go and reproduce! .. bot!?

[lowRes]

here's a little quote from the article::
"It has long been held that self-replication is one of the fundamental processes separating the living from the nonliving. To watch a robot make it happen is a bit spooky. "

:read this: (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,67493,00.html)
don?t forget to watch the video!


njoy!

r_x
* )

[VGA]

Reminds me of the Rubiks Snake.
It'll be cool when they can build copies of themselves using whatevers to hand, breaking it down to raw materials and building copies molecule by molecule...

:scared:

[DrEskaton]

I, for one, welcome our new self replicating robot overlords.

<obligatory>

[holly]

Anyone who can be replaced by a bot probably should be.
:rolleyes:

[VGA]

Originally posted by holly
Anyone who can be replaced by a bot probably should be.
:rolleyes:

I agree, for example bots could replace immigrants in slaughter houses across the usa, children working in sweatshops in Haiti, workers on oil rigs, the list is endless.

Sadly no-one seems to be working on a bot that can replace call center staff.

[holly]

The only bot I'd fully support is a pregnancy bot. That would be great! I could have a couple of puppies in the oven and still go on tour. All other labor really should be done by immigrant labor looking to better themselves and earn higher wages for their families. That's what my grandparents did.... The idea of bots doing all the labor is kind of gross because it would allow the wealthy to live completely without responsibility, shutting out underclasses and the poor from their sterile ivory towers. Pregnancy is the only service-of-labor that I would find using immigrant labor repugnant. It's too much.

As for the sexbot, I have so many conflicted feelings about that. It would be fascinating to watch it evolve along with the trends (like internet porn goes in trends, currently a female muscle fetish seems pretty hot). Plus all the accessories and plugins. It would be endless. Of course this is one area where I'd prefer live prostitutes earning good money on some guy's fantasy (specialized) than a company offering generic products (mass-produced lowest-denomenator).

http://www.wetcircuit.com/VJf/arob1.jpg

[VGA]

Originally posted by holly
The only bot I'd fully support is a pregnancy bot. That would be great! I could have a couple of puppies in the oven and still go on tour.


If thats your feeling, then I'll happily have your womb transplanted into me.
Why can't you go on tour pregnant?
I can't imagine what your live act involves that would damage an unborn child.
Or do you mean you'd like a pregnancy bot so you can do lots of drugs and not worry about it


All other labor really should be done by immigrant labor looking to better themselves and earn higher wages for their families. That's what my grandparents did.... The idea of bots doing all the labor is kind of gross because it would allow the wealthy to live completely without responsibility, shutting out underclasses and the poor from their sterile ivory towers. Pregnancy is the only service-of-labor that I would find using immigrant labor repugnant. It's too much.


Have you ever done any of this kind of labour yourself?
Heres an example of the great money spinning jobs they land up with here in the UK

BBC Report : Morecombe Bay Immigrant Deaths (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/lancashire/3464203.stm)

Also by this you are also implying all immigrants are unskilled, which is a terrible blanket statement to make.

Yeah, immigrant labour, some of them earn as much as ?2 an hour in this country!

And the wealthy already shut the rest of the population out from earning decent wages years ago.

?4.85 an hour minimum wage in the UK.


As for the sexbot, I have so many conflicted feelings about that. It would be fascinating to watch it evolve along with the trends (like internet porn goes in trends, currently a female muscle fetish seems pretty hot). Plus all the accessories and plugins. It would be endless. Of course this is one area where I'd prefer live prostitutes earning good money on some guy's fantasy (specialized) than a company offering generic products (mass-produced lowest-denomenator).


Live prositutes? Yeah we've got lots of Lithuanian immigrant prossies here, ship 'em in at 14, ship back out at 19-20 when they've got a good smack problem a few STDs and been beaten up too near death a few times.

nice.

[neoteo]

about learning software .. if we take a deep look into auto update programs like antispyware , where the database of virus is real time updated while people are geting infected and sending information to the main server then sending back to all others pcs with that soft becoming secure to the virus other poeple got ... this can be considered a form of artificial inteligence.

the more poeple are infected the more " smart " the soft becomes.

[dongbamage]

Well I wanna real life mech!

http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/images/LW3.jpg

http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/images/lw4.jpg

some vids too :D (http://www.sakakibara-kikai.co.jp/products/other/LW.htm)

Hur hur crazy robot action!

