Why has VJForums become a Fascist state?

[murk]

Denying the rights of members to edit or delete their own postings is fascist (http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/audio.pl?fascis02.wav=fascist). They are your words and your your ideas, VJForums should not have the right to prevent you from editing those words and ideas. This is a community run forum, and the community should have the ability to clean up its mess. We have made this site what it is, do not forget that.

[elbows]

Dont you think the word fascist has become meaningless because of its overuse by the world to apply to very mild (in the grand scheme of things) situations, doing an injustice to true victims of fascism everywhere?

I happen to agree with you in principal, and indeed the very fact that any changes in this regard have happened without my say-so is proof that this isnt a dictatorship. If it were, well Id be the dictator, and this wouldnt of happened without my say-so.

Anyway the problem is that practicalities bite.

If someone deletes a post that starts a thread, the whole thread disappears. Thats a problem.

Secondly people could make abusive posts, then change them, and we wont have any evidence to do our jobs properly in terms of protecting people from abuse, staying within the law, etc. Its happened before. And we being all the people who moderate and look after this place with no reward.

And no, I dont believe the community always solves its own messes in some glorious demonstration of perfect community action at work. I totally agree that the community makes this place what it is, but thats not to say that other lifeforms arent needed to do specific things to keep the place alive.

For example, did the community save itself and build a glorious legal vehicle to run and finance the site when Exhale decided to leave? No, I stepped in because frankly no other options were on the table at the point in time that they needed to be. No progress since then, not that Ive tried hard enough.

Im whining because Im asking you to give us a break. Theres a nice way to enquire about getting settings adjusted on the forums, and that wasnt it. Nows the time for the community to come together and build itself a better future in terms of features and stability, not take potshots at overworked people who get frankly fuck all in return for keeping this place going, except from abuse from their peers.

I tried to care about this place and do the right thing and listen and discuss and blah blah blah, and I dont even have a single positive relationship with another human being to show for it. Joy!

[syzygy]

Please don't overreact by using terms like fascist. Were VJForums a fascist state, this thread would be deleted immediately, since fascist regimes supress opposition through terror and censorship.

It is fair to say that VJForums is a dictatorship but it is not one that seeks to supress opposing points of view.

Now, to your point...

The settings for editing and deleting posts were changed to try to deal with two problems:

- There were lots of complaints about threads being completely destoyed because the thread starter deleted their initial post. This is a weakness of the forum software that we use on VJF.

- There were problems where some members were revising posts in order to distort discussions, making it impossible to arbitrate disagreements between members about those discussions.


We could not come up with another solution to these problems that would enable us to keep the delete and edit functions as they were.

We felt that the right of members not to have their words and their ideas summarily deleted by another member outweighed the right of a member to unsay something that they said in public.

In extreme cases where something really had to be removed, it can be done by a forum host or editor.

We felt that the right of members to converse in a level playing field where what was previously said could be refered to outweighed the right of a member to revise what they said previously.

When someone wants to change what they said previously, the normal course of action in real life is to say "I'm sorry, I didn't mean that, this is what I did mean". In extreme cases where something really had to be revised, it could be done by a forum host or editor.

We left the edit function available for a limited time after a post is made to allow people to correct errors or make changes if they realised they said something unwise.


Clearly you disagree with the course of action we chose. That is something we can deal with - make some suggestions and we'll talk about it.

But not while you're calling us fascists.

[murk]

Well, actually about 2 weeks ago I sent an email via the "contact us" (which strangly no longer works). The recipient was exhale. How am I supposed to know who to contact about these issues? I have no idea who runs this show. When an email of such importance goes unnoticed, I get a little steamed.

I appreciate the efforts of people in taking over the site, but you should allow some sort of discrepency based on karma levels or donation amounts or something.

It is a HUGE policy change, and you should not be surprised if old timers get steamed about this issue.

Most of the time I need to edit a post for grammatical or technical issues. And sometimes I want to edit if something is not worded clearly.

I am just glad I got someone's attention.

[elbows]

No actually I didnt expect old timers to call me a fascist, nor did I expect that wouldnt care what tactic they use to get attention.

Im a human being, I have emotions, these emotions are hurt by your attitude, and at the moment I dont give two figs how much of of an old timer you consider yourself. You could have a million posts to your name and I wouldnt say that gives you any more right to call me a fascist than if youd done so on your very first post.

