why dont we........

[unjulation]

so why dont we have conversations like this space? http://forums.torrentspy.com/forumdisplay.php?f=48
not that i dont like wareing a tin foil hat from time to time but even i need to be streched, lol

[alangeering]

there is nothing to stop such discussions, but the board does have a video focus and as such it might be wrong to have more posts about random topics than anything to do with art/vj/video

I don't mind having the odd non-video debate, just so long as when someone comes needing help for video as long as they don't:
a) feel unwanted due to having different views to those expressed by people in random debates
b) have loads of random mess come up when they search for video related things.

In the end we exist to promote VJ (in all its forms) and educate/support/help the community that's grown.

[holly]

there are no serious debates here.

[vjrei]

Holly: do you wanna talk about "Hitler" or why the "Candian hates the Americans"?:alien:

Actually, we could start asking...

Why the people of the United States call temselves "Americans". Because Venezuela is America too and we call ourselves "Venezuelans" even we are Americans as well like the Colombians and Argentinians and... Canadians.

You have no clue how upset people from the center and south feels when the US say "this is America", we all say "No, that is United States who thinks that way".

Any way, can some one from the US explain me whey you call your selve "America" and "Americans" owning the entire title?:rolleyes:

[kallisti]

cause calling ourselves the united statesians is a mouthful.

[neoteo]

IMO

usualy no one finds what THEY want in old threads , people normaly start a new thread and get their replys there , so the searching part .. skip

its ridiculus not leting people discuss what ever they want

if mods find some threads really usefull , make a zone in vjcentral for article kind of posts.
so they wont get lost

FREE THE FORUMS !

[unjulation]

there are no serious debates here.
lol, i know, there were 2 points that struck me about this -

firstly we call ourselves "enlitend" beings and all we do is chat tin foil theroy whare hear is a torrent forum ie - a bunch of pirets and they are chating some prety hevy stuf

secondley - i luv going round in circles with this kinda shit and yes i could chat over there but i want to talk to the peeps that i like talking to and know (now theres some lower brain responce)

what realy struck me was hear was a space that understood whare it came from and what it was, but then asked the next few questions that would then follow on from that (understood the market?)

[unjulation]

neo - i was chating about this the other day, and it seems to be a time based thing whare things are discused be "x, y, and z" at such and such a date which then dictaes that they have "crosed that bridge" as it were, so those inderviduals feel/think that they dont need to go over that ground again - hence the serch concept

[vjrei]

Originally posted by kallisti
cause calling ourselves the united statesians is a mouthful.

Well... so, am I an american too? and if the president of the United States alegue anything about the Americans, does that include me?

I mean, what a ego (from the government).

You can call yourselves "gringos" better, that is what everybody does in south and central america.:alien:

[holly]

oh joy. a "serious" conversation about having a "serious" conversation. Does the navel-gazing get any worse than this?
:rolleyes:

Rei, when I say I'm "American" I refer to a people of mixed breeds: European, Asian, African, Native Americans, Hebrew, et al that were likely born here and who's genetic lineage is so mixed as to become irrelivant -- and yet dominant. My generation grew up with this idea of the Great American Melting Pot? (http://www.school-house-rock.com/Grea.html) where interracialism and interculteralism were actually GOOD things, and yeah it was just propaganda from a liberal era, and no doubt I misinterpreted it's message ("when we said multicultural we meant that we'd have a Mexican retaurant in the neighborhood and cheap Chinese cleaners...") to reflect me and my own mixed-race family.
http://www.school-house-rock.com/images/meltingp.jpg

We grew up with this idea of "american mutt" and it was something to be proud of.... It was supposedly what won WW2 (we were told) and would eventually prove us better than everyone else, economicly and socially, because America (ie THE AMERICA aka United States) is a microcosm of the whole world coming together.... But of course that was just me being a naive child and those liberal ideals are long gone if they ever really existed at all....

