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12th November 2002, 01:43 PM
Hi i hope that somone can help me. :confused:
Im a video editor and digital compositor doing SFX for tv and movies.
Im using avid for editing and Flame (on SGI) as a special effects software. which is very pro and complicated.
I would like to know which is the best software for someone with my skills in order to become a VJ. (I mean is there a good software that have multilayers and good effects?)
I'll be a newbie as a vj but i believe that i can learn it realy quickly based on my experience.
If you can advise me for the best on both Mac and PC
12th November 2002, 02:17 PM
If you're used to working with flame, any effects on VJ apps might seem a bit mickey mouse!?
12th November 2002, 02:27 PM
Yes , i thaught about it but still, what is the best pro software i can start learning and enjoy
I realy thinking of entering this field too and become a vj.
i like music and especialy trance :)
12th November 2002, 02:46 PM
you should read the reviews on VJ Central. This might be a good start at all. Another location would be AudioVisualizer as well.
There you will find the most common vj-soft.
It?s always a matter of what you like to do.
12th November 2002, 03:13 PM
Visual Jockey is more like a visual programming language than a editing/cutting/special FX program ... but most people are moaning around (;) ) its to complicate for beginners - so perhabs its the right for you. :p
Its also VERY good for making trancy stuff. (Originaly from programmers are commin from demo scene...)
You can still prerender your stuff in your pro softs and then give it the last touch in Vjo.
Would be nice to hear your opinion about it.
Other tools i don`t know personally, but for Mac there is still Nato/MAX.
Any other suggestions?
12th November 2002, 03:53 PM
Try VJamm 2 Pro (www.vjammpro.com) too, it is more video-oriented than VisualJockey.
12th November 2002, 04:17 PM
Thx for your reply pl :)
Ill check them both and let you know
12th November 2002, 06:14 PM
don't forget Flowmotion, it's so exciting and experimental
check it at : www.robotfunk.com
13th November 2002, 08:35 AM
dude, stick with what your using man!! I'd do anything to get my hands on a flame even if it was for a day. DISCREET ROCKS!!
13th November 2002, 09:46 AM
I suspect that you are in for a bit of a culture shock! My guess is that you are going to find ALL the available stuff a tad clumsy, and that's before you see the "average" output quality compared with what you are used to. All the apps I've tried (most of the ones available on demo + VDMX are, to say the least, in need of some serious de-bugging and sorting out in terms of usability. Thankfully I use mostly Flash based stuff, so my app is incapable of crashing (as it is simply another flash movie) and my Sony Vaio has never crashed, but when you shell out ?250-?300 on a vj app and it is less than reliable, it beggars belief. One major factor seems to be that these packages are still in their infancy, and are often developed for the love of it (and the necessity), my belief is that the developers sell too early, and would be better advised to keep it shareware until all the bugs are reported back and sorted. Don't get me wrong, I reall admire the folks doing all this work, and we'd be shafted without it, "Resolume" will, I'm sure, be a truly great bit of software one day, but it ain't there yet, so I'm not stumping up any wonga for it yet! Lets face it, a crash in the office/studio is annoying, a crash on stage is a REAL problem, requiring all of us to have a backup tape running, just in case!
13th November 2002, 11:16 AM
Gawd NOT ANOTHER software recommendation thread where everyone trundles out their personal fav for approval. Bah I'm getting pretty sick of the circlar nature of these threads..... read the damn reviews on both sites, download and try the demos, maybe look into chat and ask a few ppls opinions on there..... will be FAR more use to you than another pointless thread for everyone to once again URGE the newbie to use THEIR fav software
All this after I have had to just say the SAME thing on a hardware mixer thread. Damn this is getting old.
13th November 2002, 11:53 AM
LOL @ Morph
You are damn right!
13th November 2002, 11:58 AM
Nice see others agree.... even if it is a classic offender :p just like I have been in the past....
13th November 2002, 12:30 PM
if you are in that realm, then I suggest Touch. MSRP $2,000 USD But we have a special for $1,200 at the moment.