Personally I dont want to see a system in place where people have more rights if they have more karma points or anything like that.

I'll look into the contact form issue, the one on vjcentral works and goes to all editors.

Its quite right to debate issues such as ability to edit and delete posts. But to do so in such demanding terms, as if vjforums is a god-given birthright, gets right on my tits. Dont treat vjforums like its a company you gave money to or a government please, its not, it survives on positive human giving and calling people fascists destroys that.

[syzygy]

You didn't need to be offensive to get our attention - just a polite post in here would have sufficed. Believe it or not, we want VJF to be the best it can be for everyone. We do listen to people's input

Messages entered in the contact us form normally end up in a special forum under the editors forum. I've just had a look in there and I can't see one from you.

What do you mean by 'strangly no longer works'? Are you implying that we have deactivated the contact us form for some sinister reasons of our own? Why would we do that?

Things go wrong sometimes, especially with a system like VJF that has no full time technical staff and is built on a system that has been modified by lots of different people with no real overarching plan. There are sensible ways to deal with that. Getting angry and lashing out at the people who are trying to keep the system running is not one of them.

I'm not going to comment on this further tonight as I want to keep a cool head.

[murk]

Actually, I called no one a fascist. Is your name VJForums? If so, I apologize, if not, the statement stands ( not that I could edit it even I wanted too).

I lashed out at no one. I wanted to call attention to a policy, not a person. I didn't even know who runs this show.

P.S. The link is http://www.vjcentral.com/contact.php it is a 404

[syzygy]

(I said I wasn't going to post again, but I need to correct one thing from murks previous post)

You said:

Denying the rights of members to edit or delete their own postings is fascist.

Someone who carries out a fascist policy is by definition a fascist. So you called all of us (VJF Editors and Hosts) fascists.

Elbows and myself at least are offended by that. I'd be suprised if some of the others aren't as well.

[murk]

Ok fine, you are both right. Let me just go and edit my post to clear up that lapse in reasoning on my part.... hmmm.... It doesn't seem to work? That's strange, it used to work?

[elbows]

Thanks for pointing out that link error, it seems the vjforums footer had not been updated when exhale upgraded vjcentral to version 2. The contact link on vjcentral was ok, and the forum one should now also point to the newer contact form.

Its severely tempting to become a forum fascist for 24 hours so you can see what it would actually be like, but it would probably cause more harm than good.

[murk]

Originally posted by elbows
Its severely tempting to become a forum fascist for 24 hours so you can see what it would actually be like, but it would probably cause more harm than good.

I would say go for it! Let people know who's in charge around here.

[Kyle]

I wonder what Exhale is doing?

<Imagine>He?s looking into his crystal ball and rubbing his palms. His master plan of total chaos in VJF-VJC has worked. Next stop the white house!</imagine>

Murk...Sorry your upset about the current state of things. As you know Exhale left and put the trust of the site with the few that he trusted (also note that he left some things unfinished-broken).

I think they are doing a fine job and will continue to do so. If you have a grip, which your entitled to then this is the place. The suggestion box. Keep it constructive and to the point. Things will improve over time. I wish I had the capability to edit my posts as well, but there are a few bad monkeys throwing shit around here ruining it for everyone else. Let?s keep cool and work things out.:yep:

*edited to add...double:yep:

[KiritanFlux]

I would say go for it! Let people know who's in charge around here.


I AM! :grrr:

[elbows]

Murk Id like you to know that you post is already doing good.

See the way this place evolved, its always been community focussed but at any moment only a fraction of the community actually makes decisions, presses buttons, ponder ovr tricky situations, give themselves a hard time, give others a hard time, try to do the right thing, try to keep the place functioning sensibly.

This place is going through a change. Personalyl I wat it to be a huge, big, positve, vibrant, feature-rich, megademocratic change, that brings clarity and joy to all concerned, from the person that never posts but only reads, to the most active contributers, hosts, moderators, editors, technical wibblatrons, personalities.

Im glad you care about how this place functions. Will you help us make things better? Not by being impatient to have editing rights restored, but by helping us in any way you can, even if it is just by continuing to post valuable stuff?

The truth of the matter is that there is no grand comittee of special people who decided to impinge on your editing rights. Things are a good deal more random than that. Sometimes things gets decided on by a majority of editors/hosts, but theres no end of more human/complicated occasions which are sponsored by the fact that whatever system we have, at some point individual humans do actual work, eg touch settings, and its their braingoop that had to decide whether they have the authority to act or not at that moment in time.