[holly]

Oh, please. You have no idea what kind of jobs I've had, from (as a kid) scrubbing toilets in churches and clearing out burnout rental properties, to being a stripper at ShowWorld and a fulltime dominatrix... and yet I managed not to be shipped to Latvia with needles in my arms. None of which is any of your fuckin bizness so why the personal attacks, dude? Dramatise much? Have YOU had one of these prostitution gigs? You seem like such an expert. Dude, name your worst job and I guarantee I can top it. No one swings bigger dick than me.

There is undoubtedly SOME exploitation (especially in the newspapers), but the reality is that if I am a doctor at home earning 30 rubies or a cabdriver in NY earning $30,000, and I am building a better life for my family that is what is important. Maybe in your UNIverse we should close the borders and invest in robots and halt ALL upward mobility (sort of like Switzerland). In fact let's prevent the immigrants and their children from ever becoming citizens (exactly like Switzerland) and ban any foriegn sounding names from birthcertificates (like Sweden).... Protect the fatherland. Yes, that would be more socialistic, eh? And while we're at it, let's all be locked into our second grade test scores the rest of our lives. No one embraces racism like the Euros.
:rolleyes:

If I could transfer a womb it would go to my husband. I'd keep him knocked up all the time (well, ok, twice). We want kids but I'm SO not about getting pregnant. Ever. It would be great if humans were like seahorses and the guy gave birth.... As for touring while preggers, riiight. You're gonna hang projectors and climb lighting trees and work in smokey clubs and eat fried takeout with MY baby in your belly? Uh, uh. My babydaddy better treat my spurt better than that.

[holly]

Originally posted by dongbamage
Well I wanna real life mech!

Hur hur crazy robot action!

:confused: Well..., that's cute but I think there should be some sort of sex or babymakin going on..., hence the name of this thread.... :P

(but yeah, that's a hell of a lot more fun than a wombbot.)
:D

[VGA]

holly,

I'm not making any personal attacks, I was attacking your idea ex-utero births for convieniences sake, which I think is an appalling idea.
Perhaps as a male who is never going to have the option of doing something as amazing as giving birth I am not qualified to have such an opinion. Maybe I have a case of "womb envy", and if you found the offer of transplanting your womb into my own body was outrageous or offensive, well :rolleyes:
As for the bit about taking lots of drugs, that was entirely uncalled for and I apologise.

I'm also not getting into a "whose done the worst job debate here" because theres thousands of people out there right now doing worse than both of us could ever imagine, which makes me angry when you say that you'd rather have people (any people, immigrants or not) doing the dangerous and demeaning jobs that bots could do.

I thought the whole point of the last couple of thousand years of progress has been to liberate man from the fields, and so what if automation means the first people to benefit are those at the top of the pyramid.
I have faith in humanity and have noticed that the general trend is that luxuries and increased leisure time filter down the ladder over time, indeed I am enjoying a nice cup of tea and a chocolate biscuit whilst I am typing this tedious response.

And I'm all for immigration.
Immigration creates diversity, without which society would stagnate (...blah blah blah).
Perhaps here I should make a definition between legal immigration, which delivers skilled migrants who can then be assimilated into society to employ these skills to generate wealth, which they may or may not choose to export back to their countries of origin, and illegal immigrants, who 99% of the time are forced to take such low earning jobs that the likelihood of them being able to send money back home is extremely low.
Over a generation or two these illegal immigrants may well gain citizenship, but by this time the people they were trying to support are long since dead.

Therefore I resent your statements :

"All other labor really should be done by immigrant labor looking to better themselves and earn higher wages for their families"

which was followed by :

"the reality is that if I am a doctor at home earning 30 rubies or a cabdriver in NY earning $30,000, and I am building a better life for my family that is what is important"

So all immigrants (legal or not) make $30,000US a year?
I'm on the next plane.
On the flipside of this, the UK is currently leeching so many doctors and nurses from places like Nigeria that their own healthcare systems are in crisis. What good is it if a Nigerian nurse makes ?20,000 over here in the UK only for people to die from a lack of decent healthcare in their own country.

Maybe in the future, we'll be able to replace them with robot nurses.

All europeans are not racists, though feel free to make sweeping generalisations, and I don't climb ladders or lighting rigs in smokey clubs, either the people I hire kit off do that for me (maybe they are immigrants!), or I tell a lacky to do it.
You said you were a dominatrix but it doesn't sound like you use the skills for much :poke:

And finally, I was actually agreeing to your first post, all people who could be replaced by bots, should, thus pushing everyone one more rung up to the ladder.