13th November 2002, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by MoRpH
Gawd NOT ANOTHER software recommendation thread where everyone trundles out their personal fav for approval. Bah I'm getting pretty sick of the circlar nature of these threads..... read the damn reviews on both sites, download and try the demos, maybe look into chat and ask a few ppls opinions on there..... will be FAR more use to you than another pointless thread for everyone to once again URGE the newbie to use THEIR fav software.Such questions will always be asked since people want personal recommendations but I thought this one was pretty interesting, because of the different background. As long as we remind people to check the reviews, I don't see what's wrong with giving personal advices. :confused:
13th November 2002, 05:41 PM
Indeed any forum will have repeat questions over time. Theres not an infinite amount of subjects to discuss, so unless you want an empty dead messageboard I see no reason to moan when things get repeated. Hardly friendly is it? What harm to threads like this do? If the whole board was overloaded withthem then I could see a problem, but as is it just seems like moaning for the sake of it to me.
13th November 2002, 06:26 PM
Yeah this one is slightly different and in this case I would prolly say the same thing as Dave, my point is that most ppl prolly won't put that first and simply use it as another excuse to tout their fav app... (which was the way I read ESPECIALLY the flowmotion post from Komart).
Nothing wrong with looking @ the facts and making an honest open recommendation..... EVERYTHING wrong with recycled threads where everyone once again just posts links to THEIR fav app, with bugger all consideration to what is actually needed (BTW this thread was one of the better ones, I was just pointing this fact out here as it is relevant).
As for friendly elbows, I think it would be pretty obvious to highdude that what I'm saying isn't directed @ him and that if ppl listen it will actually improve the quality of the responses they will get.
13th November 2002, 06:38 PM
OK fair enuf :)
13th November 2002, 07:06 PM
i'm with MoRpH on this one. sometimes nu ppl round here just don't read the stuff we wrote @vjc meant helping them for starters , kinda frustrating sometimes....
and i promise, next time i spend hours on a chat helping somebody getting started and being asked for cracks in return, i'm gonna take off his head. :grrr:
14th November 2002, 03:21 AM
Yo ppl, thanx for all the replies.
In honest when i read the first thread of morph i was a bit dissapointed but after reading all i understand completely what morph was talking about so its not a problem.
I've checked the visaualjockey one and its look nice. Its has its process tree structure. the trick behind that is that once you understand the structure and what does process trees are in software than you can start and play :D: .
Im still looking at it but i wanna thank to all of you cause now i know what to look for and what im getting into :nod:
I think that the best thing is to have a very large collection of clips, loops , materials, effects etc.. to start and once you have that you can start playing and enjoy
Thanks a gain
20th November 2002, 03:20 PM
I'm just learning the Pro Stuff like Avid/Flint SHake 3dsmax etc.
at SAE College and at the same time beginning to vj.
Although I do this high quality stuff, I like dirty 120x80 Pixel upscales and bad wiring effects. I don't expect a vj performance in a big rundown hall full of smoke to have cinema quality.
I just bought a Videonics MX1 and Flowmotion and create content
with 3dsmax and After Effects.
I like the Layer Layout of Flowmotion and I think it's good to handle if you know editing software like After Effects. It really has many possibilities, I did a full hour with only 4 Loops without getting bored or too repititive.
PS: I'm using Winamps AVS, too. With my own presets and classics from others like el-vis and I think it looks exactly like Visualjockey. Don't flame me on this, I haven't tried it.
20th November 2002, 03:51 PM
but you can`t just say "looks like Vjo", because Vjo itself "has" no look.
(Looks like after effects.....)
Beside Avi/Picture Loader and generators there are more than 100 effect plugins.
You can do everything from war footage to pink bunny stuff with it.
You can make cool stuff with AVS. Its just that Vjo got 5 times more effects and runs 3 times faster than AVS :cool:
20th November 2002, 04:00 PM
learn after effects inside out and max ,add premier and photoshop there and you got it.
21st November 2002, 11:48 AM
It's just a good, solid VJ tool to have. Sure there are many other VJ tools I use as well (Arkaos, Moonster, Virtual Dub, Vegas, Flash, 3DSMax), but vJo is a great "Swiss Army Knife". It easy to start using, but takes a long time to master (I think I use about 1 to 2 percent of the capabilities). I mean there are 6 different blur effects, that are very tweakable (gaussian, 2 radials, lionel, h/v, Time, fast-h, motion) oh, wait that's 8... I guess don't even use all the blurs. The next version will be killer...
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