Now what this is really about is what sort of way we could have a system to discuss and decide these things, that enables everyone to have a say, but also delivery a mandate on issues to the people who actually press the buttons, so that we are democratic without being impotent.

All of this stuff is part of the imminent future of vjforums community discussion, which you have inadvertantly helped launch. Stay tuned!

[elbows]

Originally posted by murk
I would say go for it! Let people know who's in charge around here.
If you want a dictator to use an iron fist to restore democracy, and then me be able to relax by not having to make any decisions here anymore, Im yer man ;)

[elbows]

To clarifywhat I just said about dictatorshi. At the moment its not a dictatorship, in that technically I can do what I like with the server but since inheriting the power in June or July (I Forget), I havent used this power at all.

What I was suggesting, is that if you believe that the current rule by "sort-of-committee of hosts/editors but people take random decisions sometimes" system is flawed to the extent that its worse than a dictatorship, the entire community can do something to stop this state of affairs. You, and the editors and hosts themselves, can make the right noises about wanting change, this empowers me to take action, and with the help of the entire community we can totally change to a system people want that actually works.

One of the reasons I and other moderators may take offense at comparisons to dictatorships, power in general, is that there arent the usual perks of power involved lol. Maybe the person(s?) who made changes to editing settings wouldnt care about being called a fascist if it made them 10 million dollars, but all they likely got out of doing what they thought was the right thing, is poeple verbally abusing them.

Every time I ever got behind the scenes of a forum, the perhaps imagined priviliges dont exist. No comfy chairs, no fine wines reserved for inner party members. Just earache and on a good day, a sense of belonging and use in the world.

[akira_k]

Originally posted by murk
Most of the time I need to edit a post for grammatical or technical issues. And sometimes I want to edit if something is not worded clearly.
You are free to edit it as many times as you want for a period of time, which I think is quite enough for correcting wording, typos, or just changing your mind completely. Unless you post and forget about the post for three days and then say "oh, let's correct it".

If you don't use the Preview button, you can very well correct any post, and even delete it, for a sensible ammount of time after its posting.

Now, editing/deleting posts which already have a certain age? No way. It could lead to complete destruction of thread legibility. I know a couple of times it had happened that someone went and changed his words and then everything looked strange and with no sense (elbows makes an excellent example in his first reply)

In the case of threads being started, I think a normal user cannot delete a thread which already has replies in it. All vBulletin systems are like that, at least, why is it that it doesn't work here?


Message edited to add: I can edit it! :P

[xiayu]

*rolls eyes*

Considering your set at Opticlash was considered by most observers to be "too fascist" I can see why your use of the word "fasctist" here is quick and impulsive. Instead of taking a constructive path to seek change you point fingers and call people names. This is what a lot of people do in response, let's say, the Bush administration. I would certainly consider this too be closer to the definition of "fascist", and yet labeling gets me nowhere and doesn't change anything. Unlike the government of the world's largest superpower, vjforums is a community and you can seek change without calling people names, labeling, or orrganizing coops. I would suggest you spend your time in a more constructive way, as I know I should probably do as well.

-Xiayu

[BrainStove]

Hehehe... Actually Murk's the biggest/impulsive fascist around (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=8738&highlight=church)

Originally posted by murk
I appreciate the efforts of people in taking over the site, but you should allow some sort of discrepency based on karma levels or donation amounts or something. Ahhhhh, and classist too ehhhh??? Uhmmm!!! :shrug:

Most of the time I need to edit a post for grammatical or technical issues. And sometimes I want to edit if something is not worded clearly.And yeah mate, like said by Akira... you ALWAYS might type/read/correct/edit/retype/mess/remess whatevah you want in any Word Processor previously to 1.-make rushy mistaken posts, 2.-feel the need to change your mind later 3.-backstep your impulsive remarks way BEFORE to post your definitive claims/opinions... and of course I recommend you ALWAYS use the "Preview Post" (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=1838&highlight=why+the+rush) as the ultimate/utmost measure.

To the community:
Sorry I?ve been disappeared & shut up for a good chunk of time on the forums now, but I'm always snooping now and then when my current shitty situation allows me. and I also hope you all take my sincere apologies by having stopped my usual Freaken Tech Babbling for a while lately. I guess/wish you've been missing me :P

Anyway, it's simply an attempt to say HI to the good ppl around here again and establish that maybe I?m in bad shape & struggling a lil bit these days but still alive hehehe.

