vj-contest 03

[noDJ]

international vjs listen up!
---call for entries---
500? pricemoney are waiting for u !!!
---call for entries---
for the second time we are inviting all vjs worldwide to send in their ~30 min. live demotape. 6 of the world best vjs will be chosen to perform live at the 13. international bochumer videofestival.
pre-mid-and afterparties with live djs/vjs next to an intern. selection of videofilms (well, that's the main part, really...)
from the 15.05. - 17.05.03 in bochum/germany.
contact me, noDJ at: fett_kebap@hotmail.com or visit our website at www.videofestival.org

[hamageddon]

seems ur a bit ahead of ur time, ur link is not working yet ;)

[AudioVisualizers]

Do you mind if I contribute some prize money or other physical goods as prizes for the festival? Please pm me to make arrangements.

[noDJ]

sorry, guys, the festival-web-page is comming along, give it some time...but if u have any questions, feel free to contact me at fett_kebap@hotmail.com.
there's nothing to loose, exept a vhs-demo tape of yours...

noDJ

[noDJ]

1.
fair dues, scepticisme might not be a bad idea, but how would
you judge all the entries that we get if not by viewing the material? how can we, the "internationales bochumer videofestival"-crew, decide on a vj, if they don't send any tapes?
2.
if u guys are so afraid of getting ripped of why don't u put a big logo of your's in one of the corners of the screen and brand it that way...
3.
there is a web-page, but i must appologise, it's written in german. it's not the updated version, sorry again, but it tells u under "vj wettbewerb" which vjs did perform last year and if u wait until the beginning of this weak, magicaly a new version should appear...(fingers crossed)
4.
thank you for not waisting your time...

p.engelbracht (noDJ)

[BrainStove]

Hehehe, not to add fuel to the fire, but of course send me your entries to me too, I just will use VirtualDub LogoAway plugin to make up and improve a little bit more your entry videotape... :D

[Anyone]

Hey mr. noDJ,

dont worry, these comments do not represent the whole community's opinion...

Ne1

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by *****
I reckon would be more toruble than its worth :p

More trouble thans its worth, hahahaha content can't be much chop then :p

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by Anyone
Hey mr. noDJ,

dont worry, these comments do not represent the whole community's opinion...

Ne1

Actually anyone I think you might be wrong there mate MOST ppl are VERY sceptical (especially is reasonably successful in their own area) about there content getting ripped off or used without permission else where.

Also I have to say that a TAPE would not do justice to a lot of more PERFORMANCE based VJs work, therefore, the concept of a VJ contentest BASED on tape submissions is not a true representation of the talent out there.

[revjrbobdodds]

Actually, you know, instead of slagging these folks off online, I used the time to drop them an email requesting information. They took the time to write a detailed reply, and apologise for the website.

Whats up with all the negativity? Anyone here interested in anything other than failure, or is that just the way all of you want people to think VJs are -- bitter anti-DJs ready to destroy anyone interested in helping them out? It's all over these forums, and frankly, it's pretty juvenile.

[MoRpH]

Rev I don't think its meant to be NASTY, just a HEALTHY skepticism and as I said I really don't think you can judge for the BEST VJ (highly subjective anyway) from a tape........

[slike]

thats right murph -
i dont think that a jury is able to judge on a VJs tape ...

im interested in doin visuals at the festival but i can just deliver a promo of my work not a "mix-tape", because my mix-tapes are
1. my essentiall work
and 2. they don?t represent my hole possibilities/content

If you want to find the "best" (its only subjectiv) VJ out there you have to judge over a Live-VJ-Session ... not on a tape ...
but i think you (noDJ) like to know if there is potential on a VJ?s work.

Pls write me an PM for Details and i?ll send a promo ...
but you have to know that a promo (my) is just a short cut of my content, not on my live-possibilities ...

thx
sLike

[noDJ]

even if some of u guys are sceptical and don't trust the whole "send us your vhs-tape"-business, it's still good to get talking. it's hard enough to get the festival started as it is, so i'm quite happy, that a lot of you guys don't see everything in black/ white (thankx, rev/anyone). so far, the e-mail requests are more positive than it would seem on the forum, which fills me with enthusiasm, that we are getting somewhere...we are not forcing anyone to enter, and to speak the truth, i think that it will be much easyer without any vj-divas. the festival is not about commercial-rip off, everyone on the team is honorary, all we want is to give birth to an event that brings people together in person, not just in virtual reality.
however, if u've got any ideas or information on how to make the entry-request more fair (we can't visit every vj-show/performance, just so we can rate the vj better...), feel free to comment...

p.engelbracht

[fluchtpunkt]

Also I have to say that a TAPE would not do justice to a lot of more PERFORMANCE based VJs work, therefore, the concept of a VJ contentest BASED on tape submissions is not a true representation of the talent out there.

true but...if you read the post more closely or asked the organizers for more info personally you'd know that the contest ISN'T based on the submitted tapes. 6 vj/dj teams get to perform a 30mins live set to a jury. i can very well understand that you have to pick those 6 contestants somehow :) ... which would be what the tapes are probably for.

getting ones footage ripped is probably a concern for most of us -to some extent. but i guess (especially from these boards :D ... no offense) it's rather easy to get paranoid about the issue. watermark your stuff or distribute it with enough compression run over it to render it unusable for big screens if your so concerned. if you don't want to send demos at all - DON'T! - and live with the consequences.
...
ranting at a 'promoter' because of a small modality like watermarks in a demo is imo unprofessional, unsporting & most of all unnecessary.

