsut waiting to go :p

[eXhale]

could be interesting if it produces meaningful results, let us know about it stimuleye. i feel that the applications for live vjing would be limited though, as it is the output of a single brain. however if a similar tool could measure the alpha, beta and theta of a whole crowd, then it would get really interesting :D

as for mental images recorders, i think that it will be a long time until machines do this better than ourselves :)

[stimuleye]

I'm not looking at it specifically as a VJ tool, but being able to control / influence multimedia with brain waves. I'm just looking at avenues of research at the moment.
Tom

[jansi]

ya , it isn't really interesting as a vj tool for now , but i think it's great for interactive instalations , VR and that kind of stuff
i would love to get my hands on one , really

I wonder how much trainning do you need to actually control something with it?

I've found it on their website:
some japanese artist connected the shit to a plant and made it pick stocks on the stock market (and it actually made money!!)

[LEVLHED]

that means nothing...a while back some researchers had a monkey do the same thing....guess what? its "portfolio" consistently made money.

[eXhale]

Originally posted by jansi
some japanese artist connected the shit to a plant and made it pick stocks on the stock market (and it actually made money!!)
hahaha this is the most hilarious thing i've ever read :D

[LarryLightshow]

heres a link to a recent article in the NY Times about biofeedback controlled video games-

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/16/technology/circuits/16laxx.html?8cir

[bluntfaktory]

we tried doing mind control visuals using 28 feet of rolled up tin foil and a toilet plunger stuck to my forehead but all we keep getting was hard core porno ! :evil:

[krokodril]

converting brain waves to binary code would almost always render
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000
0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000 0000

[holly]

12:58_13_October_03
_NewScientist.com news service
full article (http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994262)
Monkeys can control a robot arm as naturally as their own limbs using only brain signals, a pioneering experiment has shown. The macaque monkeys could reach and grasp with the same precision as their own hand.

"It's just as if they have a representation of a third arm," says project leader Miguel Nicolelis, at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina. Experts believe the experiment's success bodes well for future devices for humans that are controlled solely by thought.

One such type of device is a neurally-controlled prosthetic - a brain-controlled false limb. Nicolelis says his team's work is important because it has shown that prosthetics can only deliver precision movements if multiple parts of the brain are monitored and visual feedback is provided.

Gerald Loeb, a biomedical engineer at the University of Southern California in Los Angeles, says the new experiment already has some parallels in everyday life. For example, he says, when you drive a car it becomes an extension of your body.

But Nicolelis says the monkeys appeared to be treating the robot arm as their limb, not an extension. "The properties of the robot were being assimilated as if they were a property of the animal's own body."
The article is worth reading just for the .SWF animation (http://news.mc.duke.edu/filebank/2003/10/41/Robot_arm.swf)

[neoteo]

i dont know if i can believe i this

but if its true , lovely ... give that brain waves joy stik , i want it ...

we all been waiting for these ...

the controler and the dream recorder ...

:alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien: :alien:

playing FPS lying in bed ... yes the future is here

[eXhale]

Wired article on monkeys playing computer games with their mind:

http://wired.com/news/medtech/0,1286,60803,00.html

How crazy must it get? :eek:

[BerzalonFlange]

this made me think of this book i have been casually reading the last week.... Nikola Tesla Returns by Robert R. Leichtman, M.D.

at this part of the book Tesla is being interviewed by this guy Johnson.

Johnson:I have a question which may sound silly, but i've always wondered if it would be possible for someone to develop a device that would actually photograph the thinking of another person.
Tesla: Of course.
Johnson: Is this something we will see in our lifetime?
Tesla: Of course. I'm surprised someone hasnt done it already. Its utterly simple.
Johnson: I thought it might be something like the use of computers to rotate the diagram of an object three dimensionally.
Tesla: it will probably take advatage of the device called the image intensifier. It's used in television.


ok you electrical genius's. lets get to work on this.

[eXhale]

tricky subject, not everyone think in pictures. dreams and trances would probably be "easier" to capture but not everyone has vivid images in these states. i know my dreams involve more emotions than visions. maybe mr. tesla was a bit optimistic, although i've read his technology was used in telepathic experiments.

[gestalt]

about the site http://www.ibva.com, i'm unable to find the price and contact page, can someone post link that point directly to it.
thanks
gestalt

[xangadix]

actually, I think the ibva website is a hoax judging by the quality of the logo, design and photoshopped pictures.

Still some interesting reading here in this threat on the subject )

[WordVirus23]

http://www.theregister.com/2004/12/07/rat_brain_flies_jet/

I don't know what's not to believe... they've had some blind guy hooked up with a 4x4 visual grid/eye since 1978

..james...

[littlecatalyst]

word.... rats! all i can say is i dont know if i have the heart (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4091497.stm) for this stuff..... its getting a little creepy.....


speaking of creepy and viewing your mind... hwo about by remote? its pretty hard to enter the TimeDomain.com site these days (you have to way back machine (http://web.archive.org/web/20031205053452/www.timedomain.com/about/indexn.htm) your way into the site.... but from what i can see and read in reviews (http://www.fortunecity.com/rivendell/hobgoblin/813/workspace3/PulsON.html) ths tech seems to be able to read that stuff, procide video and even do it is you are in the middle of a crowded baseball game.... picking those threats to security and locking in..... this shit has got to be hacked!