P.S. Uhmmm... Wondering if Backinthadays; according Elb's examples I've been a major VJC/F "wibblatron" or what??? ;)

[PilotX]

Originally posted by syzygy
Elbows and myself at least are offended by that. I'd be suprised if some of the others aren't as well.

i am also offended by this.. officials of a facist state are complicit in the actions of that state..you can't divide the state and it's officials in the way you seem to want to.. no matter how you rephrase your first post you are still calling all the hosts and editors facist..

personally i'm in favour of the albeit overly strong technical solution. i remember trying to read some of those threads where posts got deleted or changed beyond recognition.. I also remember wondering where certain threads had dissapeared to..

is there really no way to stop original posts being deleted like akira suggested? or is it an unstable hack?

[brain]

hot air and an incredibly dumb insult to the forums and the editors.

1) think before you write
2) preview before you post
3) write another post if you have to correct yourself

4) can we have more relevant discussions please

edited to say: fascists dont mess with your posts but with your life ;)

[littlecatalyst]

having just had to edit something i wrote 2 years ago (long story not worth getting into, suffice to say a typo got me in trouble on google...) i can most certainly say that there is no fascist here


not to mention fascism is really about finances, capital and economic policies... totalitarianism is what murk was prolly leaidng to.....

in fact it was cleared up (my problem) in less than an hour! i mean come on... there have been --in the past-- people who edit or delete threads... sure we all bemoan when kommy kills a thousand threads of his own design, but thats nothin...like everyone says.. you ougt not to have more than a limited amount of time to delete or edit a thread.... after that if there is a problem it aint that hard murk-- you've been around here for a while heh heh-- all u havta do is PM whoever is the moderator where that thread is and it will be cleaned up.

far from fascit dictators here i think its much more like enlightened cartakers and if you need some weeding-- just ask

[Anyone]

it could be worse,

he could have called us Bushist...

[Rovastar]

I don't understand why it has all kicked off here.

A simple post here to ask way sometyhing is happening is all it takes.

A link is broken say so here. We are more likely to read it anyway. We cannot check everything.

About the editing:

I properly change the settings in the forums more than most.

I don't do as much as I would like but I try and make the forums a decent place for everyone.

I don't get the problem here. I think for a very long time the editing post time has stayed the same at 30 minutes.

If you submit say a letter to the letters page of a newspaper/magazine and it is published. You cannot edit it and get all the editions recalled.

In recent times I changed the feature for when you delete the first post in a thread it deletes all of it. This I think was in place for all the user and only mods could delete this. Now no-one can delete the whole thread by deleting the first post.

Also if any mod has to edit your post it says who edited it and a timestamp.

:violin: :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil:

Originally posted by elbows
Its severely tempting to become a forum fascist for 24 hours so you can see what it would actually be like, but it would probably cause more harm than good.

Join the club it can be great fun.
:rolleyes: ;)

Originally posted by elbows

Maybe the person(s?) who made changes to editing settings wouldnt care about being called a fascist if it made them 10 million dollars, but all they likely got out of doing what they thought was the right thing, is poeple verbally abusing them.



Oh said anything about as much as 10 miilion. A pint down the pub will be enough. :cheers:

[asterix]

I personally think that disabling the edit post feature is great. Theres alot of people dribbling shit in this forum and it kinda makes them think twice before vomiting thier concoction of rhetorical crap onto the page (example - read what I just wrote)
You only get one chance when we talk - at least you got that minute or two in the forums!

[disassembler]

please don't disable the edit your post feature. I'm not structure sentence gooder. Mind moves faster than hands.

[akira_k]

Originally posted by disassembler
please don't disable the edit your post feature. I'm not structure sentence gooder. Mind moves faster than hands.

It's not disabled, it never was.
What I think got disabled is the ability to edit your post whenever the crap you want, be it in 1 minute, 30 or 3 months.

[kommy]

whats wrong with fascism?

[akira_k]

kommy is back ;

[neoteo]

please BAN me from the forums also , i dont want to be able to post ...