...definately a lack of good vibes in this thread...

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) to all of you
...hope it helps ;)

[Anyone]

Nowadays, when I submit a tape or CD to performance contests,
what I do is also to send picts of previous performances,
so that they dont just get an idea of the content,
but also of my VJ console's and screens' layout ...

n

PS visual artists send slides to submit work in galleries. but once they get accepted for a show, they rarely exhibit slides ...

[sleepytom]

you don't hear musicans saying "i'm not sending promoters a tape of my music because they will steal it and claim it as there own" anyone who refuses to send a demo tape will not get gigs

as promoters get more into visuals they will ask for more demo tapes as they wish to choose who will do video at there events - if you don't send a tape you won't get to play as the promoter won't know if he's into your stuff

send tapes to promoters - state clearly that the tape is a demo and that it is not for public showing - put your logo on it - do a live mix tape and video yourself doing the mix with a camera, then put the camera shot as a picture in picture over your visuals - clearly showing that its a live mix and making the tape fairly useless to any other vjs. put you phone number or email address on the screen, use only the middle of the screen use your brain there are plenty of ways to make the tape useless to anyone else.

or

stay at home and moan about how nobody gets too see your art - smoke too much, get paranoid about the world, buy a machine gun and move to the countryside away from the dangers of the internet (hey just by posting here people might steal your words, quote you out of context and take your very identity from you)

FFS please remember that your not totaly original yourself - you get idea from others work that you addapt and use yourself - there is nothing wrong with this but don't be so bloody protective over "your" art unless you really don't want anybody to ever see it

[MoRpH]

Originally posted by revjrbobdodds
That's OK, Morph, the good Lord forgives us all.

Huh???? move along.......... BTW you can keep your imaginary friend to yourself, if that was some sort of joke....... pretty crap attempt mate.

[MoRpH]

Lots of great points in fluchtpunkt, tom and anyone's posts, I was just trying to make a couple of equally valid points, I actually agree with toms originality call (personally I'm not really all that protective of my content..... its all just paints on the palette to me).

Although on the LIVE mix issue, too me thats where the magic is, thats why I invite promoters to gigs, rather than do demo tapes as it gives them the chance to see the REAL deal rather than see a demo I have agonized for hours over editing or thown together the morning after a gig.

AND if the truth be known I REALLY couldn't give a fuck about VJ COMPETITIONS, actually I think a lot of so called "competitions" that rate artistic output are rather lame, IMHO its something that is to subjective to judge. You don't see DJs doing the equivalent of the sets we do (and that 30min thing would BARELY BE A WARMUP) and then having them rated for BEST DJ (thats a vote thing in some mag), So I guess I was playing devils advocate here as its NOT something I would personally choose to be a part of @ the momment *shrug* and I thought those points should be represented.

Cheers

MoRpH

[sleepytom]

Morph >your obviously not familiar with the church of the subgenius (http://www.subgenius.com/) i'm sure the good Reverend meant no offence


http://www.subgenius.com/bigfist/pics1/1-index-cat-BW/1index/TrueDobbshead-ScanFromOrig!.jpg > fuck em if they can't take a joke

[many2]

Praise BOB !

Save your life for only 30$ !

[MoRpH]

OK, no I know OF CoSG but not really into the whole thing.....

[wellREDman]

i think the point that got missed here was that the original post stated that NoDJ was given rights to use the tapes submitted
which i dont see as really neccesary if the tapes are only being gathered to judge who makes the shortlist, i had a talk with him about it in chat and wasnt really satisfied that there was any reason for him to be wanting future use of the tapes and why there was no way he could guarantee the return of the tapes and that they wouldnt be copied.
yes i am sceptical, i would be more than happy to take part in this competition but the whole "we reserve the right to use the tapes for other purposes" makes me nervous

[fluchtpunkt]

*****,
what i was trying to say:

(as vj) it's your content, it's your copyrights, it's your responsibility..., it's your business!
if you feel watermarking (...) is necessary to assure that your copyrights will be respected that's fine & reasonable. but you don't have to ask no promoter for his/her permission - you just do it. y basta
:D

[infopocalypse]

Is this tape to be NTSC or PAL? Granted I know our video format sucks but it would really be a giagantic waste of time to have NTSC/SECAM regioned VJs wondering about a contest whose entries could never be seen by someone in Germany.

Furthermore, for those of us who can't read Germany: when is this festival of which you speak? What is its purpose?

James

[Kriel]

Almost all new European VCRs read NTSC.

kriel (your American cultural representative abroad)
x

[infopocalypse]

Shame ours don't do the same for PAL.

[LEVLHED]

no shit...