When I say "I'm American" I do NOT refer to some arbitrary political border that was drawn just because yet another Euronation wanted to go to war and funded it by selling land they never owned in the first place, which is what "United States" means. Not to mention the fact that only 3 generations ago my family was fighting the Last War of the Apache against both the US and Mexico and trying not to get genocided along with the rest of the the pacifist natives. Rather than be forced onto a concentration camp -- OOPS i mean indian reservation, my grandparents asymilated....

Which, btw, it has equally always struck me as ironic that a blue-eyed blond-haired person would be so adamant about calling himself "Venezuelan" because you don't look much like those jungle/mountain people with the donkey and the hat I see in trite exotica-films....

This rhetoric sounds like those Palistinians who don't really want to figure out their own country, but they're so damned pissed there's an Isreal and that's really what they want to bitch about. Guess what? When Venezuela is the dominant society you get to call yourself whatever you please, "American" or Argentinian" or "Martian", as you wish. Until that time do not presume to tell everyone else what to do since you obviously have no authority to tell anyone to do anything. Life is what it is. If you are unhappy about something start with changing yourself (perhaps start calling yourself "American" and see if anyone cares). You won't get anywhere trying change others first.

(obligatory smilies to show this is all oh-so-tongue-in-cheek:
:idea: :cheers: :poke: :pint: :Smoking: :lick: etc)

[syzygy]

Originally posted by neoteo

its ridiculus not leting people discuss what ever they want

What I find ridiculous is the idea that some people have that coming to VJForums gives them the right to use its resources to discuss whatever crap they like.

VJForums costs money and time to run. The people who put that money and time in do it so that we have a place to discuss VJ related topics, not so that there can be yet another online forum full of random bullshit.

I've got no problem with a certain amount of offtopicness but the signal to noise ratio has to stay above a certain level or VJF will loses some of its value as a resource

Originally posted by neoteo

FREE THE FORUMS !


Free them in what way?

Should I walk into a library and 'free' it by talking loudly about the things I am interested in?


I was going to put smileys on the end of this but I'm not going to because I get genuinely annoyed by the way people assume that because something is online and free, they have the right to use it however they like, without having any respect for the effort and expense of keeping it running.

[neoteo]

General Chat

Talk about any non-VJ subjects here. Get to know each other, make friends :)

take this out of forums ,or make a more especific explanation what genaral chat is for.

[karl]

Originally posted by holly
We grew up with this idea of "american mutt" and it was something to be proud of.... It was supposedly what won WW2 (we were told) and would eventually prove us better than everyone else, economicly and socially, because America (ie THE AMERICA aka United States) is a microcosm of the whole world coming together.... But of course that was just me being a naive child and those liberal ideals are long gone if they ever really existed at all....

I might be a naive child of those liberal ideas but i still think that's what made/makes USA (and soon america as a whole?) great, flexible and dynamic.

Eurasia is caught up in old dellusions and Africa is a mess, the mutt wins again.

But offtopic bullshit aside, this is general chat so we out to get to know eachother as neuteu says and lets descuss making homemade napalm for the gay marriage between canada hating loonies and blond wetbacks.

[syzygy]

Originally posted by neoteo
General Chat

Talk about any non-VJ subjects here. Get to know each other, make friends :)

take this out of forums ,or make a more especific explanation what genaral chat is for.

Like I said, I've got no problem with a certain amount of offtopicness. The general chat forum is important because it keeps the offtopic stuff in one place.

If the general chat forum ever gets more busy than the VJ related forums then that would be bad for VJF.

I'm certainly not going to encourage more non-VJ debates like those in the link. Just check out the stickies at the top of the link for some idea of the problems that the debate forum has caused for that site.

[holly]

Syz is right. Signal2noise ratio is an issue here. We have plenty of debates about all kinds of crazy shit all the time (altho 90% could probably be contributed to 10% of the regular members).

Cheers to Sketchy, after getting flack for saying too much turns around and does a series of vids.... I wish some of these wacko and venting debates could be done visually. It would be great.

[unjulation]

shhheeeessssshhhhhh............................twa s just a thought :rolleyes: that passes over the synapses but hay ;)