[jimmyogenic]

Originally posted by neoteo
please BAN me from the forums also , i dont want to be able to post ...

a few suggestions on not posting on vjf:

erm, use a little self control and delete the bookmark...

turn your pc or mac off

leave the room

go outside and get some fresh air

try and turn your obvious negative feelings about vjf into positive things ie use the emotion to create some new clips for playing out

posting saying "i don't want to post" is like saying oh i'll just have that last hit then i'll quit...

ffs its an internet forum, either you want to contribute or you don't.make your mind up and stick to it, but stop wingeing on about how you hate vjf and everything about it...

or contribute with ideas and thoughts in a positive way, try and be nice to people, understand differences in opinion, thoughts and language barriers and respect what other people say even if its against your view (remember its your view).

its a big bad craaaazy world out there, just don't get hung up and stewed out. life's too important to moan on about what some guy said in a differerent country.

or are you trying to get banned so that when people talk about vjf, you can say that you were banned by a bunch of facists that are narrow minded and love macs ;)

[neoteo]

Originally posted by jimmyogenic
a few suggestions on not posting on vjf:

erm, use a little self control and delete the bookmark...

turn your pc or mac off

leave the room

go outside and get some fresh air

try and turn your obvious negative feelings about vjf into positive things ie use the emotion to create some new clips for playing out

posting saying "i don't want to post" is like saying oh i'll just have that last hit then i'll quit...

ffs its an internet forum, either you want to contribute or you don't.make your mind up and stick to it, but stop wingeing on about how you hate vjf and everything about it...

or contribute with ideas and thoughts in a positive way, try and be nice to people, understand differences in opinion, thoughts and language barriers and respect what other people say even if its against your view (remember its your view).

its a big bad craaaazy world out there, just don't get hung up and stewed out. life's too important to moan on about what some guy said in a differerent country.

or are you trying to get banned so that when people talk about vjf, you can say that you were banned by a bunch of facists that are narrow minded and love macs ;)

i tryed all that , cant help it

i need to know i cant post , to stop posting ... im sure its not that hard to ban me from the forums ... you wont ear from me anymore after that .. so just do it ! ( nike )

i dont want to comtribute anymore , i gave the forum some months not posting , when i came back , some morons jump on me with joke pictures , one of them was a mod !!! ( akira ) .... so why should i contribute to a joke forum ... i have deleted my articles from vjcentral ... if i could i would delete my posts ..

BAN ME ONCE AND FOR ALL

email to igorcarlier@hotmail.com if you want to be sure its me posting this ...

its not becose of the moon or the stars position , i really dont want to come back here ever again.

[Rovastar]

Your wish is granted......

[cat]

Do we need a link to an internet addiction help site ath this point?
www.netaddiction.com
www.psychcentral.com/netaddiction/
www.soberrecovery.com/links/internetaddiction.html

Remember kids just say no, the internet is for losers

[therandelman]

Originally posted by eXhale (http://www.vjforums.com/showthread.php?threadid=11635&highlight=exhale)
My inner life was decaying indeed; my soul was dying. For years I didn't know how to do with others. I had forgotten how to be. A sense of sickness came to me every time that I needed to leave my safe little world and face creatures of flesh and bones ? which reminded me that, me too, I was made of flesh and bones. I didn't have any manual on how to ?utilize? the other. I only knew how to communicate with machines, following familiar procedures.

hm...maybe we do need those links, cat...
:tinfoil:

[akira_k]

I feel kind of sorry for neoteo, what a sad person...

[ZXSpectrum]

http://info.med.yale.edu/intmed/hummed/yjhm/spirit2004/sadness/cseidler-feller.htm

[dongbamage]

Originally posted by akira_k
I feel kind of sorry for neoteo, what a sad person...

who gives a fcuk is he gone? :jump2: :yep:

he got very boring very quickly and then just repeated himself for a year or so...

no hard feelings but bye...

[elbows]

ZXSpectrum I know that you are neoteo. Why do you pester us and demand to be banned if you are going to return with a different account?

Anyway I edited your post to remove the cut & paste of the full article, the link to it is quite enough as it is rather long.

[holly]

Originally posted by elbows
ZXSpectrum I know that you are neoteo.
Oh, but he's moved to Iraq.:rolleyes:

[ZXSpectrum]

Originally posted by elbows
ZXSpectrum I know that you are neoteo. Why do you pester us and demand to be banned if you are going to return with a different account?

Anyway I edited your post to remove the cut & paste of the full article, the link to it is quite enough as it is rather long.

if you have read the article before editing, you might have an idea why. Anyway thank you for editing it.