99edited to add: must be my bad connection and paranioa because http://www.timedomain.com does seem to be up & running... watch out and whatch what youre thinking!!!

[devonmiles]

what leaves me me unsatisfied with it at whole is that it record only potentials and not images of thoughts itself. to know from which region this potentials originates doesnt mean we know what someone thinks of.
if its from the limbic system its probably something pleasant, if its from amigdala then its probably stressy or scary. its from the three main regions together its almost music related.
intrinsic thinking of his rebelle might raise the same potential as me thinking of a big reefer or someone else thinking of his girlfriend.
it should be easy to hook it to resolumes effects parameter value with a midi interface but then its just another extension of your body that frees your hands from keyboard and mouse. and I dont think its useful in a club environment, because a beer or a joint might rapidly decrease your ability to proper feedback.

by the way, it seem to have just two pick ups??? how will they determine from which region the brainwaves come? usually you have to wear a medusas head of elektrodes.
brain potentials are dolby surround 7.1 (or higher) and not stereo.
maybe brainwaves are just the noise of thinking, like the noise a blind guy listens to from his environment to be able to navigate and remember his way, but he will never be able to tell how a daffodil looks like or a picasso.

[spaceman]

I just hoocked up a little wireless camera to my dogs collar.
Does that count as biofeeback...?

http://uvstudios.net/dogcam.jpg

[3YE]

I've had a good look around, and finally found a site with some info, though it was still scarce:

psychiclub (http://www.psychiclub.com/)

although be warned, it's $1300 for a basic 1 channel setup, and $2300 for a matching pair! and something called 'coherence' is only available to mac users (...gnnnn... not the place... calm down matt...)

so to register my displeasure i sent the following email to the only address i could find:

dear masahiro,

could you please forward the following email to the people at IBVA, as i have tried other options without success and after extensive googling could only find your link on www.psychiclub.com . thank you for your time and patience.

Matt


---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Matt Pinder <gingamatt@gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2004 15:12:45 +0000
Subject: how do i get one?
To: enquiries@ibva.com


hello? am i even in the right place?

i am very interested in purchasing an IBVA system for my club visuals
company, but, and i think this is something you guys should be aware
of, there is no contact or pricing info on your site!!

so what's the deal? is guessing your email address some form of IQ
test to be sure the IBVA will work on a client? or have you all spent
so long fiddling with other peoples brainwaves that your own have
flatlined?

I'm no economic genius, but to be totally articulate:

nobody became a millionaire by hiding thier light under a bushel

you whine a lot on your FAQ page about how little exposure you get but
really, the internet is here now, there's no excuse not to lay it all
on the table and start raking in the gold, do you get me?

sorry to flame you guys so outrageously, but really, no contact info?
homer simpson would be proud.

so who do i make the cheque out to, where do i send it and who do i
ring if it arrives broken?

ooh! i found a link! but even the contact links offered there are broken!

over a $1000 dollars! is that what it really costs to produce?
now that just scares people off! have you not heard of 'moore's law'? or economies of scale? subcontracting? after 30 years at it surely most parts are generic by now. 200 units at a $200 advertised on geekzone.com or macmusic.com each is surely more profitable than trying to sell 20 units at a $1000 each on a website with no contact info? i really believe you could make a fortune with this, but your just not thinking big/strategically enough. what's your business model? to have a $10 playstation add-on in every home by 2010 or to have the interest of a handful of obscure artists for evermore?

computing is becoming ever more powerful and ubiquitous. so why are the brain guys being left behind?

again

in eager anticipation...

Matt

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and that's all i have to say about that

edit:

no it's not, the mail delivery failed, no address. i'm going to assume that the IBVA is a) a bad joke (bonsai kitten was funnier) or b) an incredibly clever thing made by people with no common sense :rolleyes:

and no, i haven't even gotten out of bed today, let alone on the wrong side. (note to self - whole 500ml tubs of ben and jerry's may cause mood alteration...)

matt

[dontregister]

Hi everybody,

I've just quickly read the thread and i remember a german friend of mine who had worked on a similar installation a few years ago.

You can find information about it, there :
http://www.bios.x-i.net/

A pure EEG-Visual FeedBack !

Cheers,

DR.

[littlecatalyst]

maybe these guys (http://www.cyberkineticsinc.com/) can help

[YYVisionary]

BOO krishna

[balther]

Thanks for the link I haven?t seen this on.
I have experimented with this stuff controlling 2 & 3D objects and I see it as one of the elements to make a computer aware of what?s going on in its environment. Connected to an artificial intelligent this will be a powerful tool for interactive feedback.
See article:
Visions and the Future (http://www.vjcentral.com/articles/view/id/visions_and_the_future_by_balther)
Balther
http://balther.dk/logo.jpg
http://www.balther.dk