Well in my universe its time for bed, as I have a low-paid job to go to tomorrow.

[holly]

;) a dominatrix is strong and independant. When I want something done right I can compitantly do it myself.... You're thinking of maybe a Princess who is a delicate foot-stomping ballerina that needs a man to carry things for her (or hang projectors) or will throw a tantrum. That ain't me.

Well, I fundamentally question that there is an automatic trickle-down of luxury to the lowest classes (and we are both juggling poor and immigrant which are not necessarily interchangable except in broad sweeping generalizations). I think imigrant cabdrivers in NY makes somewhere in the range of $30,000 -- but that's actually one of the jobs I've never done. :P

It is estimated that 50% of the people living in NYC are foreign born. Fully half. Legal or not, most in the process of GAINING citizenship in the US (unlike Switzerland, you don't wait 2 generations to be eligable here, so your relatives are NOT dead and there is a very strong chance that once you have citizenship -- takes years, not lifetimes -- you can bring your family over), so I'm a big supporter of imigration.... But I'm decended from nomads so maybe I have a more fluid sense of traveling for opportunity. My grandparents were migrant farmworkers... and they weren't even immigrants -- they're natives! Europe has a history of exterminating nomads. Nothing personal (and I realize that UK does not consider itself Euro), but there is a fundamental hostility towards nomadic tribes on that side of the pond.

I don't think there's anything wrong with farming... or sexworking. I have more respect for my farmer stepdad than the executives at Enron! Pyramid builders have no care for the bottom bricks.... Living closer to the land/street has the possibility of making you more aware of the people who move across the land looking for work and opportunity. Saying you'd only allow Doctors and engineers to immigrate is CLASSist and it's also RACIST, because it's the same as saying "If we must have Irish coming over fer Christ's sake let's not have the poor Irish too!"
:eek:
Despite the GBush scare-rhetoric, the US economy relies on a constant influx of illegal immigration. It's a KKKapitalist cheat, but it is factored in economicly (that's what Presidente Fox got in trouble for announcing: the specific economic numbers and saying it's a good thing to send $$$ home).... It works for an individual if there is a chance you can actually reap the benefits in your lifetime. Maybe you don't get so bitchslapped and hooked on junk if you think there is hope. Use your body, use your brains, get ahead -- that's Kapitalism.... Go to Uni, get tested, be peg in govt assigned hole rest of live -- that's Socialism.... This is getting off topic. I don't wanna talk immigration, I wanna talk 'bots.

So the question is: What's better, lease-to-own a Sexbot350i made by Mercedez? Or having a Russian hooker with a dirty mind? Come to think of it, pornstars are becoming more and more bot-ish..., well, cyborg-ish at least.

http://www.wetcircuit.com/VJf/arob15a.jpg

[Stuart]

I have faith in humanity

that's a big misstake. People suck.

Europe has a history of exterminating nomads

we've done more than our fair share of that over here only we called it something pretty like 'manifest destiny'.

human beings are tribal creatures. It is in our very nature to be intolerant of the 'other'. This manifests itself in every corner of the human experience whether it be racism, imperialism, nationalism, school spirit or cheering for your local sports team (more than likely made up of folks not from your locale).

back on topic, sort of. Vast commercial/industrial productivity gains, some of which have been realized via robotic automation, have failed to make good on the promise of more wealth and leisure for more people. Quite the contrary.

[holly]

Originally posted by Stuart
we've done more than our fair share of that over here only we called it something pretty like 'manifest destiny'.
Sorry, that was the European invaders.

There were wars here pre-columbus, to be sure. Even deathsports and ritual sacrifices of the enemy -- however, there was never (to my knowledge) an institutionalized mass-genocide coordinated by science and govt to exterminate an entire race....

Giving blankets infected with fleas bearing the plague, deliberately driving the buffalo to extinction because Natives relied on them.... These weren't plots hatched by Americans -- it was Europeans. It wasn't even warfare. It was the same intolerance/defect that created gas chambers and sterilization camps and then justified it with whatever religious or supieor genetic excuse. Ick.

I'm dropping this thread since I've hijacked and ruined it.:sad:

[djnada]

http://www.homepage.mac.com/globalrocks/robot.jpg Holly, we like you as a human. Dig this pic from Fritz Lang's classic flic Metropolis