[sketchyj]

http://tinypic.com/i3schd.jpg

[akira_k]

Isn't this sort of shit prohibited? the guygets the ban and now returns with another account.

[disassembler]

http://www.novadevelopment.co.uk/images/products/pkw/morph.jpg

[videobrian]

http://www.iart3d.com/ENG/Products/Lenticular/Images/Cat-Dog-Morph.gif

[ZXSpectrum]

i want to clean bad energys , dont like what i did , passed a terrible depression and blow up on the forum , i think my problem with internet is that i always dreamed it was a perfect place. yes a kids dream.this days i come to internet to search for human caring.when it doesnt work the way i was expecting its like breaking the whole magic of using internet .
what i think my behaviur was is; pure naive childish broken dream.
i really would love some respect. i worked for it 2 years , call it spaming , but at least i had karma. i was weak and all the respect i felt was zero.
i think the thread starter should be able to delete the whole thread and also unlimited time to edit posts for all.
i wont be postin, just needed to say something more.

[holly]

wow, you actually put the thread back on topic! :)

I would prefer unlimited editing, but no deletes ever. The post shows when it was last edited. There is no way to sneak an edit without it being logged. People change their mind. People retract what they say. A forum should be dynamic, not archival.

[dansmachine]

Originally posted by holly
wow, you actually put the thread back on topic! :)

I would prefer unlimited editing, but no deletes ever. The post shows when it was last edited. There is no way to sneak an edit without it being logged. People change their mind. People retract what they say. A forum should be dynamic, not archival.

100% agreed.

[Rovastar]

Originally posted by holly
People change their mind. People retract what they say.

There is no problem with retracting what you say just post again with a retract statement.

If you take responability for what you post then this is not an issue.

Unlimited editing posts messes up the forums and makes them unreadable.

99% of forums work this way why should we be different.

[xiayu]

http://static.flickr.com/29/39635204_ce9ccfcdef_m.jpg

[sleepytom]

how does unlimmited editing mess up the forums?

i'd say that posts should remain editable forever but that threads should auto lock after six months.

i don't see what the argument against people being able to edit their posts is? and i aslo disgree the 99% of forums disallow editing - 99% of forums run on a defalt install which is to allow editing.

[dansmachine]

The administrator has specified that you can only edit messages for 30 minutes after you have posted. This limit has expired, so you must contact the administrator to make alterations on your message.

Damn! Too late again. Wanted to say I agreed for 99%.
Or take away the 'back ontopic' part.

Well, I guess I should have messed up the rest of the discussion by doing so...

:D

[pseiko]

Last month at the FinalCut Forum in Germany we had the problem that someone deleted all his posts in the forum. So a lot of threads were totally sensless then. The admin then also locked the edit function. Only the last post is now with edit function.
So I think, the last post or maybe the last two or three in a thread shouble be able edit. But not everything.
If someone changes his mind, he can post it. But someone who reads it will understand the thread. If the first post is edited, the second one maybe will have to do it also because he/she was reacting on the first one and so on.
My opinion: If you like this, use the chat.

[Pierre Carlier]

hello people , neoteo here

first i want to say , i have about 10 email acounts , and as everyone know , i can make as many as i want.that means i can make as many vjforums acounts as i want also.

i did ask to be banned from the forums , and im happy with it ...

but i didnt ask to be banned from the chat room ... so my question is

what have i done to be banned from the irc ?

i can also tell you , that i can arrange proxys , i know you banned my isp , so a proxy would fix that ... but whats the point ?

i can also make some evil bots and flood the irc chat room , or recruite 10 kids with nothing to do , and spam the forums ... if its war you want ...

the person that banned me from the irc , must have a reason

i would like to know , what is that reason ...

[Kyle]

Dude, the problem is your attitude. Change it! I dont mind you Pierre. I never had a problem with you but bringing threats or would be threats to the forums is senseless. If you have a problem talk with the admin. I am sure something can be worked out. Telling us that you can do this and that is garbage. I know how to make a bag full of shit and light it on fire in front of someones door, then ring the doorbell and run, but whats the point?...whooopie doo Use your intelligence to make the world a better place.

[Pierre Carlier]

true , but this time was the irc admin that did the dirt bag of fire in front of my door , why ban me from irc ? i use to go there very rarely , had good talk with people inside , never had a single flame in chat room , why ban me ?

i have an atitute , but in my point of view , im the victim not the agressor. i banned my selfe from the forums , cose people make fun of me becose i said my friend was a dj , call me chilldish , what ever . that was what hapand . and now ban me from irc , just becose nothing .

i might do those things i said i would do someday , just for fun . you can bet.

[KillingFrenzy]

http://nla.gov.au/nla.pic-an24219358-gd300

[Pierre Carlier]

thats it , you are dead !

edit to say : you wish , im not going to waste time on this forum , please stop posting if it wasnt you that banned me from irc channel ...

ok , post all you want , you have nothing better to do then make fun of me anyway , enjoy

[robotfunk]

After you were banned one of the bots still gave you auto ops. I felt this was wrong and contacted the person running that bot to change it. While i didnt explicitly ask to add a ban as well, I think its pretty sensible that a ban should extend to vjforum's chat space as well.

Please come with all your bots and your scripts to wreck the IRC channel. That way we have a better reason for banning you than just your request. We might even obtain some hard evidence that we could forward to the authorities.

[pseiko]

He Neo, why don't you start your own forum with your rules? There the others can be the bad guys. And you can make it be edited like you want. You can post what you want. Do it, be happy. Use your energy for positiv things. And please stop these childish things here.

[Pierre Carlier]

After you were banned one of the bots still gave you auto ops. I felt this was wrong and contacted the person running that bot to change it. While i didnt explicitly ask to add a ban as well, I think its pretty sensible that a ban should extend to vjforum's chat space as well.

Please come with all your bots and your scripts to wreck the IRC channel. That way we have a better reason for banning you than just your request. We might even obtain some hard evidence that we could forward to the authorities.

i know this is your wish , cose your life is empty with boredom

GET A LIFE !

[unjulation]

i've kept out of a lot of forum talk of late but it would seem prety obvious that if an indervidual asks to be band from the site then that would extend to all areas of the forum inckludeuing chat if you neoto have a problem with that then dont asked to be band and dont be a ..................mupet(need a new smiliey for mupet)

[Pierre Carlier]

thats becose you are square minds , what does forum have to do with live chat room ?

most of the crap people that post here dont go to chat room ... anyway , never mind . robofunck clear it out .

hasta

[unjulation]

this is realy of the top of me head without any input but my own twisted reality but............................................... .

if you ask to be removed from the forum space dictates that you dont want anything to do with the space as a whole - i could be wrong but ither you are part of it and you get a slaging when you say something stupid and deal with it

or

you ask to be removed, then come back with a diferant name and try and continue as before?

your choice i serpose

[Pierre Carlier]

thats retarded man

continue as before ?

i said i was neoteo ! its me !!! impossible to continue as before

my reputation is totaly lost here , i dont want to post here as another person , that would be even more sic ...
what is true is that i enjoyed going sometimes to chat room ... share some links , talk to people there ,but some bored ass , decide to add some lines to the bot , so now i cant go .. too bad.
i officialy hate this forum , reason : most people that post here are dumb.
i respect few people here , since they cant protect me. cant have me .

this is the worth online comunity i have participated . the theme is one of the best , but people are stupid . ignorant , mac users , dont have a life.

my advise is : take more drugs !!

[unjulation]

aye its a hard life and then you die - but what can you do apart from try and not be a plonker

edited to say yep it is a worth - while forum lol - sorry couldnt risist the word play

[VJOZ]

Oh. Hi. Neoteo.

Welcome back mate.

So, we feel your hurt & pain. :poke:

Not sure how to get this through to you. Obviously banning isn't going to relieve the need, void the noid.

What's on yer mind? What's missing fella?

OZ

(PS: I don't check in here often. But yer posts are awful. I'll check in, see how yer doing. Give ya a lift.)

[KillingFrenzy]

Hey really,

I know Murk, and he's already sick to death of the hubbub his stupid fascist remark started.
Can we close this thread?

A) It is completely off topic.
B) The original poster is so stigmatized he's not participating in the thread.
C) It ain't going anywhere useful.
D) Lot's more positive and interesting things going on with the new site design, etc. Shame to let this bog it down.

[holly]

Hey really,
Can we close this thread?

SECOND! Please shoot the thing and put it out of misery.

[RayV]

SECOND! Please shoot the thing and put it out of misery.

I guess u can't take Texas out of a girl ;)